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Ambush: Video Shows U.S. Troops Being Hunted, Killed
ABC News - The Blotter ^ | November 12, 2007 8:21 AM | Brian Ross

Posted on 11/12/2007 1:08:35 PM PST by james500

Dramatic new video shows how American soldiers in Afghanistan are being set up for deadly ambushes after trying to make peace with village elders in Taliban-controlled areas.

The effort to win the "hearts and minds" of village elders in the Korengal Valley of Kunar Province in Afghanistan has proved to be a dangerous one for U.S. troops, with elders often suspected of tipping Taliban fighters to the soldiers' schedule and whereabouts.

The video to be broadcast tonight on ABC News' "World News With Charles Gibson" and "Nightline" was shot by "Vanity Fair" contributing editor Sebastian Junger and photographer Tim Hetherington embedded with the 2nd Platoon, Battle (B) company of the 173rd Airborne on a joint assignment for ABC News and "Vanity Fair" magazine.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan
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1 posted on 11/12/2007 1:08:36 PM PST by james500
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To: james500

Words fail me.


2 posted on 11/12/2007 1:10:11 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: james500
The video to be broadcast tonight on ABC News' "World News With Charles Gibson" and "Nightline"

If it bleeds, it leads. Effing parasites.
3 posted on 11/12/2007 1:11:45 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: james500

Iraq’s not working out the way the MSM wants so its on to Afghanistan.


4 posted on 11/12/2007 1:11:50 PM PST by AU72
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To: AU72

Bingo.


5 posted on 11/12/2007 1:13:00 PM PST by MarMema
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To: reagan_fanatic

MSM = Fifth Column.


6 posted on 11/12/2007 1:13:07 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: james500

Why doesn’t ANYONE ask the “Vanity Fair” person why they didn’t STOP the person who was killing our troops?????

On Veteran’s Day...

God help us.


7 posted on 11/12/2007 1:13:07 PM PST by wpa_mikeb
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To: james500

Another Morale Booster for our enemies, brought to you by ABC News.


8 posted on 11/12/2007 1:13:15 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. "What happens if neutrinos have mass?")
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To: james500
shows how American soldiers in Afghanistan are being set up

I don't get it, are they for us or against us?

9 posted on 11/12/2007 1:13:27 PM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: wpa_mikeb

Exactly my thought. *heavy sigh*


10 posted on 11/12/2007 1:15:15 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: wpa_mikeb

***Why doesn’t ANYONE ask the “Vanity Fair” person why they didn’t STOP the person who was killing our troops?????***

Because somebody might have shot back at the blasted cowards. They are nothing but leaches, leaching off the blood of our brave troops.


11 posted on 11/12/2007 1:16:19 PM PST by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: wpa_mikeb
I recall many years ago a forum that was aired on television. One of the journalist asked, "If you were with the Vietcong during one of their missions and they were ready to ambush American soldiers, would you warn them?"

The consensus was it would be against the rules of journalism to do so.

12 posted on 11/12/2007 1:16:34 PM PST by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: AU72; Cannoneer No. 4; FreedomPoster

Yup. Gotta find the cloud around the silver lining. Enemedia at work ping....


13 posted on 11/12/2007 1:17:32 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: AU72
Dramatic new video shows how American soldiers in Afghanistan are being set up for deadly ambushes after trying to make peace with village elders in Taliban-controlled areas.

And why the heck doesnt' the news crew warn our guys?? Just sayin'.

14 posted on 11/12/2007 1:18:15 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: wpa_mikeb

EXACTLY


15 posted on 11/12/2007 1:18:30 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: mware

Against the rules of jouranlism....isn’t that incredible?

But, we’re not supposed to question their patriotism?

This is truly beyond sick for ABC.


16 posted on 11/12/2007 1:18:47 PM PST by wpa_mikeb
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To: wpa_mikeb

I think you know the answer ... Hate blinds.

Liberals appear to be more susceptible to BDS disease than normal human beings.


