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What Hillary Stands For
Time ^ | Nov 7, 2007 | JOE KLEIN

Posted on 11/08/2007 8:04:33 AM PST by vietvet67

A few days after her roughest night as a candidate — the Oct. 30 Democratic presidential debate — Hillary Clinton could be found ambling along a spectacular bluff overlooking the Mississippi River in a town called Clinton, Iowa, with former Vice President Walter Mondale, a ghost of Democratic disasters past. It was the photo op for an endorsement that seemed a potential kiss of death. Mondale is a smart and decent man, but he ran the worst sort of cautious front-runner campaign for the nomination in 1984, was nearly upended by the younger, more dynamic Gary Hart in the primaries and was utterly trounced by Ronald Reagan in the general election, in part because, in an untypically incautious moment in his acceptance speech for the nomination, he said he would raise taxes.

Clinton has been accused of running a cautious front-runner campaign. She is challenged by a pair of dynamic younger candidates in Barack Obama and John Edwards. She has endorsed higher taxes for the wealthy. And more than a few Democrats worry that she cannot win a general election, even against a disgraced and exhausted Republican Party. In other ways, however, Clinton is the furthest thing from Mondale imaginable. A vote for Clinton is, at bottom, a radical proposition. It is a vote for the first woman President, the most dramatic expansion of American possibility since a Catholic was elected President in 1960. In the past six months, Clinton has transformed herself into a far more dynamic campaigner than Mondale ever was. But most important, there is a stark difference in political philosophy between them: Clinton is a pragmatic moderate, and Mondale was an old-fashioned liberal.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pantload

1 posted on 11/08/2007 8:04:34 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: vietvet67

$$$$$$$$$$$$


2 posted on 11/08/2007 8:06:43 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: vietvet67
Clinton is a pragmatic moderate, and Mondale was an old-fashioned liberal.

And Stalin was just a well-intentioned Russian.

3 posted on 11/08/2007 8:06:48 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering * Go Hoos! * Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: vietvet67

she stands for her power and money only.


4 posted on 11/08/2007 8:07:30 AM PST by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: vietvet67
Barf alert.

One of many slobbering, fawning articles to come. A "pragmatic moderate"? Give me a freaking break. She's a disciple of Alinsky, for cripes' sake. Just the start of the media's campaign to make Hillary! into something she's not (a 'moderate').

5 posted on 11/08/2007 8:08:11 AM PST by chimera
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To: vietvet67

A ‘pragmatic moderate’?? Amazing. Just shows how far to the left Time has become.


6 posted on 11/08/2007 8:12:28 AM PST by tje
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To: chimera

Hillary will do ANYTHING to become President....ANYTHING!!


7 posted on 11/08/2007 8:13:50 AM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: tje

“Ambling along a spectacular bluff?” Is this a repost of the cow falling 200 feet into the car?


8 posted on 11/08/2007 8:14:00 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: vietvet67
Clinton is a pragmatic moderate..........

so is Katherine Willey, [(Hows your cat?)Jennifer Flowers, {I sing), Paula Jones,(Trailer Park Trash,) et al.....

9 posted on 11/08/2007 8:14:05 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: vietvet67

There is, as is typical of this mope, so many things wrong with this article that I couldn’t come close to finishing (sh)it...


10 posted on 11/08/2007 8:14:26 AM PST by RightResponse (It depends on what the defamation of Islam is .....)
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To: vietvet67
Joseph Klein, my little clintonesta sweetykins, Hillary is NOT a pragmatic moderate and YOU are not a competent journalist!
11 posted on 11/08/2007 8:14:57 AM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: chimera

Try slogging through the whole thing. Joe Klein daintily touches on the usual doubts about Hillary and then proceeds to attempt to bury them with words.

I can only guess he’s trying to persuade us that Hillary is not perfect but still the one.

Or something, geez! Time should be condemned for killing so many trees for this blather.


12 posted on 11/08/2007 8:15:03 AM PST by sinanju
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To: vietvet67
Hillary a "pragmatic moderate?" Joe Klein must be smoking weed. The woman is a full-fledged closet Marxist!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 11/08/2007 8:15:15 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: vietvet67
What Hillary Stands For - EVIL
14 posted on 11/08/2007 8:15:35 AM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: vietvet67
What Hillary Stands For

Nothing!!! absolutely nothing!!!

except total control of everyone

15 posted on 11/08/2007 8:15:39 AM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: rabscuttle385
Both were tax and spend and we must take everything from you for the common good Democrats. The voters saw through Mondale. Let's hope they see through Ms. Clinton.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 11/08/2007 8:16:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: vietvet67
What Hillary Stands For


17 posted on 11/08/2007 8:17:19 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Gone_Postal
Amen. That's why Hillary has all the likeability of Nurse Ratched.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 11/08/2007 8:17:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: vietvet67

Ho hum. Time, still carrying the water for the beast. Big surprise. What a boring (and unconvincing) article.


19 posted on 11/08/2007 8:18:02 AM PST by SueRae
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To: rabscuttle385

You mean Georgian. Stalin was a well intentioned Georgian.


20 posted on 11/08/2007 8:19:03 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: vietvet67

for decades now,Joe klein has been smokin’ what drops after a cup of coffee.Pure raw crap.....Self crap in fact

Bless his soul


21 posted on 11/08/2007 8:19:22 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: RightResponse

I stopped at “pragmatic moderate.” And Rosie O’Donnell is a “graceful ballerina,” Sean Penn is a “compassionate conservative,” and Susan Sarandon is a “young ingenue.”


