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McCarthyism: The Rosetta Stone Of Liberal Lies (Ann Coulter Upsets Liberals Again Alert)
Ann Coulter.com ^ | 11/07/2007 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 11/07/2007 3:22:31 PM PST by goldstategop

When I wrote a ferocious defense of Sen. Joe McCarthy in "Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism," liberals chose not to argue with me. Instead they posted a scrolling series of reasons not to read my book, such as that I wear short skirts, date boys, and that "Treason" was not a scholarly tome.

After printing rabidly venomous accounts of McCarthy for half a century based on zero research, liberals would only accept research presenting an alternative view of McCarthy that included, as the Los Angeles Times put it, at least the "pretense of scholarly throat-clearing and objectivity."

This week, they got it. The great M. Stanton Evans has finally released "Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies." Based on a lifetime's work, including nearly a decade of thoroughgoing research, stores of original research and never-before-seen government files, this 672-page book ends the argument on Joe McCarthy. Look for it hidden behind stacks of Bill Clinton's latest self-serving book at a bookstore near you.

Evans' book is such a tour de force that liberals are already preparing a "yesterday's news" defense -- as if they had long ago admitted the truth about McCarthy. Yes, and they fought shoulder to shoulder with Ronald Reagan to bring down the Evil Empire. Thus, Publishers Weekly preposterously claims that "the history Evans relates is already largely known, if not fully accepted." Somebody better tell George Clooney.

The McCarthy period is the Rosetta stone of all liberal lies. It is the textbook on how they rewrite history -- the sound chamber of liberal denunciations, their phony victimhood as they demean and oppress their enemies, their false imputation of dishonesty to their opponents, their legalization of every policy dispute, their ability to engage in lock-step shouting campaigns, and the black motives concealed by their endless cacophony.

The true story of Joe McCarthy, told in meticulous, irrefutable detail in "Blacklisted by History," is that from 1938 to 1946, the Democratic Party acquiesced in a monstrous conspiracy being run through the State Department, the military establishment, and even the White House to advance the Soviet cause within the U.S. government.

In the face of the Democrats' absolute refusal to admit to their fecklessness, fatuity and recklessness in allowing known Soviet spies to penetrate the deepest levels of government, McCarthy demanded an accounting.

Even if one concedes to on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand whiners like Ronald Radosh that Truman's Secretary of State Dean Acheson didn't like Communism, his record is what it was. And that record was to treat Soviet spies like members of the Hasty Pudding Club.

Rather than own up to their moral blindness to Soviet espionage, Democrats fired up the liberal slander machine, which would be deployed again and again over the next half century to the present day. In hiding their own perfidy, liberals were guilty of every sin they lyingly imputed to McCarthy. There were no "McCarthyites" until liberals came along.

"Blacklisted by History" proves that every conventional belief about McCarthy is wrong, including:

-- That he lied about his war service: He was a tailgunner in World War II; -- That he was a drunk: He would generally nurse a single drink all night; -- That he made the whole thing up: He produced loads of Soviet spies in government jobs; -- That he just did it for political gain: He understood perfectly the godless evil of Communism.

Ironically, for all of their love of conspiracy theories -- the rigging of the 2000 election, vote suppression in Ohio in 2004, 9/11 being an inside job, oil companies covering up miracle technology that would allow cars to run on dirt, Britney Spears' career, etc., etc. -- when presented with an actual conspiracy of Soviet spies infiltrating the U.S. government, they laughed it off like world-weary skeptics and dedicated themselves to slandering Joe McCarthy.

Then as now, liberals protect themselves from detection with wild calumnies against anybody who opposes them. They have no interest in -- or aptitude for -- persuasion. Their goal is to anathematize their enemies. "Blacklisted by History" removes the curse from one of the greatest patriots in American history.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
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To: rebooted
Wrong. And wrong. No American has every been secretary General of the UN.... You sir, have no credibility

You are technically correct. However, Hiss did serve as the secretary-general of the United Nations Conference on International Organization (the United Nations Charter Conference) in San Francisco in 1945.

For someone to say he was "UN Secretary General" is more of a slip, or a memory lapse, then a purposeful deception. Your reaction is a tad harsh for a minor error.

