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Analysis: Right Splinters on GOP Field
AP via SFGate ^ | 11/7/7 | LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 11/07/2007 3:39:53 PM PST by SmithL

(AP) -- The splintering of prominent Christian conservatives over the Republican presidential contenders reflects a schism — between the dogma of God, guns and gays and the desire to beat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Months of disagreement within this important GOP voting bloc culminated this week in a flurry of endorsements:

Televangelist Pat Robertson is backing Rudy Giuliani. Conservative Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas is supporting fellow Sen. John McCain of Arizona. Moral Majority co-founder Paul Weyrich is going for Mitt Romney.

All the candidates are flawed in the eyes of the Christian right, which is why some evangelical leaders are holding out and might favor a third-party candidate.

"You've got a wide-open primary, and you have various people who are ideologically acceptable — not perfect, but ideologically acceptable," Brownback said in an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press.

"If they're acceptable and can win, that's better than losing," Brownback said, speaking by telephone on a campaign swing through Iowa with McCain. "I think you're seeing a more pragmatic expression taking place."

For his part, Robertson said he worries not about electability but about terrorists. Also, he feels reassured that Giuliani would appoint Supreme Court justices who view abortion from a conservative stance.

"To me, the overriding issue before the American people is the defense of our population from the bloodlust of Islamic terrorists," Robertson said.

"I don't think evangelicals have coalesced around any candidate," he said Wednesday in Washington, with Giuliani at his side. "I just believe that I needed to make a statement, and I am speaking for myself, that ... Rudy Giuliani is, without question, an acceptable candidate."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008endorsements; asspressbias; christianvote; fredthompson; patrobertson; rinostampede; rudy

1 posted on 11/07/2007 3:39:54 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
Yeah we should really listen to our blood foes for advise on how the election is shaping up.

What should we do next, tune in to Radio Tehran to hear how the war is going?

2 posted on 11/07/2007 3:44:07 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Pacifism is not moral. True morality requires evil be opposed, not appeased)
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To: SmithL
>Right Splinters on GOP Field

It will be wicked
if the "Evangelicals"
whine and whine and whine,

finally stay home
and don't vote, but somehow still
Republicans win.
3 posted on 11/07/2007 3:47:03 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: SmithL
"I don't think evangelicals have coalesced around any candidate," he said Wednesday in Washington, with Giuliani at his side. "I just believe that I needed to make a statement, and I am speaking for myself, that ... Rudy Giuliani is, without question, an acceptable candidate."

Right Rudy is the ONLY one that can save us from the muslims

Robertson is either a complete boob or sold out
4 posted on 11/07/2007 3:49:14 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: theFIRMbss
finally stay home and don't vote, but somehow still Republicans win.

Like in 2006? If the GOP doesn't run a conservative, I put the blame on them. The results of insulting the party base by backing liberal RINOs should be clear from what happened in 2006.
5 posted on 11/07/2007 3:50:51 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: SmithL
We have seen something of a conservative leadership vacuum in the 20 years since Reagan. Messers Robertson, Brownback, and Weyrich are showing, by their poor judgment, why they were were never able to lead.

The majority of the conservative base has lined up behind Fred Thompson. The liberals are terrified of him, which should only increase our esteem for Fred.

6 posted on 11/07/2007 3:52:12 PM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

I don’t think the left considers Fred a threat. Otherwise Harpers would have written that article about Fred, not Romney. I think the Hollywood media wants to see Klinton vs Fred because it will make everyone a lot of money.


7 posted on 11/07/2007 3:58:04 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: SmithL

Pat Robertson’s audience will not follow him on this one.

And everyone knows that Pat’s age has affected his public proclamations for some time now.


8 posted on 11/07/2007 4:10:03 PM PST by xzins (If you'll just agree to the murdering of your children we can win the presidency!)
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To: SmithL
Today, discord within the movement may run deeper than in the 1990s. The Christian right is maturing and has a new generation of leaders interested in issues beyond abortion and gay marriage, such as the environment and Darfur violence.

By "maturing? they mean the movement has been corrupted and I wash my hands their corruption.

I stopped donating to the evangelical movement a few years ago and will NOT give them a dime any longer.

9 posted on 11/07/2007 4:12:34 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: SmithL

I have no problem with the splintering at this point in time. However when we do pick a nominee I hope we can all get back together and back whoever it is. From the postings I have seen on FR I have doubts this will happen.


10 posted on 11/07/2007 4:12:37 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Romneyfor President2008
I don’t think

We know, Willardboy. We know.

11 posted on 11/07/2007 4:14:16 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: SmithL

btt


12 posted on 11/07/2007 4:16:30 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Parley Baer

The left and their shills in the MSM are counting on us doing something really really stupid like staying home or third party. That’s the only way they win.


13 posted on 11/07/2007 4:17:32 PM PST by mimaw
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To: theFIRMbss
"but somehow the GOP still wins"

Sire, you just predicted the future.

