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Hillary Clinton -- Ominous Signs of Cracks in The Foundation.
Vanity Press ^ | 11-20-07 | cww

Posted on 11/20/2007 7:19:50 PM PST by CWW

Call me a skeptic, but I don’t see Hillary Clinton as the eventual democrat party nominee for President. Although she may have a well oiled campaign machine, she is still an unlikable person, and unlikable people do not generally win the presidency. I have always believed that next to ideology, likeability is a key factor to election success. Americans want to like their President. Mrs. Clinton is simply not likeable, and as this campaign progresses rapidly over the next two months, the thinness of her support will become self-evident.

We already can see some of the tell-tale signs. For example, Barak Obama has recently pulled ahead of Clinton in two Iowa caucus polls, with opposing voters citing her lack of trustworthiness. Incredibly, Obama even outpolled Hillary among women in one recent Iowa poll.

Second, and more significantly, I heard Larry Sabato comment today that Hillary has not broken the 30% number in any national poll among democrats. Let me repeat – Hillary barely has the support of 30% of her own party. This, in my opinion, is critical evidence showing that Hillary has a glass jaw and her support is a thin as cheap egg drop soup.

Everything about her campaign is tightly controlled and micromanaged. There are not unguarded moments; no impromptu press conferences; no extemporaneous speeches. She is a robot with a script and comes across as such. And the more you see of her, the less you like. She simply does not wear well over time.

Obama will likely win Iowa, and that, my friends, will result in a week of headlines questioning the conventional wisdom of Hillary’s coronation. Hillary obviously fears this result and has started dumping more money and resources into the State to shore up her support. Can you imagine the headlines the morning after the Iowa caucus if Hillary loses Iowa (and the women’s vote) to Obama?!! No matter how she tries to marginalize any loss in Iowa, the new story will be her perceived lack of invincibility.

Clearly, if Iowa turns, then there is a strong chance that New Hampshire will turn for Obama too. The polls in that state are already tightening. She basically has a 10 to 13 point lead, but again can only seem to garner 36% of the democrat vote.

Momentum is an amazing thing. Ask Howard Dean, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Despite Hillary Clinton’s lead among democrats in national polls, the nomination must be won state by state. And Iowa and New Hampshire may spell the beginning of the end for Hillary. There is a tinge of blood in the water, and the media sharks and democrat party operatives know it. Hillary is simply is not likeable.


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Don't be surprised if Clinton loses the nomination.
1 posted on 11/20/2007 7:19:52 PM PST by CWW
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To: CWW

Egads, another thread on Hillary’s compound make-up techniques?


2 posted on 11/20/2007 7:21:38 PM PST by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: CWW
What a nauseating mental image THAT headline projects.
3 posted on 11/20/2007 7:21:53 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: CWW

Run Hillary Run!


4 posted on 11/20/2007 7:22:33 PM PST by PGalt
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To: CWW
She simply does not wear well over time.

I could have done without that line. too.

5 posted on 11/20/2007 7:23:45 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: Cvengr

Chapter 2- How to apply foundation

6 posted on 11/20/2007 7:23:46 PM PST by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: All

Whenever Hillary speaks to an audience, the audience have their mouths gaping open, drooling, looking like braindead zombies.


7 posted on 11/20/2007 7:25:08 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: CWW
The only thing that is saving Hillary! is that there are two-and-a-half anti-Hillary! candidates in the Democrat Primary. Once that begins to shake up, and the anti-Hillary! vote gravitates to main challenger, Hillary! could be in real trouble.

Nobody is pulling the lever for Edwards, Obama or Richardson because they like any of these guys. They are all just voting against Hillary!.

8 posted on 11/20/2007 7:25:37 PM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: Cvengr

Aw, not right before bedtime... thanks in advance for the nightmares!


9 posted on 11/20/2007 7:26:14 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: CWW
Sarah Palin. The first woman that people want for President

10 posted on 11/20/2007 7:26:41 PM PST by ari-freedom (Scientific consensus is formed by the public schools and government grants.)
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To: Cvengr

11 posted on 11/20/2007 7:26:45 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: CWW
"Hillary Clinton -- Ominous Signs of Cracks in The Foundation."

What a disgusting thought.

12 posted on 11/20/2007 7:27:26 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: CWW

I would be very surprised. She is a lock no matter how the MSM tries to spin it. And the MSM continues its 2 to 1 coverage of the Dem race making the Rep primary almost an after thought. Mission accomplished.


13 posted on 11/20/2007 7:27:57 PM PST by kabar
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To: gridlock

I agree — Obama will benefit from Edwards’ ultimate demise. Democrat voters have known Hillary for at least 16 years. If they don’t support her now, then Obama stands to pick up those votes as the field narrows.


14 posted on 11/20/2007 7:29:47 PM PST by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: Cvengr

All but the 3rd or 4th ex-wife-style screeching.


15 posted on 11/20/2007 7:30:55 PM PST by BobS (I><P>)
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To: kabar

That’s what they said about Howard Dean until he made an ass of himself in Iowa, literally!