51 posted on 11/07/2007 6:03:55 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: boop
Naw, she only dates 65 year old LIBERALS.

OK, I am willing to wait 11 years, but I refuse to become a liberal, even for her.

52 posted on 11/07/2007 6:06:26 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

***If the AMERICANS that were involved in creating the U . N. were Communists,***

And yet, the UN did call for a police action in Korea after the Russians walked out. The Commies never walked out again on a vote.


53 posted on 11/07/2007 6:10:25 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Hiddigeigei
He also set directly behind FDR during the Yalta Conference.

That was where about 100 million East Europeans were sold out to Stalin.

54 posted on 11/07/2007 6:12:53 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: rebooted

“Hiss was jailed for purgery, not for being a communist. You sir, have no credibility.”

Uh, first of all, it’s “perjury”. Second, yes, he was convicted of perjury - for lying when asked if he was a communist spy.

Qwinn


55 posted on 11/07/2007 6:17:16 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
True and The USSR had pilots that fought for North Korea.
They wanted the small war (huge in loss of life) to check American power and weapons.
56 posted on 11/07/2007 6:18:30 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: rebooted
No American has every been secretary General of the UN.

I googled this to clarify this point:

Hiss held the official job title of "Secretary-General of the United Nations Conference on International Organization". Apparently before the UN actually formed and had the first "Secretary-General of the UN" itself.

57 posted on 11/07/2007 6:19:37 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: goldstategop
Indexing RELATED threads:
McCarthyism: The Rosetta Stone Of Liberal Lies
(Ann Coulter Upsets Liberals Again Alert)

  Posted by goldstategop
On News/Activism 11/07/2007 3:22:31 PM PST · 53 replies


Ann Coulter.com ^ | 11/07/2007 | Ann Coulter
 

**Ann Coulter:
MCCARTHYISM: THE ROSETTA STONE OF LIBERAL LIES
(LIBERALs LIE???)**

  Posted by Syncro
On News/Activism 11/07/2007 3:05:59 PM PST · 33 replies


AnnCoulter.Com ^ | November 7, 2007 | Ann Coulter

58 posted on 11/07/2007 6:22:45 PM PST by RonDog
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To: DoughtyOne
I have tried to find out the the exact dates Clinton was in Prague, Czechoslovakia.

14 people were ready to fly on the OK airline to Paris.

We were sent to a small hotel on the outskirts of Prague and were not allowed to leave for several days.

We were given several different excuses for not flying all different.
strange

59 posted on 11/07/2007 6:31:39 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: rebooted; HuntsvilleTxVeteran
rebooted to HuntsvilleTxVeteran:

You sir, have no credibility.

Sorry, robooted. The lack of credibility is all yours.

Here was the statement that you said was wrong:

"“The first Secretary General was the AMERICAN Alger Hiss. Alger Hiss served time in prison pursuant to his involvement in a Communist spy ring”

Here is your reply:

Wrong. And wrong. No American has every been secretary General of the UN. Hiss was jailed for purgery, not for being a communist. You sir, have no credibility.

Now as I have found in research, Hiss was a Secretary-General (of the UN committee) before there was a Secretary-Genral of the UN. I note that Huntsville said that he was "The first Secretary General", but did not distinguish between the Committee and the UN itself. So within the context of the UN his statement is both technically truer then yours, and is certainly less misleading then your reply which would have the reader believing Hiss had no such association at all.

Secondly, Huntsville did not state that Hiss was convicted of being a Communist, he said "Hiss served time in prison pursuant to his involvement in a Communist spy ring". Noting that indeed the perjury he was convicted for was indeed pursuant to his involvement, Huntsville is again both more technically correct then you, and is certainly less misleading then your reply which would have the reader believing his being in jail was unrelated to communism.

You sir, have destroyed your credibility here on three counts:

1) You falsely accused someone else of being wrong.

2) You were being overtly technical in order to pull it off.

3) Even when being hyper technical, you were wrong both times you said Huntsville was wrong. Although your other two statements were technically true, Huntsville's entire post was technically true.