17 posted on 11/12/2007 1:19:24 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: james500
Happy Veteran's Day from your friends at ABC.

They support the Troops.

18 posted on 11/12/2007 1:19:35 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: james500
In the comments section.

Clintons fault!

Which Freeper did it? Step foward!

19 posted on 11/12/2007 1:19:49 PM PST by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: james500

This makes those “embeds” fair game as they participated in the killing our our troops.


20 posted on 11/12/2007 1:20:30 PM PST by mcshot (Missing my grade school desk which protected from nuclear blasts.)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
I don't get it, are they for us or against us?

Yep, it not the media who is killing the troops, it is our trusted friends who follow the koran.

21 posted on 11/12/2007 1:20:36 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: james500
I hate to say this, but those at the "top of the food chain" are too PC, and too stupid (a DEADLY combination, but it is our troops who end up dying) to realize you can win the hearts and minds of those cavemen by bashing in their brains ad kicking their asses until they realize your way is better.
22 posted on 11/12/2007 1:23:48 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: BenLurkin
"Vanity Fair" contributing editor Sebastian Junger and photographer Tim Hetherington embedded with the 2nd Platoon, Battle (B) company of the 173rd Airborne...

Looks like they were embedded with the Taliban instead....

23 posted on 11/12/2007 1:23:58 PM PST by Mopp4
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To: james500

How come they don’t have video of our Troops killing the bad guys? Must be too traumatic for them.


24 posted on 11/12/2007 1:24:53 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: StarCMC
I would have and would not take any junk from some news jockey. Most of the ones I have known or had the misfortune to be around are mostly all mouth and ego. If I were threatened, I would tell them they were going to be sued. I have seen that shut one or two up.

Most of the working people I have run into while in TV/video are pretty level headed types, unlike the overpaid/hyped talent.

25 posted on 11/12/2007 1:25:19 PM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair!)
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To: mware

That was Peter Jennings


26 posted on 11/12/2007 1:25:44 PM PST by Dog (My writer ISN'T on strike...)
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To: beltfed308
LOL!! I thought the same thing about this one...

What is ABC calling this the forgotten war? I haven't forgotten about it. It is ABC's choice whether or not to cover it. It was they who haven't been covering it, and with this lack of coverage THEY are the ones who have forgotten it. Now they are telling us that WE forgot it.

Posted by: Thor Zeneus | Nov 12, 2007 10:12:12 AM


27 posted on 11/12/2007 1:27:07 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: james500
someone please send this story to Mark Levin,Rush,Sean....
my anger will not allow me to.....I will not longer follow this thread,least I be banned
28 posted on 11/12/2007 1:28:40 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: mcshot

Ok. I *think* you guys are jumping the gun. I’ll wait to watch the video. It looks like these guys were embedded with the unit and have video of an attack. I dont see that it says this camera crew had word of an attack and filmed the soldiers getting ambushed from a safe location. Sebastian Junger (author of the book “the perfect storm”) was part of the film crew. I think this could be really an interesting story. I say this too as somebody who dislikes the media, and I am in the National Guard and looking at gettig deployed late next year.


29 posted on 11/12/2007 1:29:20 PM PST by RC30
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To: StarCMC
And this one....

Yet ANOTHER ABC LIE that gives aid & comfort to our enemies...ABC is a nest of traitors

Posted by: rex-baghdad | Nov 12, 2007 10:49:25 AM


30 posted on 11/12/2007 1:29:54 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: james500

Well one thing about our military it is an equal opportunity terrorist organization that is for sure.


31 posted on 11/12/2007 1:29:57 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: wpa_mikeb

Well besides the loathsome nature the journalsim they propaganda campaign is’nt working. Democrats are worried about the next election and their razor thin deep support. This whole WOT issue for them has been stepping in one pile of crap to another. The subprime loan crisis is too complicated to explain to most idiots walking around, people are’nt buying socialized medicine and most of str8 America has had it with the pink mafia(aka the Gay Lobby). The fleabag hippies who are foaming at the mouth libs and Hollywood just don’t add up to many votes. Even their anti-war movies are bombing, Lions for Lambs bombed at the box office making 1/4 the money that a movie about Santa Claus’ brother. Even Pittsburgh has the mayorial race a dead heat between a truely scuzzy incompetant riding the tails of another dead incompetant against a Republican who looks like he just graduated college.


