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Fred Thompson Is Finished
aim.org ^ | November 7, 2007 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 11/07/2007 7:41:35 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

On the matter of Terri Schiavo’s right to life, which occupied the attention of the media and Congress in 2005, Thompson called that a family decision, “in consultation with their doctor,” and “the federal government should not be involved.” Thompson added, “the less government the better.” ...

In the case of Terri Schiavo, a severely disabled person, there was a family dispute. Her estranged husband wanted her to die and he eventually succeeded in starving her to death. Her parents had wanted her to live. ...

There was no moral justification for killing Terri because she had an inherent right to life and there was no clear evidence that she wanted food and water withdrawn. The morally correct course of action would have been to let her family take care of her. Nobody would have been harmed by that.

“Meet the Press” host Tim Russert brought up the death of Thompson’s daughter, who reportedly suffered a brain injury and a heart attack after an accidental overdose of prescription drugs. Apparently Thompson and members of his family made some decisions affecting her life and death. Thompson described it as an “end-of-life” issue.

Bobby Schindler says he doesn’t know what the circumstances precisely were in that case and that he sympathizes with what Thompson went through. However, he says that it is not comparable at all to his sister’s case.

“What no one is recognizing,” he told me, “is that my sister’s case was not an end-of-life issue. She was simply and merely disabled. Terri wasn’t dying. She was only being sustained by food and water. She had no terminal illness. She wasn’t on any machines. All she needed was a wheelchair and she could have been taken anywhere. She didn’t even need to be confined to a bed.”

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cliffkincaid; cultureofdeath; fred; fredthompson; nofireinthebelly; prolife; rinostampede; terrischiavo; thompson
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To: JasonC

I’d take Romney over Rudy as well...but I can’t say Fred’s in “who cares” category if he’s still polling in second place nationally.


51 posted on 11/07/2007 8:10:43 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: JasonC

And tradesports showed Fred at the top in September.

Were they wrong then...or right? Are they right now...or wrong?

Your using of trade futures shows just how fickle those are.


52 posted on 11/07/2007 8:11:24 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: dusttoyou

I’m turning Fox off more and more. Don’t think much of Hannity and Colmes. They seem to work overtime being so fair amd balanced, that I want a straight answer out of someone. They also seem to feature subject matter that titilates, and then they can’t let go of it.
Think I’m suffering from politics fatigue.


53 posted on 11/07/2007 8:11:35 PM PST by kaycee
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To: PAR35

And if voters elect a moral conservative for president who believes it’s the federal government’s job to protect human life, anyone who doesn’t like that can move to Europe where the state murder of crippled “useless eaters” is a tradition.


54 posted on 11/07/2007 8:11:49 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Fred is right.

Federalism means the federal government stays out of your life as much as possible, period. This issue was within the purview of the state of Florida and should have stayed there, no matter what.

Are we to bow to a tyrant merely because he bans abortions and doesn’t allow euthanization of humans? I don’t think that is a line we should cross.


55 posted on 11/07/2007 8:12:48 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: BallyBill
If he or anyone was truly “finished”, people wouldn’t need to waste time attacking them.

Bingo!

Fred is a small gov, pro-life, pro-gun, pro national security, Federalist with enough integrity and honesty to keep my trusting him completely even through the few disagreements I have with him.

If Fred is finished the GOP is finished cuz its either him, a true conservative, or Rudy McRomney the three amigo's of rinoville. Fortunately for the GOP Fred is far far far from finished despite the rantings of the unhinged here at FR.

56 posted on 11/07/2007 8:13:50 PM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: skateman

57 posted on 11/07/2007 8:13:56 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
There are worse alternatives to a Thompson Presidency, but still....

Yes... Giuliani, McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Paul, Clinton, Obama, and the rest of the Dims come to mind.

58 posted on 11/07/2007 8:15:23 PM PST by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Perdogg
Don't be sorry. Stand by your principles. I share them.