60 posted on 11/07/2007 6:35:05 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: goldstategop

Just went to my local Barnes and Noble to buy the new book. After unsuccessfully looking for it, I asked the young girl at the counter where I could find it. She looked it up on the computer and told me they had no copies. I asked when they would arrive and she told me they were not getting any in. Staring at a huge stack of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter’s books, I told her I didn’t understand why they had so many of those and none of the other. You can go take it up with someone else she said and turned away. Typical lib garbage still after 50+ years. Oh well, Amazon has it cheaper anyways.


61 posted on 11/07/2007 6:56:33 PM PST by dwg2
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To: Balding_Eagle
I agree. We are also very fortunate to have M. Stanton Evans. That's the source of Ann's research for her book.

He has been plugging away on this issue for many years.

62 posted on 11/07/2007 6:57:02 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Interesting Info. Makes all the sense in the world.....


63 posted on 11/07/2007 6:58:00 PM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Plutarch
Didn't McCarthy die from cirrhosis or another complication of alcoholism?

I seem to recall hepatitis.

64 posted on 11/07/2007 7:15:24 PM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: AndyTheBear

Well said.


65 posted on 11/07/2007 7:19:15 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Plutarch; rebooted

perjury


66 posted on 11/07/2007 7:21:40 PM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: goldstategop
Once more, Ann coins a phrase guaranteed to cause hysteria: "There were no "McCarthyites" until liberals came along."

This was such a good article, I feel compelled to post multiple pictures of Ann:


67 posted on 11/07/2007 7:28:39 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is at all comprehensible.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

where does your information come from? Is it in the book mentioned here?


68 posted on 11/07/2007 7:43:04 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: fish hawk

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a00f5fb38b0.htm


69 posted on 11/07/2007 7:45:19 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: goldstategop

INTREP!


70 posted on 11/07/2007 8:21:02 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Will read. Thank you and much Aloha.


71 posted on 11/07/2007 8:25:44 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: peggybac

How did this confuse you? Rush is a boomer, and he slams them all the time. I’m a boomer, and a lot of his criticism is valid, although I think we were only “the most self-centered generation in history” until the next generation came along. The youngest generation is always the most self-centered.


72 posted on 11/07/2007 8:39:38 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

What confused me was she kept saying, “them” when she should have said, “us.” I know it’s no big deal but it kind of made me wonder. I wish I could remember exactly what she said but I can’t remember what I had for dinner!


73 posted on 11/07/2007 8:56:10 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: goldstategop; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; DoughtyOne; facedown; Yardstick; basil; Plutarch; ...

Waves of immigrants who came to the USA from 1880-1920: the poles the italians the irish the jews. Most of them voted for FDR by large majorities in 1932, 1936 & 1940. Today only the jews still vote democratic by hefty majorities. Why? The reason for this dates explicitly to the McCarthy period from 1950-54. The reason this is so is because Hollywood still strenuously maintains the communist lie about that era. This lie is maintained by movies in the last years called “A Beautiful Mind,” and “Good Night and Good Luck”.

There are various reasons given as to why Stalin initiated the Doctor’s Plot in the early 1950’s before he died. The KGB hated Israel. Many Americans who were enthusiastic supporters of the UN were Jewish.

Edvard Radzinsky in his book “Stalin” argues that while at one time Stalin hoped Jewish financial capital would help rebuild the Soviet Union after the WWII, Stalin hated the prospect of suborning himself to the Baruch Plan and he flat out rejected IAEA nuclear controls—presented in 1946. The Russians were working on their own abomb based on stolen US designs. (Stalin’s attitude is not entirely dissimliar to that of Iran today.) The Russian Communist party was so top heavy with Jews-Stalin himself a Geogian—wanted to insure that the Russians saw a Russian face to the the communist party.

Whatever the reason, Stalin fomented the Doctor’s plot hysteria and broke off diplomatic relations with Israel. He was within days of preparing to exile the Soviet Jews to the Gulag (as was done previously with various other ethnic minorities such as the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, etc.), and initiate another great purge along the lines of 1938.