32 posted on 11/12/2007 1:30:00 PM PST by pburgh01
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To: Dog
I thought it was, Jim. I think Donaldson was a part of the debate too. Wish that, that video was available.Any FReepers in their mid 50's should remember the debate. I was stunned when I listened to them.
33 posted on 11/12/2007 1:30:20 PM PST by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: mware

That was Ethics in America (I and II) (Annenberg CPB).

As I recall there was a Marine Major on the show who really chafed upon listening to Mike Wallace’s mealy-mouthed BS about the “duty of a journalist”.

The media turds came off looking like the clymers that they are.


34 posted on 11/12/2007 1:31:03 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: tomnbeverly

DUH... the media.... you see how hyped up I get with this insanity in the media... They should all be strung up for treason..


35 posted on 11/12/2007 1:31:34 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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To: BenLurkin
Words fail me.

Why? Is al taqqiya an unfamiliar concept?

36 posted on 11/12/2007 1:32:42 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: BenLurkin

Ben...take a few minutes and go read the comments on that site...ABC is getting their collective ass handed to them by the posters..


37 posted on 11/12/2007 1:33:02 PM PST by Dog (My writer ISN'T on strike...)
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To: mware
good memory..check out Col. Connell's reply:

On an edition of the PBS panel series Ethics in America, devoted to war coverage, which was taped at Harvard in late 1987, Wallace proclaimed that if he were traveling with enemy soldiers he would not warn U.S. soldiers of an impending ambush.

"Don't you have a higher duty as an American citizen to do all you can to save the lives of soldiers rather than this journalistic ethic of reporting fact?", moderator Charles Ogletree Jr. suggested.

Without hesitating, Wallace responded: "No, you don't have higher duty...you're a reporter."
When Brent Scrowcroft, the then-future National Security Adviser, argued that "you're Americans first, and you're journalists second,"

Wallace was mystified by the concept, wondering "what in the world is wrong with photographing this attack by [the imaginary] North Kosanese on American soldiers?"

George Connell, a Marine Corps Colonel, reacted with disdain: "I feel utter contempt. Two days later they're both walking off my hilltop, they're two hundred yards away and they get ambushed. And they're lying there wounded. And they're going to expect I'm going to send Marines up there to get them. They're just journalists, they're not Americans." The discussion concluded as Connell fretted: "But I'll do it. And that's what makes me so contemptuous of them. And Marines will die, going to get a couple of journalists."

38 posted on 11/12/2007 1:35:46 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: Triggerhippie

Thank you trigger. Now that you mention it I do recall the military officer and his comments regarding their ethics and journalism.


39 posted on 11/12/2007 1:36:29 PM PST by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: Triggerhippie
That is three FReeper who remember that show, and it was at least 30 years ago.
40 posted on 11/12/2007 1:37:58 PM PST by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: tomnbeverly
They should all be strung up for treason..

That's the only cure for this type of blasphemy...

41 posted on 11/12/2007 1:38:23 PM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: wpa_mikeb

If you have ever seen the Ethics in America show (PBS) dealing with the media and the military you wouldn’t ask this question. It was brought up in the discussion. One of the anchors said he’s warn the troops and when asked what he’d do next he said he’d do nothing since he’d be dead. Then another of the anchors castigated him up one side and down the other for wanting to warn the Americans. The first anchor thought about it and said something to the effect I wish I could answer that way but I can’t. A crusty Marine officer then made a comment about how the very next day that same reporter who wouldn’t warn the Americans would get in trouble with the enemy and call on the American military to bail him out and the American military would go because it’s their job. The press came off looking like the jerks they are except for the one anchor who would have died to warn the Americans.