16 posted on 11/20/2007 7:31:19 PM PST by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: CWW

She will go for veep when her polling tells her to...


17 posted on 11/20/2007 7:32:05 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they have to)
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To: CWW

O’Bama says the Big O (Oprah) is going to campaign for him in Iowa. That should do it for him. Hillary’s baggage is weighing her down, and the press doesn’t seem to be as afraid of her. There is more to come, I hope.


18 posted on 11/20/2007 7:35:47 PM PST by casino66 ( If I vote Dem I'll get everything 'free')
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To: Pharmboy

If I were nominated, I wouldn’t want hillary for my Veep, would you?

Life could be very short.


19 posted on 11/20/2007 7:35:54 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pharmboy

Never!
She will do the “ultimate sacrifice”....whatever that may be to try and get the Oval Office.
Nobody is safe at this point.


20 posted on 11/20/2007 7:36:11 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: ari-freedom
NOT GUILTY!!!!!!

21 posted on 11/20/2007 7:36:11 PM PST by jdm
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To: Cicero

Hillary/Spitzer ‘08.

Go team!

/sarc


22 posted on 11/20/2007 7:36:57 PM PST by jdm
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To: CWW
I've been thinking about this for a long time and I do not think Hillary is the worst of the lot. Okay when I start to think of Willey and Broaddrick then I have to acknowledge she may have the coldest and meanest heart of the lot. But poltiically speaking, I think she is too much like her husband in that she will bend when public opinion goes against her ideology because she loves power more than anything. I could be wrong. She could be the principled one in the family. But with Bill we got stuff like Welfare Reform. It's something.

I think Kucinich and Obama are tied for the worst of the bunch. Second, Edwards. Third Biden.

If I could pick I would choose Dodd. Okay he stinks, but less offensively than the others. Second would be Richardson, though my gut says he is unprincipled. I guess unprincipled in an opponent who disagrees with you on everything is the only hope you have. He might stab his own in the back once in awhile.

Gravel cannot be taken seriously.

Hillary is somewhere in the middle, probably after Richardson. Except that I think she has a criminal mind and that's scary. Still, all eyes will be on her and she is hated enough by the right that they won't let her get by with anything.

If Hillary wins I will grieve for Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick more than I will for the race before us.

23 posted on 11/20/2007 7:39:44 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: CWW

What Hillary has going for her is that the two other options are even worse. Hillary isnt likeable, but at least she knows how to position yourself to win an election, and she understands that an election is a war, its not a debating society.

Thats why she’ll end up being the nominee. She is a poor candidate (although being a woman is a wild card). But with the shape the republican party is in she still may be able to win. I dont think you could say that in any other year.


24 posted on 11/20/2007 7:41:22 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: CWW
I don’t see Hillary Clinton as the eventual democrat party nominee for President. Although she may have a well oiled campaign machine, she is still an unlikable person, and unlikable people do not generally win the presidency.

I agree. That is why I am hoping she holds it together long enough to take the nomination. She is the most unelectable democrat in the race. The only way the republicans can win in 2008 is if they face Hillary. Many "moderate" dems will sit on the sidelines.

25 posted on 11/20/2007 7:41:25 PM PST by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: acapesket

Cracks for crusty!!! oh the humanity!! too funny.


26 posted on 11/20/2007 7:43:38 PM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: outofstyle

I don’t really see her as unelectable. She has the power of The Bill behind her. For some reason I will never understand, Bill Clinton is to the Demcrats like Ronald Reagan is to us.


27 posted on 11/20/2007 7:46:03 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: CWW
clintons cheat.

28 posted on 11/20/2007 7:47:53 PM PST by bannie
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Bill Clinton is to the Demcrats like Ronald Reagan is to us.

I'm going to puke now. :-)

29 posted on 11/20/2007 7:48:46 PM PST by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: Cvengr

LOL! Even before I read your caption, all I could see in that picture was that spackled on makeup.

30 posted on 11/20/2007 7:49:31 PM PST by bannie
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To: OmegaMan
But with the shape the republican party is in she still may be able to win.

That's it exactly. Our weakness is their biggest strength. I say that as one who firmly believes we have nearly destroyed ourselves by valuing power over principle. In the end it will never work because compromise always eventually leads to everyone hating you. So we won't solve our problems by bullying everyone into voting for our guy just because he isn't the other guy.

31 posted on 11/20/2007 7:51:01 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: CWW
Barak Obama has recently pulled ahead of Clinton in two Iowa caucus polls, with opposing voters citing her lack of trustworthiness. Incredibly, Obama even outpolled Hillary among women in one recent Iowa poll

And, now, Oprah is on her way to Iowa to campaign for Obama. Look for his lead to widen.