The important thing to recall is that the Doctor’s Plot happened at the same time as the McCarthy anti communist business from 1950-54

Stalin already had the concentration camps set up. And some of the preliminary accusations had gone out for the Doctor’s Plot.100 or so Russian jews had already been executed when he died in 1953.

At the same time the Rosenburgs were tried and executed for treason in the USA in 1953—and this less than a decade after the Holocaust. This naturally caused fear and suspicion in the US Jewish community. This fear and suspicion was played upon by knowledgeable communists and leftists—large numbers of whom were jewish. These folk not only knew about what Stalin had done in the 1930’s and was about to do with the doctor’s plot—before he died— but also saw the McCarthy trials as show trials american style ... that is, a prelude to an american pogrom. —For which the rosenbergs were exhibit A.

What Stalin had planned to do— in a brilliant piece of jujitsu —leftists and communists imputed to Americans on the right. But it was done soto voce. Basically a blood libel was perpetrated on Americans without their knowing it. Worse, protestant america were painted as tribal enemies tooth and claw of the US jewish establishment without protestant america even knowing it. Never again! — Was the battle cry. But there weren’t any such enemies of Jews in the USA. If there were protestant tribal enemies in the USA — Meyer Kahane would have provoked them into a bloodletting. Why? Because he heard the same thing as everyone else. He also heard about enemies of the jews in the heartland. When he went to give battle, the only sorts of fights the JDL could find resulted in unintelligible court disputes in places like Idaho. In the end, Kahane married an american woman & helped expedite Stalin’s last wish—to rid Russia of Jews. When the american woman committed suicide Kahane lost interest in the USA and focused instead on Israel. When Kahane — died it was at the hands of a Moslem in 1990.

While the American public outside NY/LA were generally given the view that the McCarthy era was an age when innocent men were unjustly tried by suspicious anti semites like McCarthy & Nixon—the NY/LA Jewish establishment was given a very different story. They were given to understand that the democrats/liberals had prevented the US from visiting a holocaust on them. And that therefor American Jews owed their loyalty to the liberal democrats because the liberal democrats were the protectors of the Jews.

And this Meme went on untouched for decades after McCarthy.
This dual track story line didn’t crack until the early 1990’s when the kgb/nkvd/gru opened up their files on the WWII-McCarthy Period. In 1995 the US’s NSA agency opened up their Venona files. Both Russian and American spy agency files showed that McCarthy was right. The US government —as well as the Manhattan Project—had been at one time soaked with Russian Spies. The Rosenburgs were guilty. While McCarthy was wrong in most the details he got the general outline of the story right. Why did McCarthy get the outline right and the details wrong? The reason is McCarthy’s relationship to Hoover was the same as Hoover’s relationship to the NSA.The NSA told the FBI about the Venona intercepts but insisted that the FBI could not use NSA intercepts as evidence in court. The FBI had to develop their own leads. As a result most of the spies escaped prosecution. The FBI did not get their man.

In 1950 J Edgar Hoover began weekly meetings with Joseph McCarthy. Those meetings ended in 1954. The beginning and end of those meetings coincided with the beginning and end of McCarthy star turn in the national spot light. McCarthy got most of the details of the spy story wrong but he got the general outline of the story right. His predicament was the same as that of the FBI. Whatever Hoover told him—McCarthy could not use in the senate hearings. To this day the FBI denies that Hoover told McCarthy anything about the Venona Cables and maybe Hoover said nothing explicit to McCarthy for which Hoover could be liable in court.

Needless to say, an American style shoah was never in the cards.

The reason that hollywood hated Ronald Reagan so much was that he was an anti communist in hollywood during the McCarthy period. During this period to be staunchly anti communist in Hollywood or NYC was to be at least vaguely anti semitic because in the 30’s to the 50’s communism was considered to be almost a secular form of Judaism in the Jewish communities of NY/LA. Why? In Russia, communism was a way to get ahead for the jews. As well, there was a biblical antecedent for jewish communists in the bible in the person of Joseph in Egypt. Why? Because the relationship between jews to joseph’s Egypt maps over well to jews in Russia. And the history of the jews from Joseph to Moses looks very similar to the rise to prominence of many jews in the soviet communist bureaucracy from the 1917-1970 and the decades long expulsion of Russia’s jews after 1970 when it became clear that communism was not working. The Russians blamed Russian jews for the failure of communism.