That hand has been over played by a long shot.

14 posted on 11/07/2007 4:17:55 PM PST by Mariner
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To: uncbob

Robertson lost credibility with his protein powder and fake 2,000 leg press.


15 posted on 11/07/2007 4:26:06 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: All

Looks like the evangelicals sold out to the liberals.

They could have backed real conservatives...but refused to do so.

This is shaping up to be a rough 2008 for the GOP


16 posted on 11/07/2007 4:30:45 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (FantasyCollegeBlitz.com)
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To: Romneyfor President2008

“I don’t think the left considers Fred a threat. Otherwise Harpers would have written that article about Fred, not Romney. I think the Hollywood media wants to see Klinton vs Fred because it will make everyone a lot of money.”


It will take a little more than that lame attempt, if you want to sell a bill of goods to the FR crowd.


17 posted on 11/07/2007 4:33:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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To: theFIRMbss
It will be wicked if the "Evangelicals" whine and whine and whine, finally stay home and don't vote, but somehow still Republicans win.

Dream on. Over 1/2 of the dem voting base would have to stay home for that to happen--maybe about a third if ALL the independents broke Republican. It'll never happen. Bottom line, you're stuck with us. Live with it. Or be consigned to being a permanent electoral minority. So at least pretending to act nice would be a good start.

18 posted on 11/07/2007 4:59:24 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: SmithL
All the candidates are flawed in the eyes of the Christian right...

All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

The Lord will NOT be returning to run for POTUS. Staying home or voting third party only assures evil of victory. But then, who knows His will? Maybe evil is supposed to win this one, to begin the End Times.

19 posted on 11/07/2007 5:00:51 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: theFIRMbss

won’t happen; lets see the GOP Rudy win in a state like IOWA, INDIANA, SC, TN, NB, ETC w/out the army of volunteers (many Christian Conservatives) volunteering for his campaign (in a tightly divided USA, ain’t gonna happen..)!


20 posted on 11/07/2007 5:01:17 PM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: ansel12

Thanks. I don’t expect the FR crowd to support Romney until after he is nominated.


21 posted on 11/07/2007 5:11:45 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: CottonBall

I agree. We got earned our defeat in ‘06 by tolerating huge spending and an open-borders mentality within our own party.


22 posted on 11/07/2007 5:19:22 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Romneyfor President2008

Get real. The DNC takes the time to write an anti-Fred rant nearly every f-ing week.


23 posted on 11/07/2007 5:20:41 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: JimRed
Staying home or voting third party only assures evil of victory.

No.

Having only two LIBERAL scumbags to choose from...

assures evil of victory.

24 posted on 11/07/2007 5:22:48 PM PST by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Looks like the evangelicals sold out to the liberals.

No, the Evangelical "Leadership" sold out to the liberals. I'm not an Evangelical, but I know plenty of them, and they can and will think for themselves. I don't agree with them on everything, but they are not a bunch of hive-minded groupthinking retards like the MSM will have you believe.

Everybody knows by now that Robertson is a snake-oil peddling fraud anyways.

25 posted on 11/07/2007 5:27:09 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Romneyfor President2008

I won’t support him in any case. I might be persuaded to vote for him, but I won’t volunteer or donate money. Many others feel the same way. Do you seriously think it’s a good idea to nominate somebody as unpopular as him? Even if he sweeps Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina (which will not happen, btw) by spending huge amounts of his own money there, so what? He’s still fighting to stay in the top tier in the national polls, which doesn’t bode well for him in the general election. He’s got unfavorables on par with Hillary.


26 posted on 11/07/2007 5:33:23 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Parley Baer
>>However when we do pick a nominee I hope we can all get back together and back whoever it is. From the postings I have seen on FR I have doubts this will happen.<<

Although it has nothing to do with Robertson, here is one Christian who decided just today to support whichever GOP nominee wins. I am adamantly opposed to Guiliani leading my children's nation, but I am more opposed to Clinton and her extreme views.

27 posted on 11/07/2007 5:43:11 PM PST by Muleteam1
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To: SmithL

Anyone who genuinely believes a pro-illegal immigration, pro-”sanctuary city” stance (such as Giuliani’s) does anything to enhance their safety from terrorist attacks is — plainly and simply — too bone stupid to be allowed to vote, come Election Day.


28 posted on 11/07/2007 5:43:16 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: Romneyfor President2008

Wouldn’t support the Romnoid no matter who was in the race.


29 posted on 11/07/2007 7:19:16 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (I am a proud anti-invasion racist!)
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To: SmithL

“Rudy Giuliani is, without question, an acceptable candidate.”

Now there’s a ringing endorsement. I rank it somewhere around “I think my left kidney is still working”.


30 posted on 11/07/2007 7:26:19 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: SmithL
I really believe that Pat Robertson, Sam Brownback and Paul Weyrich have all capitulated to pressure from the MSM because of the immediacy of the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries.

