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To: Nathan Zachary
Freds just telling it like it is. We aren’ty going to throw 13 year old lawbreakers in prison. If that causes people to freak out, then too bad. Vote for Julie-Annie instead.

You're missing the point.

The point is, pro-lifers aren't looking to throw 13 year-old girls into prison either--and Fred, like Rudy, KNOWS it.

This is a classic strawman argument cynically used by the abortion industry and its minions to generate emotion and anger among voters.

The point is, Fred has adopted the phony-baloney fear mongering of the abortion industry to justify his do-nothing fence-straddling stance on abortion. He's hiding his true laissez-faire pro-abort intentions behind a federalism fig leaf--just LIKE Rudy.

The point cannot be stressed enough: for all intents and purposes, the stances of Fred and Rudy on abortion are indistinguishable.

46 posted on 11/08/2007 3:03:53 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

but fred has a pro-life record. that means he voted for federal laws against abortion. how could this be if he is 1) believes in federalism and 2) just like Rudy


48 posted on 11/08/2007 3:06:57 AM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: JCEccles

Federalism is not a fig leaf. Federalism is a concept born of the great minds that built our nation. Disregard for the concept of federalism is at the root of most evil in this country. An evil that many “conservatives” are willing to rush into just because they are 100% sure that their pet cause is more important than Hillary’s pet causes, or Obama’s pet causes, or the pet cause of the leftist lunatic homeless guy on the corner.

Everyone has pet causes. The Framers knew that. Hence: federalism.

Federalism pre-dated the pro-life movement and if our country survives it will be because federalism, in one form or another, manages to survive the onslaught of the various forms of Collectivism and Centralism that plague modern America.


50 posted on 11/08/2007 3:09:18 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: JCEccles
“The point is, pro-lifers aren’t looking to throw 13 year-old girls into prison either—and Fred, like Rudy, KNOWS it.”

The point is that throwing those who have or perform abortions in jail is exactly the purpose and likely effect of the human life amendment which is why that amendment is such a bad idea. It would lead to bad results, results nobody should want to see. That’s what Thompson said, very clearly, on MTP. Anyone who finds his point upsetting is a fool.

If the unborn had the full protection of persons under the 14th Amendment, equal protection would require that killing them be treated as intentional homicide, in other words as a serious crime. We send people to jail for serious crimes. No distinction between abortionists and the women who pay them would be sustainable. You couldn’t punish the former and not the latter any more than you could punish the hit man but not the Mafia Don who hired him.

Sometimes I despair of the pro-life movement. Victory is close at hand, but many pro-lifers seem too childish to grasp it.

91 posted on 11/08/2007 4:10:50 AM PST by fluffdaddy (we don't need no stinking taglines)
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To: JCEccles
for all intents and purposes, the stances of Fred and Rudy on abortion are indistinguishable.

LIAR

146 posted on 11/08/2007 6:30:18 AM PST by Petronski ("Willard, you can’t buy South Carolina. You can’t even rent it.”)
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To: JCEccles
The point is, pro-lifers aren't looking to throw 13 year-old girls into prison either--and Fred, like Rudy, KNOWS it.

Exactly. We generally don't throw 13-year olds in jail for killing adults.

Thompson is literally using the same arguments pro-abortion groups use.

And, he is a hypocrite. He would never support repealing countless Constitutional amendments that take power away from the states. Yet, doesn't believe the right to life for all human beings is worthy of Constitutional amendment.

214 posted on 11/08/2007 9:18:01 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: JCEccles
Oh yeah, and your boy Romney isn’t?

Show me where Romney said he wants 13 year old abortionist to go to jail?

The Romneys gave money to Planned Parenthood in the early 90’s. That money probably helped some 13 year old girl kill her child. So should the Romneys go to jail for assisted murder?

277 posted on 11/08/2007 2:19:50 PM PST by RatsDawg (Hsu out the Democrats in 2008!, Go Hsu-less vote GOP)
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