42 posted on 11/12/2007 1:38:50 PM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: stylin19a

I’ll add more to the front end of that discussion because it illuminates their motivations:

http://www.11thcavnam.com/main/mike_wallce.htm

But while Jennings and his crew were traveling with a North Kosanese unit, to visit the site of an alleged atrocity by U.S. and South Kosanese troops, they unexpectedly crossed the trail of a small group of American and South Kosanese soldiers. With Jennings in their midst the Northern soldiers set up an ambush that would let them gun down the Americans and Southerners.

What would Jennings do? Would he tell his cameramen to “Roll tape!” as the North Kosanese opened fire? What would go through his mind as he watched the North Kosanese prepare to fire?

Jennings sat silent for about fifteen seconds. “Well, I guess I wouldn’t,” he finally said. “I am going to tell you now what I am feeling, rather than the hypothesis I drew for myself. If I were with a North Kosanese unit that came upon Americans, I think that I personally would do what I could to warn the Americans.”

Even if it meant losing the story? Ogletree asked.

Even though it would almost certainly mean losing my life, Jennings replied. “But I do not think that I could bring myself to participate in that act. That’s purely personal, and other reporters might have a different reaction.”

Ogletree turned for reaction to Mike Wallace, who immediately replied. “I think some other reporters would have a different reaction,” he said, obviously referring to himself. “They would regard it simply as another story they were there to cover.” A moment later Wallace said, “I am astonished, really.” He turned toward Jennings and began to lecture him: “You’re a reporter. Granted you’re an American” (at least for purposes of the fictional example; Jennings has actually retained Canadian citizenship). “I’m a little bit at a loss to understand why, because you’re an American, you would not have covered that story.”

Ogletree pushed Wallace. Didn’t Jennings have some higher duty to do something other than just roll film as soldiers from his own country were being shot?

“No,” Wallace said flatly and immediately. “You don’t have a higher duty. No. No. You’re a reporter!”

Jennings backtracked fast. Wallace was right, he said: “I chickened out.” Jennings said that he had “played the hypothetical very hard.”He had lost sight of his journalistic duty to remain detached.


43 posted on 11/12/2007 1:40:09 PM PST by james500
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To: Dog
ABC is getting their collective ass handed to them by the posters..

Yep - and it's a thing of beauty, IMNSHO.

44 posted on 11/12/2007 1:41:25 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: stylin19a
I don't know why but I began to cry after reading Col Connells comments.

George Connell, a Marine Corps Colonel, reacted with disdain: "I feel utter contempt. Two days later they're both walking off my hilltop, they're two hundred yards away and they get ambushed. And they're lying there wounded. And they're going to expect I'm going to send Marines up there to get them. They're just journalists, they're not Americans." The discussion concluded as Connell fretted: "But I'll do it. And that's what makes me so contemptuous of them. And Marines will die, going to get a couple of journalists."

45 posted on 11/12/2007 1:41:25 PM PST by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

“I am the slime on your video”.

BTW...turn it off.


46 posted on 11/12/2007 1:42:20 PM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: james500
News like this leads me to bust out this footage of our boys getting some payback
47 posted on 11/12/2007 1:43:48 PM PST by drew
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To: james500

I am putting that on my FR profile page — thank you!


48 posted on 11/12/2007 1:44:43 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: All

There does seem to be some misunderstanding about this article. As it reads, the ABC/VF cameramen are embedded with the 2nd Platoon, Battle (B) company of the 173rd Airborne.

There’s no indication that cameramen had any advance warning of the ambushes.

They put the pieces together that they were being set up by the elders. “one called to discuss details of a U.S.-financed water pipe project” and on the way out, they were ambushed.


49 posted on 11/12/2007 1:47:08 PM PST by james500
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To: james500
Wow amazing how that whole show comes back to me now.

Thanks for the post.

I could have sworn that Donaldson was involved in it. Too bad that Jennings backed down on his initial opinion.

50 posted on 11/12/2007 1:47:24 PM PST by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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