I'm disgusted with their lack of backbone - but hey, I guess I didn't believe any of them really had backbone anyway.

31 posted on 11/07/2007 7:31:18 PM PST by delacoert
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To: iowamark

“We have seen something of a conservative leadership vacuum in the 20 years since Reagan.”

We’ve had GHWB, then Newt, and then GWB as our standard bearers, And other conservative leaders besides in media, political office, etc. This simply underestimates so many leaders, because they dont measure up to the ideal of Reagan (who was imperfect when he was in office but our fond memories gloss over the details).

” Messers Robertson, Brownback, and Weyrich are showing, by their poor judgment, why they were were never able to lead.”

Your opinion. but its wide of the mark. Their judgment differs from yours but that doesnt make them unable to lead.

“The majority of the conservative base has lined up behind Fred Thompson.”

This is simply untrue, in fact it is wishful thinking. Too many real conservatives are a bit underwhelmed by Thompson as a candidate. He may be the truer conservative, but he is not the strongest candidate in the eyes of many. And it is wishful thinking to assert otherwise.

Right now Rudy and Romney are the strong candidates, and even John McCain, whose campaign was DOA two months ago is now back at it. This return, and Huckabee’s rise, is a consequence of the let-down of the Thompson campaign, which could have changed the dynamic but in the end didnt. Thompson could have come in and stolen McCain’s base, but today Thompson is no higher against Rudy than he was in June.

“The liberals are terrified of him, which should only increase our esteem for Fred.” - the liberals are bashing everyone republican, including Rudy. Indeed Rudybots were using that as a reason to support Rudy. There is Romney-bashing, which is dutifully reported by FredHeads as proof of his flaws, not clued into the irony of doing the dirty work for the liberals by reposting on that score.


32 posted on 11/07/2007 7:41:46 PM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism, pro-US-sovereignty)
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To: theFIRMbss

If that happens, if the Purist Pubs stay at home, the Dems will win an electoral landslide. So any 3rd Party nonsense is just madness.


33 posted on 11/07/2007 8:31:25 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: JimRed

“Maybe evil is supposed to win this one, to begin the End Times.”

Or more simply to teach us a lesson.


34 posted on 11/07/2007 8:55:26 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good Morning President Clinton


35 posted on 11/08/2007 3:34:24 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: DocH
Having only two LIBERAL scumbags to choose from...

The lesser of the evils is not an activist for the cause of evil; the other one is. I will not vote for Rudy in the primary, but if it is between him and SheWhoMustBeStopped...

OK, you win; I'll vote third party (staying home is not an option) and help accelerate our descent into socialism, and our eventual demise!

36 posted on 11/08/2007 5:25:50 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: lesser_satan
...I won’t volunteer or donate money.

I won't donate any more until our side gets serious about border security and cutting government- and I've told them so.

37 posted on 11/08/2007 5:28:41 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: SmithL

If it’s Fred or Hunter, I’ll not only vote, I’ll campaign.

If it’s McCain or Romney or Huckabee, I’ll have to hold my nose but I will without doubt vote for them against the Hildebeast.

If it’s Rudy, I won’t vote on the Presidential race. Sorry. Just can’t do it.

And before someone wants to take me to task as some evangelical fundie purist... I’m actually agnostic. I just think Rudy will destroy the conservative movement in a way Hillary never could.

Qwinn


38 posted on 11/08/2007 5:30:00 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: theFIRMbss

So you think Evangelicals should not have a voice in the upcoming election?


39 posted on 11/08/2007 5:30:30 AM PST by sauropod ("Nobody has time for your priceless prose. Get to the point." - Jim Michaels RIP 2007)
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To: SmithL

Hillary and fellow communist hope for a totally split conservative vote, that gives her the White House with about 32% of the vote.


40 posted on 11/08/2007 5:31:58 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The Marxist's Dimocrat Party: Party for and by terrorists, Marxists, Socialists and Homos.)
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To: sauropod
>So you think Evangelicals should not have a voice in the upcoming election?

Well, I'm Born Again
and I'll be casting my vote.
Isn't that a "voice?"

Or by "voice" you mean
whining and threatening, making
religious people

look like stupid kids
trying to make their parents
buy them a new bike?

41 posted on 11/08/2007 7:58:24 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

I don’t agree with your characterization.

How many times do you need to see the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence (or whatever they are called) going into that Catholic church in SanFran before you are offended?


42 posted on 11/08/2007 9:17:42 AM PST by sauropod ("Nobody has time for your priceless prose. Get to the point." - Jim Michaels RIP 2007)
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To: SmithL

Me, I am an “anyone who can beat Hillary” voter right now and I am tired of big spending compassionate conservatism. Really tired. Give me Giuliani, Romney, or Thompson, whoever it may be. I won’t stay home or withold money because he doesn’t ring all the religious right’s bells.


43 posted on 11/08/2007 3:38:52 PM PST by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: SmithL

44 posted on 11/09/2007 7:35:38 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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