Reagan was among the first wave of FDR democrats to switch parties. Reagan’s star turn in Hollywood ended after McCarthy. However, his experiences in Hollywood served him well when he went into public service. He always understood the jujitsu of media talk of the age. Something that cannot be said of Nixon.

When I hear American based Moslems talking about McCarthyism being visited on them. I have to laugh. They don’t know that they have pronounced themselves guilty in the eyes of many Americans.
The history of the McCarthy period now is forgotten among american jews except for the vague idea that somehow republicans are bad and somehow democrats are good.

As for the democrats, part of the reason for the loss of their inner coherence in the last decade —has been that part their foundational raison d’être stemming from the McCarthy era was revealed to be based on a lie. So now the core of the democratic party is the sodomites. Those folks are not just confusing. They are confused.

David Horowitz interviewed by Rush Limbaugh a couple months ago talked about how his parents were communists and he was a communist in college. He said when he was in college his views were always treated respectfully by his professors. But he said recently a young christian college student told him that his homosexual college professor had singled him out in class and asked him “Why do you christians hate queers.” Asked why he continued to do what he did in the face of all the abuse he gets, David Horowitz said like Rush he took public political positions because he had to. But also he said he did it as a matter of atonement.

He gets it.

Venona Historical Writings that include comparisons of venona and russian spy lists and the changing venona story in the academy.
http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page43.html
http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/index.html


74 posted on 11/07/2007 9:10:01 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Great post thank you.


75 posted on 11/07/2007 9:29:45 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: ckilmer; Jim Robinson
That is one fascinating post! I'm glad you pinged me to it, and I'm so impressed that I am presuming to ping Jim Robinson to it. Highly informative; makes sense of a lot of things.

I respectfully suggest that you edit it one more time, to make it flow just slightly better in a couple of places, then post it as an article. And, of course, ping me to it when you do.


76 posted on 11/08/2007 3:01:52 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: supremedoctrine

I agree: Treason is one heck of a great book. I suspect that Stanton Evans’ “Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America’s Enemies.” is more like a history text book. Whatever, I will have to check this out, and I’m likely to buy it. If I don’t buy it, I’ll be asking my public library to acquire it.


77 posted on 11/08/2007 3:10:43 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: goldstategop
Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies
Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies

78 posted on 11/08/2007 3:24:59 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: rebooted; HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Trygve Lie of Norway becomes first Secretary-General.

Looks like rebooted is correct. The above is from the UN site - http://www.un.org/aboutun/milestones.htm.

79 posted on 11/08/2007 4:14:25 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: IronJack

I think what Ann is saying is that this guy - Evans - has uncovered facts concerning McCarthy that are different than what is printed about him. I remember in Treason, she wrote that when she was researching McCarthy, she found out that newspapers would use as sources what other newspapers wrote. That she would have to dig and dig to try to uncover the original source, which in fact turned out to something somone made up. I think what Ann is saying about this new book is that what we post and state about McCarthy are in fact, the lies printed about him in over fifty years of the liberals smearing him.


80 posted on 11/08/2007 4:20:05 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Michael.SF.

I did post a line from the UN website stating who the first Secretary General was, and you are correct, that rebooted is technically correct. What I did find interesting in reading about the creation of the United Nations - from the UN website - is that Hiss’s name never appears. One would have to wonder why.


81 posted on 11/08/2007 4:22:40 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Qwinn

Let’s not forget who pushed that perjury charge. It was Dick Nixon, whom the liberals/communists never forgot or forgave. Even dead, they still hound him.


82 posted on 11/08/2007 4:26:12 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: AndyTheBear; HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Hey Andy - and everyone else. I want to apologize for taking rebooted’s side. I fell for the being technically correct part. I’m sorry for doubting Huntsville.


83 posted on 11/08/2007 4:29:44 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: ckilmer

Great post! Thanks for the links.


