Skip to comments.It's true: Iraq is a quagmire: But the real story is not something you have heard
Posted on 11/18/2007 7:55:35 PM PST by devere
We're floundering in a quagmire in Iraq. Our strategy is flawed, and it's too late to change it. Our resources have been squandered, our best people killed, we're hated by the natives and our reputation around the world is circling the drain. We must withdraw. No, I'm not channeling Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. I'm channeling Osama bin Laden, for whom the war in Iraq has been a catastrophe. Al-Qaida has been driven from every neighborhood in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Joseph Fil, the U.S. commander there, said Nov. 7... Forty-five al-Qaida leaders were killed or captured in October alone. Al-Qaida's support in the Muslim world has plummeted, partly because of the terror group's lack of success in Iraq, more because al-Qaida's attacks have mostly killed Muslim civilians. "Iraq has proved to be the graveyard, not just of many al-Qaida operatives, but of the organization's reputation as a defender of Islam," said StrategyPage... You may not be aware of the calamities that have befallen al-Qaida, because our news media have paid scant attention to them... Rich Lowry agrees. "The United States may be the only country in world history that reverse-propagandizes itself, magnifying its setbacks and ignoring its successes so that nothing can disturb ... the 'narrative of defeat,'". If what Mr. Peters, Mr. Benedetto and Mr. Lowry suspect is true, it must have pained The Associated Press to see a correspondent write Wednesday: "The trend toward better security is indisputable." It'll be interesting to see which newspapers run the AP story, and where in the paper they place it. "We've won the war in the real Iraq, but few people in America are familiar with anything other than its make-believe version," said the Mudville Gazette's "Greyhawk," a soldier currently serving his second tour in Iraq.
(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...
I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast. William Tecumseh Sherman
“on 9/11 we were attacked mainly by Saudis”
More than just the Saudis were trained at Salman Pak just so that is clear.
Inspector’s Report Bolsters Credibility of Iraqi Intelligence Documents
By Scott Wheeler
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 13, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - A report issued on Oct. 6 by the CIA’s chief inspector in Iraq provides details that corroborate information contained in 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by CNSNews.com.
The so-called Duelfer report, named for its author, Charles Duelfer, is widely recognized for declaring that no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. Other details of the report, however, provide a glimpse of what some Iraq experts say is Saddam’s attempt to continue to wage war against the U.S. after the first Gulf War ended.
“M14 ... was responsible for training and conducting special operations missions. It trained Iraqis, Palestinians, Syrians, Yemeni, Lebanese, Egyptian, and Sudanese operatives in counterterrorism, explosives, marksmanship, and foreign operations at its facilities at Salman Pak,” the Duelfer report states.
Salman Pak is a suspected Iraqi terrorist training camp located 15 miles southeast of Baghdad.
M14 is a reference to Iraqi intelligence directorate of special operations. The Iraqi documents obtained by CNSNews.com show a list of 92 individuals of various national origins who were described in the documents as having “finished the course at M14.”
The documents also refer to some individuals on the list as having been trained “inside the martyrs act camp that belonged to our directorate.”
Laurie Mylroie, an expert on Iraq, said that sections of the Duelfer report help to explain Iraq’s intent for the programs discussed in the 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by CNSNews.com.
“At the time of the 2003 Gulf War, this is what the Iraqis were doing,” Mylroie told CNSNews.com. “That section of the [Duelfer] report dealing with the Iraqi intelligence service, including M14, very much corroborate the legitimacy and significance” of the 42 pages of Iraqi documents, Mylroie added.
On Oct. 4, CNSNews.com reported that it had obtained 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents that showed Saddam had been a state sponsor of terrorism against the U.S., had several ties to al Qaeda that had not been previously reported, and possessed anthrax and mustard gas.
What a bunch of crap.
Yep. Journalists were once hard nosed, hard driving, hard drinking cynics of the first degree. Now journalism is just another fag profession.
Sucks to be them, don't it? ;o)
That 'terrorist fly paper' thing is working out quite well, I'd say!
that isn’t necessary if you skip lines where you want the next paragraph to start. And clink on the link!
When U.S. troop deaths hit a monthly high in April, that was front-page news in most major newspapers, Mr. Benedetto noted. But when U.S. troop deaths fell in October to their lowest levels in 17 months, that news was buried on page A-14 of The Washington Post and mentioned on Page A-12 in The New York Times. (The Post-Gazette put the story on the front page.)
"I asked the class if burying or ignoring the story indicated an anti-war bias on the part of the editors or their papers," Mr. Benedetto said. "While some students said yes ... most attributed the decision to poor news judgment. They were being generous."
What is the chance you would ever here this taught and discussed at the Columbia School of Journalism?
Goebels would be proud of PravdABDNC-BS for their distorting of the war.
Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops
I am sorry, but I cannot ignore this comment. I think it makes us feel better, but it is a senseless argument. You cannot make an argument like that without declaring war against billions of otherwise moderate muslims. I know, I know, I have seen it a hundred times on these forums these statements that "there are no moderate muslims". Well, events on the ground in Iraq are putting the lie to that in rather dramatic fashion. Muslims fighting right alongside us and dying in much greater numbers that we are in trying to get al Qaeda operatives killed or driven out of their neighborhoods. There is a moderate muslim community but it just had not revealed any motivation or capacity for revulsion of the extremist -- until now. So, the moment a Tom Tancredo or someone like him gets into a position of power makes a statement like this, how do you think that might strike our moderate muslim allies we have worked so hard for four years to develop?
History Channel has gone into the toilet. It used to be the only thing I watched but now I rarely check it out. They’ve pretty much given up on history and now seem to be a clone of the Discovery channel.
It is for the left
“I talked to my nephew, who is home on leave from al-Tikrit (Saddams home town). He said that the locals are starting to take out the al-Queda operatives one by one; they find bodies on the street nearly every morning.”
Thanks for sharing this good news from your nephew. Our prayers are with him and his unit. I posted the comment below a few minutes before you posted your reply.
To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; SandRat; Seadog Bytes; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; Ernest_at_the_Beach
It is fairly obvious that the good Iraqi people have had enough and are supplying our side with real time/specific info re the al Qaeda serial killers still alive in Iraq.
We will probably see articles before the end of the year telling us about the Good Iraqi people taking matters in their own hands and removing these al Qaeda serial killers in Iraq.”
55 posted on 11/19/2007 8:17:42 AM PST by Grampa Dave ((”Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!”- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007))
.liberals in a quagmire
Heck of a way run a quagmire..
Not only do I agree, but destroying a city with no military objectives, indeed with cultural and religious items in it, is a direct violation of the laws of war. Americans don’t do that.
Duncan Hunter is the only candidate with any military service and the military just finished whacking the Dems over the head on all fronts.
Connect the dots home boy!
“The Clinton appointed 5th column at CIA that produced Plame/Wilson has been defeated.
The MSM and its propaganda machine has been defeated.
The Traitorous Democrat Reps in the House have been defeated.
Michael Moore and his leftist whackos have been defeated
And Islamofascism has been defeated in the ME.
These were all defeated by a bunch of volunteer kids who could carry rifles, shoot straight, and love their country enough to put their collective lives on the line. They have done it all.”
All lies. You’re too stupid to see the dots. Homely boy.
This article was a topic on the Rush Limbaugh show today.