22 posted on 11/08/2007 8:21:03 AM PST by karnage
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To: SueRae

“A more dynamic campaigner than Mondale?” What a coincidence. I tripped over a rock this morning that is too.


23 posted on 11/08/2007 8:21:18 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: vietvet67
Clinton is a pragmatic moderate

Clinton is a power hungry socialist egomaniac

24 posted on 11/08/2007 8:22:00 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: vietvet67

Hillary stands for Hillary.


25 posted on 11/08/2007 8:22:25 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: vietvet67
Hillary Clinton's American Conservative Union (ACU) voting record:

     2006   2005   Lifetime

       8%    12%     9.0%

John Kerry's American Conservative Union (ACU) voting record:

    2006   2005   Lifetime

     12%     8%      5.6%
 

HIllary Clinton's Americans for Democratic Action (ADA/Commie) voting record:

    2006    2005

     95%    100%

John Kerry's Americans for Democratic Action (ADA/Commie) voting record:

    2006    2005

     95%    100%

Yeah, she's a moderate.

26 posted on 11/08/2007 8:26:04 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: vietvet67

Clinton is a pragmatic moderate

^^^
I should not be surprisedm considering the source, but Lordy!


27 posted on 11/08/2007 8:36:15 AM PST by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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What Hillary Stands For

28 posted on 11/08/2007 8:36:27 AM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Panzerlied


29 posted on 11/08/2007 8:36:36 AM PST by pookie18 (I'm voting for the Republican nominee!!)
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To: vietvet67

Thanks for posting this article. For decades, Joe Klein has been the Clintons’ #1 media piss boy. So, no one reflects what the Clintons are really thinking — and what they want us to think than him. Good read.


30 posted on 11/08/2007 8:36:53 AM PST by lapster
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To: vietvet67

This is a kind of back-handed way of Joe Klein and Time to show their growing disapproval of Herself, the Cold and Joyless. Condemnation by faint praise is still perdition, in this case. The examination, while still cautions, is getting more bold all the time, and some shibboleths are being slipped in there.

Such as, Herself being a “moderate” as compared to an “old-fashioned” liberal. Joe Klein obviously is troubled by this development, as if Herself were less “pure” than she ought to be. and by trying to reach back to Walter Mondale, does that somehow also cause the “impurity” to contaminate the old-fashioned liberals?

“Cautious” front running is also frowned upon, as Joe Klein furrows his brow and pontificates huffily that by not giving a real polish to the primary, Herself is also somehow crippling her chances in the general election.

Clue: Herself is already damaged goods, and while much of the press is unwilling to take a stand on her demonstrated incompetence, they are even more unwilling to present the way in which Herself is setting up her run for the White House. Of all the mentors in history that were available, Herself has adopted the pattern used by Richard Nixon in his drive for the White House in 1968 - build wide but largely unacknowledged support out there in the grass roots, and when the push came, go after a failed President of the opposite political party, even when it was clear that Johnson would not be a candidate for the 1968 election.

Nixon had, in fact, gone directly to the Chinese and laid out his agenda, which was a considerable factor in reshaping the war in Viet Nam. The Chinese withdrew a considerable amount of their tacit support for the North Vietnamese, and allowed a military victory early in the first Nixon term, one that was inexplicibly given away by apparent sabotages within the State Department at the time.

Herself has this idea the Islamofascist Muslims will behave in a manner similar to that of the Red Chinese, with whom Herself already has strong and multiple ties. By sheer force of will, Herself believes the Islamofascists shall be charmed, and they will accede to Herself in a way that Bush never could achieve. Thus, no war would be necessary.

Only one thing is missing from this equation - when Herself actually DOES come into confrontation with these Islamofascists, they shall accord Herself very little respect, because a) Herself is genericly a female, and therefore inferior; and b) they are pretty sure that Herself will not use any serious force to back up demands on behalf of the US and the West, since the US military in Iraq will be “redeployed” with all possible speed, once Herself is within the Oval Office.


31 posted on 11/08/2007 8:37:19 AM PST by alloysteel (Ignorance is no handicap for some people in a debate. They just get more shrill.)
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To: vietvet67
What Hillary Stands For

When I read this headline, the first thing that came to my mind was: "To pee."

32 posted on 11/08/2007 8:43:46 AM PST by Sicon
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To: vietvet67

I’m not going past the first 10 words of this garbage...

and that goes for 90% of the articles posted this am (my am)

who are they kidding ... is this type of writing their ‘being hard on clinton’.

noone has to pretend anymore - we know the media votes dem..

BUT to really want hillary rodham clinton to be their next President is unbelievable!


33 posted on 11/08/2007 9:07:42 AM PST by malia (President Bush***FreeRepublic*Rush*Beck*SandRat*FreeRepublic*Rush*Beck*SandRat)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bingo!


34 posted on 11/08/2007 9:10:24 AM PST by sauropod ("Nobody has time for your priceless prose. Get to the point." - Jim Michaels RIP 2007)
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To: rabscuttle385

My thoughts exactly. Klein shilling as hard as he can.


35 posted on 11/08/2007 9:55:36 AM PST by rod1
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To: vietvet67

“Clinton is a pragmatic moderate,”????...Good one, for a radical socialist!


36 posted on 11/08/2007 9:57:15 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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