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Was Hitler a Christian? [Dinesh D'Souza rebuts atheist canard]
Townhall ^ | November 5, 2007 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 11/13/2007 9:33:06 AM PST by rhema

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1 posted on 11/13/2007 9:33:07 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema

Ugh, the atheists trying to inanely pin evil on Christianity. Guess what? The Devil was an angel at one point, too.

My other favorite is when they bring up the Inquisition as a comparison to the Muslim unrest going on in the world.

Nothing like going back several hundred years to have to make your point.


2 posted on 11/13/2007 9:38:18 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: rhema
Exactly. Hitler said there should be no book except "Mein Kampf" on the altar. It's also interesting that "Heil" is usually translated "hail," but a more precise definition is "holy." So whenever people shouted "Heil Hitler," they were affirming his DEITY!

I don't have the web site handy---the link is at my office---but the Nuremberg war trials produced extensive documentation about the establishment of the "Nazi church." Hitler needed the Christians to help him kill the Jews, but they were next in line!

3 posted on 11/13/2007 9:39:25 AM PST by LS
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To: rhema

I think Hitler was a satan wannabee - doesn’t mean he didn’t believe in God - only that he wished to choose the devil and inflict evil on the world.


4 posted on 11/13/2007 9:41:14 AM PST by tioga (Winter is coming soon.)
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To: rhema
An earmark of socialist totalitarian regimes is being anti-God.

Naziism was as bad as communism in their "socialistic" ideals...both inevitably steering for totalitarianism...the 2 just went about it in different ways.

5 posted on 11/13/2007 9:45:14 AM PST by what's up
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To: rhema

Hitler was no more a Christian than David Koresh or Fred Phelps. They used religion with speech as a tool for their own ends.


6 posted on 11/13/2007 9:49:57 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: LS
Bit of a stretch. "Heil" (archaic hail!) is not the same as "heilig" (holy) or "heiligen" (to bless). There are other similar words, such as heilen (to heal), Heilung (healing) and so forth.

Btw, the "Hail Mary" in German doesn't use "heil" - it uses "Gegrüßet seist du." (you are greeted).

With all that said, Hitler was definitely aiming at his own deification (look at all the rotten art where he's a stand-in for various semi-divine Germanic legendary figures). He wanted to get there via a manufactured quasi-Nordic pagan religion of his own creation, not Christianity. He had no use for Christianity in any form, seeing it as a mere derivation of Judaism and a creed for weaklings.

7 posted on 11/13/2007 9:51:33 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: rhema

The Nazis never were Christians. They sometimes used the cover of Christianity and other religions in their propaganda but they developed their own Pagan rituals for weddings, births and other important ceremonies. They also exterminated thousands of priests and millions of Christians in concentration camps.

The Nazis used any religion to further their power. For example, the Nazis raised two Muslim Waffen SS Divisions during the war. These were the only true “religious” SS Division the Nazis ever created (and it is safe to say that the Germany was not a Muslim nation). Himmler was fascinated by the thought of Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. One of these Muslim Waffen SS divisions (The Hanjer Division) was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape, and the time has come to expose it.

2banana


8 posted on 11/13/2007 9:51:36 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: LS

In that respect, Hitler was somewhat under the sway of Alfred Rosenberg, who was anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and an outspoken pagan. Rosenberg had put together a document of the thirty rules of a “National Reich Church,” which was completely anti-Christian (using Mein Kampf as a holy book, for example, and banning the Bible). But Hitler and the Nazis, on their way up and during their consolidation of power and the runup to 1939, had to couch their statements often in Christian rhetoric (such as “Nazism is positive Christianity”). For that, they leaned heavily on H.S. Chamberlain’s book “Foundations of the Nineteenth Century,” in which he maintained that Jesus Christ was an Aryan, not a Jew.

}:-)4


9 posted on 11/13/2007 9:56:38 AM PST by Moose4 (When all else fails, read the instructions.)
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To: rhema

Uh oh... not another ‘inconvenient truth’ for the secular leftists.


10 posted on 11/13/2007 9:58:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: rhema

To be a Christian you must follow Christ. Who can keep a straight face and say that Hitler did this?

Anyone can make a claim as to what they are, but it does not make it so.


11 posted on 11/13/2007 10:02:06 AM PST by Free Bee
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To: Slapshot68
one isn’t born into the Catholic, Orthodox, Methodist, etc. churches. One is initiated into the denomination and the universal church through baptism or whatever that religion requires.

Was Hitler a Christian? He was probably baptized as an infant, but the determinant is how a person lives his/her life. By their fruits you will know them.

12 posted on 11/13/2007 10:03:38 AM PST by elpadre
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To: rhema
Acts 11:23 and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Hitler a disciple or follower of Christ? I don't think so.

13 posted on 11/13/2007 10:06:08 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 2banana

This is a good one:

Hitler’s war on Christ: Joel Miller explores Nazi plan to eradicate the Church
January 12, 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/606793/posts


14 posted on 11/13/2007 10:07:19 AM PST by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: tioga

Good point. Believing in God is not the same thing as being a follower. Intellectual assent is not enough.


15 posted on 11/13/2007 10:07:58 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: rhema
Hitler's unflagging distaste for Christianity is made clear enough just in the diaries/memoirs of those who played the captive audience during "Grofaz's" mind-numbing evening diatribes at Rastenburg and elsewhere.

Mr. niteowl77

16 posted on 11/13/2007 10:11:45 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: rhema
Just because someone has their name on the roll at a church does not make him/her a Christian, any more than spending the night in a chicken coop makes one a chicken.

Matthew 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

17 posted on 11/13/2007 10:12:42 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: rhema

No mention of him being a Theosophist. He was the ultimate New Ager. He was into people like Alice A. Bailey and Madame Blavatsky. These people were the founders of what has emerged into the modern New Age movement. Do a search on the internet and see what comes up.

He was for all intents and purposes a Satanist.

Mel


18 posted on 11/13/2007 10:15:16 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: AnAmericanMother; LS
Bit of a stretch. "Heil" (archaic hail!) is not the same as "heilig" (holy) or "heiligen" (to bless). There are other similar words, such as heilen (to heal), Heilung (healing) and so forth.

Actually they're all derived from the same Old German root meaning "whole."

19 posted on 11/13/2007 10:18:27 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Certainly. But they mean very different things. I don’t think Hitler was thinking “holy” - I think he was thinking “archaic greeting to pagan overlord.”


20 posted on 11/13/2007 10:19:46 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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