I don’t think it is the business of the federal govt to get involved. I am sorry.

59 posted on 11/07/2007 8:16:10 PM PST by DManA
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Another yawner by tailgunner.


60 posted on 11/07/2007 8:16:16 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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To: Hawk1976

You’d rather each state bow to a tyrant who murders babies and innocent handicapped women?


61 posted on 11/07/2007 8:16:31 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Fred is running second in the major polls. If he's "finished" we might as well just crown Rudy now and get it over with.

We need less drama and more reasoned thought if we are to prevent Rudy from becoming our nominee. Time is running out. Many are endorsing Rudy simply because they think his win is inevitable.

Fred is a solid conservative and even if he's not your first choice he would be, at very least, acceptable to most in our party. Let's get behind him and get this done before the only choice left to us is between Rudy and Hillary.

62 posted on 11/07/2007 8:16:31 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - President Fred D. Thompson /"The Constitution means what is says.")
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To: RockinRight

BTW, I really like your freeper page and agree with a lot of it. I just think you exaggerate some and end up fighting fiction in a few cases. That’s wasted energy.


63 posted on 11/07/2007 8:17:51 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: RockinRight

You said — “I still think though...that it is quite possible that God’s intent was to take her in 1991.”

If that was God’s intent, He would have succeeded in taking her...

Regards,
Star Traveler


64 posted on 11/07/2007 8:18:20 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: HerrBlucher

If Fred is the nominee then the GOP is finished! If the Republican party does not nominate someone who believes that the murder of innocent babies should be illegal, then a third party will! Nominating Fred is as good as voting for Hillary.


65 posted on 11/07/2007 8:18:40 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: RockinRight

He’s finished with me, for sure...

Regards,
Star Traveler


66 posted on 11/07/2007 8:18:55 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Perdogg

You said — “I could not understand why the husband couldn’t have just let the parents care for Teri. But he didn’t.”

Well, wasn’t there an issue of money involved. And also, don’t you know that you “bury your mistakes”. You don’t let them live...

Regards,
Star Traveler


67 posted on 11/07/2007 8:20:56 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Joann37
Would this be the same Bill O'Reilly that called Free Republic a hate site?

Bill O'Reilly is a buffoon who's outlived what little usefulness he ever had.

68 posted on 11/07/2007 8:21:04 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: RockinRight
..."that it is quite possible that God’s intent was to take her in 1991."

Well, only God really knows the answer to that. One thing I know for certain, is that God had every chance to end Terri's life and chose NOT to do so.

Somehow to believe that starvation and dehydration are God's "natural" ways to end a person's life, is to have faith in an entirely different kind of God that I know!

God has permitted medical so save many who would have died but a few short years ago.

When Jehovah's Witness followers or even the Amish refuse medical treatment for their family members, the heavy hand of Government steps in and overrides their "choice" to refuse medical help.

Why would the same Government elect to save someone whom their own family chose to let Heaven care for yet in another case, order starvation and dehydration of yet another?

Believe me this was all about money, not about "right to choose" on the part of the family.

That her parents and brother desired her life to continue until God elected to take her and only her greedy husband, who desired to have her out of his life so that he would be free to marry his lover and enjoy what monies he had left out of Terri's settlement, tells me that this was NOT an issue that had anything to do with "family and doctor" advice.

69 posted on 11/07/2007 8:21:46 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: RockinRight

What?! Second place from bottom?


70 posted on 11/07/2007 8:22:06 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You’d rather each state bow to a tyrant who murders babies and innocent handicapped women?

The Constitution authorizes the Federal government to guarantee a republican form of government in the states, and that is the only authority it has over their internal decisions. This includes the state's sovereign rights to regulate murder within the state. Whatever you can say about Florida's government, it is a republican form of government.

71 posted on 11/07/2007 8:24:04 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wow!! Fred killed Terri??? Just Wow!!