84 posted on 11/08/2007 4:38:28 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: sauropod

get


85 posted on 11/08/2007 4:40:45 AM PST by sauropod ("Nobody has time for your priceless prose. Get to the point." - Jim Michaels RIP 2007)
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To: peggybac

Seems consistent, actually. I’m not sure her membership as a boomer would stop her from hammering them.

However, I would like to point out that she’s 46.

I thought she was about 30.

Talk about good genes.


86 posted on 11/08/2007 4:50:37 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: 7thson
One must be careful in sifting the chaff from the wheat. In this case, the smear of "alcoholism" is -- typically for liberals -- only partially correct. During the time when he was holding his Army/State Dept. hearings in the Senate, McCarthy was NOT a drunk. In fact, he was close to a teetotaler. It wasn't until his career was ruined by the media and his own blind ambition that he started hitting the bottle that hard.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are Lies, Damned Lies, and Liberal History.

87 posted on 11/08/2007 5:39:35 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: ckilmer

That explains a LOT. THanks.


88 posted on 11/08/2007 5:58:44 AM PST by subterfuge (HILLARY IS: She who must not be Dismayed)
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To: 7thson
Hiss’s name never appears. One would have to wonder why

Interesting point.

My info came from some on line biography's of Alger Hiss which explained his key role in the formulation of the UN.

Thank you.

89 posted on 11/08/2007 7:26:43 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

How utterly PRAVDA-like of our media to absolutely ignore this whole U.N./U.S.S.R./communist connection... & how sad it is that Archie Bunker was right about so many things... & how sad it is that (as much as that show was made out to be seen as cutting edge humor) much of America’s population has become sypathetic to, and thinks like Meathead. Hitlary, a card-carrying Socialist sympathizer herself, is going to rise right into the highest office in the world because there’s no way to “burnthe phone lines off the wall” to stop her!! ///Amerika! Amerika! God shed His light on her!/// Yup.. back in the day, he did. In 2008 however, we will begin paying the piper for being slack about communists amonst our former home of the proud and the brave. Too much proud and not enough brave. JMHO


90 posted on 11/08/2007 7:47:40 AM PST by KnightRat (God grows it, We mow it!)
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To: IronJack
Let’s not fall for yet another lie that has been perpetrated by the Left.

Hepatitis is indeed a disease of the liver and can be crippling if not fatal.

Cirrhosis is also a disease of the liver, caused generally by extreme alcohol abuse.

By leaving out a bit of fact, the left has done a fine job of continuing a smear against a good man.

“He drank a lot and died of liver disease.” Implied lie: He was a drunk.

I hope that one day, the truth will come out and drive out the lies of the left on this and so many other events and people in history. We just have to keep plugging away.

91 posted on 11/08/2007 8:25:02 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: dwg2

Where is that bookstore?


92 posted on 11/08/2007 8:58:39 AM PST by Syncro
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To: ckilmer

Bump to read later


93 posted on 11/08/2007 9:08:41 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: ckilmer

Thanks. I’ll have to admit to not being aware of some of the movements you mentioned. The Doctor’s plot and Verona were both new ones to me. Being born in 1951, knowledge of the McCarthy era was never one of my strong suits.

It was a given that McCarthy had to be pretty close to the truth because the shaddow that was the Democrat party had to be caste by something.

If the Democrats were very anti-McCarthy, it was a no-brainer for me to thing McCarthy wasn’t all that far off track. There had to be some truth behind his efforts.

And this is basicly how I formed my opinion of McCarthy over the years.

Luckily, I’ve never bought into the idea that McCarthy was the evil person the Democrats played him off to be.

I may have doubted some of his tactics, but it has been obvious from the Democrats standings on issue after issue, even until this day that the enemies of this nation had infiltrated the party.

Thanks for the overview. It was appreciated.


94 posted on 11/08/2007 9:40:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: ckilmer
...protestant america were painted as tribal enemies tooth and claw of the US jewish establishment without protestant america even knowing it....

Interesting post. I've had this discussion with American Jews. Most American Jews do not know that the core group of Protestants who founded America did so because they were persecuted in their home countries of Europe by the State religion of Anglicanism, Catholicism or some other group.