72 posted on 11/07/2007 8:24:12 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Next time take the whole prozac....thank you.

Fred’s Federalism is the best way to save innocent babies, your way just guarantees endless years of status quo. Get real, get a life, get on the Fred train to true conservatism.


73 posted on 11/07/2007 8:24:14 PM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: ozzymandus

Check out tonights video DUmmy Funnies, Rush gets the same treatment from the moonbat left


74 posted on 11/07/2007 8:26:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Star Traveler

Um...look around here. Unless you are willfully ignoring Fred’s poll numbers because your candidate is doing worse...


75 posted on 11/07/2007 8:26:33 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: Star Traveler

Why?


76 posted on 11/07/2007 8:26:59 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The point is I’d rather not bow to a tyrant just because he gives me what I want. That is a trait best reserved for leftists.

I may not always agree with what the citizens of a state may decide in these matters, nonetheless I can respect their decision and urge them to change their minds.


77 posted on 11/07/2007 8:27:09 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: Perdogg
I could not understand why the husband couldn’t have just let the parents care for Teri. But he didn’t.

In order to get the money he had to kill the only witness. Just sayin

78 posted on 11/07/2007 8:27:15 PM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

He’s not much acting like a candidate.


79 posted on 11/07/2007 8:27:37 PM PST by mimaw
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To: RockinRight
"In fact he’s soon to be surging."


80 posted on 11/07/2007 8:28:05 PM PST by CheyennePress (Non Abbiamo Bisogno)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

The 14th amendment forbids any state from enforcing any law which abridges the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. But then “state’s rights” confrederates aren’t big fans of the 14th amendment are they!?


81 posted on 11/07/2007 8:28:25 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: zerosix

There’s no doubt in my mind a lot of bad stuff went on...and if it’s true Michael will be dealt with by God anyway.

However...while some here want to believe Terri was actually somewhat coherent and knew what was going on, there’s just as much evidence that she was completely vegetative.

That’s the whole reason this is such a hard issue. I don’t think Fred or any other person deserves derision for their opinions on this issue.


82 posted on 11/07/2007 8:29:00 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Horse Crap.

So true!

83 posted on 11/07/2007 8:29:01 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Lancey Howard

“The excruciating, two-week murder of Terri Schiavo should have been stopped by Governor Jeb Bush.”

Either the Governor or the President had the power to pardon someone sentence to death by the courts. That power exists to give the executive branch the moral authority to intervene in order to prevent a miscarriage of justice.

That is exactly what Terri Sciavo’s case was.


84 posted on 11/07/2007 8:29:29 PM PST by UnChained
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To: Ditto

You were saying — “I don’t disagree at all. Perhaps the state of Florida had an interest, but not the Feds, at least according to my copy of the Constitution.”

Well, with the Declaration of Independence stating that we have inalienable rights granted from God, our Creator —

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ... “

... and the Constitution is for protecting those rights, among other things — I would say protecting life is certainly a fundamental goal of the highest order for the Federal Government, given that it’s in the first few sentences of the founding of our country and government!

The government needs to intervene, in all cases, to preserve life, given that this is a right granted from our Creator God.

Regards,
Star Traveler


85 posted on 11/07/2007 8:29:32 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: HerrBlucher

Sorry, but it’s against my religion to vote for pro-choice candidates. What goes for Rudy goes for Fred!


86 posted on 11/07/2007 8:29:54 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: CheyennePress

Bad photoshop. But nice try.


87 posted on 11/07/2007 8:30:00 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Voters

Bet you enjoyed sticking that pin in that bubble. :)

88 posted on 11/07/2007 8:30:56 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Lancey Howard

Thompson is right.

You are right. Jeb Bush should have stepped in and investigated the criminal actions of the judge in the case.

Everybody involved won, except Terri and her family.

ditto and bttt


89 posted on 11/07/2007 8:31:26 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: mimaw
He’s not much acting like a candidate.

And how do candidate's act? In the past they never came to the nominating convention or traveled to give speeches. They would give speeches from their own front porches, which is why it used to be called 'standing for election.'

90 posted on 11/07/2007 8:32:10 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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To: JasonC

You may want to read up on the predictive value of the online political futures market. Here’s an article from The Street that explains why these markets are so unreliable (in a nutshell, their tiny population, the tiny sums that are wagered, and their susceptibility to manipulation make them not very good as a predictive tool):

Those Spurious Presidential Futures:
http://www.thestreet.com/p/_rms/rmoney/barryritholtz/10185976.html

Here’s some more info:

The night before the Iowa Caucuses in 2004, investors thought Howard Dean had 45% chance of winning Iowa, Gephart had 25% chance, Kerry had 20% chance and Edwards had 8% chance.

At the same time Jan 18, 2004, Iowa Electronic Markets investors thought Dean had a 51% chance of winning the overall donk nomination, Wesley Clark had 21% chance, and Kerry had 13% chance.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9502E2D81639F93BA25752C0A9629C8B63

The very next day, John Kerry won the Iowa caucuses with 37.6% of the vote, Edwards was second with 31.8%, Dean was a distant third with 18%, and Gephardt was fourth with 10.6%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Iowa_Democratic_caucuses


91 posted on 11/07/2007 8:33:04 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Star Traveler

Get over it. She was a veg.


92 posted on 11/07/2007 8:33:09 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: eleni121
The state must always rule in favor of life.

Exactly!

The rest is just detail.
How can any true conservative dispute this simple but clear tenet?

93 posted on 11/07/2007 8:33:27 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Sorry, but it’s against my religion to vote for pro-choice candidates. What goes for Rudy goes for Fred!

Your list of candidates is two then, a pro-life socialist (Huckabee) and Duncan Hunter. I'm curious who your dog is in this hunt that passes your pro-life test.

94 posted on 11/07/2007 8:33:38 PM PST by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Old Sarge

Thank you...we were wondering where you were!


95 posted on 11/07/2007 8:33:53 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN GRANDMA FREEPER, and a LOYAL and DEDICATED FredHEAD!)
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To: kaycee

Well, for one, a family has no right to murder someone. And then secondly, as far as Thompson is concerned, it does have to do with him being a candidate, in that I won’t be voting for him on that basis. So, it does figure into the “candidate equation”...

Regards,
Star Traveler


96 posted on 11/07/2007 8:33:56 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Well you go right ahead and support whoever you want to.

Who is that, BTW?


97 posted on 11/07/2007 8:34:58 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There is nothing in the Constitution which requires states to make murder a crime. If the state wanted to it could legalize murder, so long as everyone had the same right to murder. Of course it is extremely unlikely to happen, and it would be unjust, as was Florida’s treatment of Terri Schiavo.


98 posted on 11/07/2007 8:35:49 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Ron Paul Criminality: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2007/10/paul_bot)
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To: eleni121

Well said.


99 posted on 11/07/2007 8:36:26 PM PST by skr (How majestic is Thy Name, O Lord, and how mighty are Thy Works!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Uh, let’s see here...

1. FRed was an unmarried very young expectant father, who did not cause his child to be aborted, as many did in that same situation.

2. His voting record is 100% Pro Life.

3. He has said, many, many times, “I have always—and that’s been my position the entire time I’ve been in politics. I thought Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided”

4. He said again on MTP...”I think Roe v. Wade hopefully one day will be overturned...to have a constitutional amendment to do that, I do not think would be the way to go.”

5. And again, “my legal record is there, and that’s the way I would govern if I was president. I would take those same positions. No federal funding for abortion,”

6. “I think life begins at conception. I always—it was abstract to me before. I was a father earlier when I was very young. I was busy. I went about my way.”

So, now, why don’t YOU show where FRed said he was for abortion?


100 posted on 11/07/2007 8:37:00 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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