Christians believe themselves to be part of "Israel" — the grafted-on branch. Our interests are completely intertwined spiritually. The problem today is the non-believers. Among Jews, you can be a non-believer and still be a Jew. A Christian, however, is not an ethnicity. You must make the commitment. So we are not directly analogous.

Both groups have ethnicity-based suspicions. But those who are religious in both camps seem to recognize our common heritage. On average, a smaller percentage of American Jews are religious than self-identified Christians who are religious. Given the already tiny percentage of Jews, that leaves a miniscule number who are religious Jews. Their voices are just as silenced as those of Christians in the public square.

95 posted on 11/08/2007 10:34:37 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; ckilmer
I respectfully suggest that you edit it one more time, to make it flow just slightly better in a couple of places, then post it as an article. And, of course, ping me to it when you do.

I agree, and also want a ping.

96 posted on 11/08/2007 10:35:47 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: 7thson
Let’s not forget who pushed that perjury charge. It was Dick Nixon, whom the liberals/communists never forgot or forgave. Even dead, they still hound him.

Regardless of his missteps on immigration, you have to give George W. Bush credit for simply ignoring the left's tactics. He has stood up to some of the worst abuse I have seen in my long life.

I have Ann Coulter to thank for illuminating the left's tactics in Treason. She showed how they have been used against every Republican president in modern times. If she never writes another word, she has already struck huge blows for regaining our (traditional Americans') freedom.

97 posted on 11/08/2007 10:40:46 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: ckilmer
Again replying to your long post, I have often reflected that, in the years immediately following the Holocaust, Jews became persons who played the role Ann writes about -- liberal icons who are beyond criticism. She has mentioned the Jersey Girls and we have recently seen the 12-year-old boy used by the left as religious icons of liberalism who must never be questioned.

Thus the voices of Jewish intellectuals — in the New York intelligensia, in academia, in medical science, in the psychotherapy establishment, and in Hollywood — went unchallenged, no matter what they said. I'm thinking in particular of the New York literary establishment, led by Norman Mailer, who were involved in the Vietnam antiwar movement up to their eyeballs. They had a right to their opinions, but other voices were suppressed.

Few American blacks, Jews or other minorities realize the long history of slavery and oppression that infected all major societies at one time or another. The Irish were oppressed by the English for 800 years. It wasn't about skin color; it wasn't even about Christianity; although it was about Catholic vs. Anglican on the surface (it's always about money under the surface). Oppression is a universal human problem that the American experiement was uniquely able to confront.

Unless we regain a strict Constructionist judiciary and a free press, our great experiment in freedom will be history, and soon.

98 posted on 11/08/2007 10:57:19 AM PST by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: boop
Boop, Ann Coulter's conclusion about Dean Acheson's record may be correct, but her ad hominem attacks on Ronald Radosh ("whiner") and perhaps even on Acheson still weaken her article by implying that anyone who differs with her in her assessment of McCarthy must be doing so out of ignorance, wickedness or foolishness. I learned quite a bit from reading Treason and consider it to be (by far) her best book, and Coulter is certainly doing no more than giving as good as she's gotten from Radosh, whose criticisms of Treason have been at least as crude. Yet, while she is more than capable of supporting her declarations regarding both he and Secretary Acheson with fact and argument, she chooses not to bother, leaving her article at a lower level of quality than it easily could have been. I'm glad she's informed me and the rest of the public about the M. Stanton Evans book, but for similar reasons as those above, I suspect his book will be, while far less pithy than Treason, far better.

Is David Horowitz correct in this assessment? Maybe, maybe not. But he at least attacks the argument rather than the person and doesn't simply assume malicious motives in those who disagree with him.
99 posted on 11/08/2007 3:15:03 PM PST by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir
...but her ad hominem attacks on Ronald Radosh ("whiner") and perhaps even on Acheson still weaken her article...

As opposed to ad hominem attacks by leftist, which tend to strengthen their articles (being that they got nothing else). Look, in the case of Coulter, the hyperbole is there for entertainment. It helps the reader find humor in what is otherwise would make one rather angry.

100 posted on 11/08/2007 11:18:59 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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