Poor little John Edwards; nobody's sayin' anything about him these days. Bless his poor, little, hypocrite-smile and phony, heart. /s
32 posted on 11/20/2007 7:51:25 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Personally, I would like to see Hillary win the democrat nomination because I think she will not wear well over a long campaign and will falter under the pressure. The media is already starting to gripe about her inaccessibility (whether they'll do anything other than gripe is another issue). However, I fear that Hillary may have peaked too early and could let the nomination slip through her hands.

Look to see the level of civility between Hillary and Obama rapidly deteriorate over the next month.

33 posted on 11/20/2007 7:53:54 PM PST by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: no dems

And Hillary will not reap the Edwards’ voters. They hate her too!


34 posted on 11/20/2007 7:55:04 PM PST by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: bannie

This photo of her looks like something a mortician would do to a body in the casket. LOOK AT IT! Tell me I’m wrong!

And I agree about the likeability factor, which she will never have. She who must be feared also cannot be trusted. Who would trust her?


35 posted on 11/20/2007 7:58:06 PM PST by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: no dems
Poor little John Edwards; nobody's sayin' anything about him these days. Bless his poor, little, hypocrite-smile and phony, heart. /s

Good! In my opinion this pathetic weenie is the most dangerous Dem. He reminds me of Jimmie Carter & I think he could win in the general election.

36 posted on 11/20/2007 7:58:27 PM PST by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: CWW


RUSH: Now, I want to continue this Hillary analysis. She's in a real fight, and this was never part of the plan. The plan was to make it look like she was in a fight, to counter the inevitability, to show her as having strength, and force, and power, and commitment, and all that rot. But now she's really, really in a fight, and it didn't take a lot for it to happen. She's gotta big problem, folks, she is a bad candidate. Despite all this talk, the Drive-Bys on how disciplined she is, and how on-message she is, she's a bad candidate, and she's a bad candidate because she's not likable. She has a terrible delivery. She is a radical trying to conceal her radicalism, exactly as I told Martha MacCallum yesterday. She's trying to do everything she can to keep people from finding out what her real agenda is. That makes her appear like a flip-flopper and somebody who's unsure of herself à la this driver's licenses for illegals, and even that Las Vegas debate. The whole thing was a sop to Clinton. You have Carville, who works at CNN, Begala, who works at CNN, you have six Democrat operatives as question plants, while we're being told that they are undecided, independent voters and so forth. There were no hard questions from the moderators at all.

What Hillary is going for here is her party's apparatus. She wants to secure the power of the Democrat Party's apparatus and have that guarantee her the nomination rather than actually winning it in votes. She's gotta do both but the apparatus is who turns out votes for people. They're the ones who have the walking-around money. The apparatus is going to make sure that certain cauci caucis go to the cauci, you know, and caucus when they get to the cauci. She and her henchmen control the Democrat Party, Podesta's group, Media Matters for America, they control the party apparatus. Bill Clinton and Clinton, Inc. She's a poor candidate, despite the claim that she's disciplined and all that, and she knows she's a poor candidate. This is the dirty little secret, which is why she limits press contact. It's why she's raising a fortune for propaganda commercials so she doesn't have to do anything in person that actually reaches out and connects with people. (cont.)

"Inevitable" Hillary Takes Big Hit; Too Divisive, Too Many Negatives
37 posted on 11/20/2007 8:00:12 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: CWW
Hillary doesn't need "likeability." She has cornered the market on number of things that will give her the nomination, and quite possibly the presidency:

1. Media.
The fawning MSM will do everything to insure that she wins. (Remember how Dan Rather tried to prevent Bush from getting elected--twice.)

2. Cheating.
Why pander for votes the old-fashioned way when you can cheat? The Dems are experts at it and are going to pull out all stops this time around.

3. Third party candidates.
Expect the Dems to encourage this. Hillary can't win with a simple majority. It's much easier to siphon votes away from the competition.

4. Fear-mongering.
Expect them to employ this tactic to the max, just like in previous campaigns. It is really Hillary that people should and do fear, for good reason.

5. Mudslinging, Hypocrisy, Untouchability.
Hillary will play dirty politics, all the while insisting that she is not. If anyone calls her on it, or gives her a taste of her own medicine, she will play the victim card.

38 posted on 11/20/2007 8:01:17 PM PST by wai-ming
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Bill is her ace in the hole. Alot of people will vote for her thinking that he’ll actually be running things behind the scenes.


39 posted on 11/20/2007 8:02:58 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan
Bill is her ace in the hole. A lot of people will vote for her thinking that he’ll actually be running things behind the scenes.



Clinton Donations, Pardons, Papers
40 posted on 11/20/2007 8:07:30 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: bannie
Yes, clintons cheat. That is the reason I think hillary may be our next president.
41 posted on 11/20/2007 8:12:01 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Hunterite

Gee, you dont suppose they bussed them in do you.Never underestimate the witch to fake all this.


42 posted on 11/20/2007 8:14:39 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Cvengr

Jeez, I’ve seen corpses with a lot less makeup.


43 posted on 11/20/2007 8:21:24 PM PST by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Yes. Bad as hillary is, several of the Democrats in the race are even worse.

It’s like the familiar conundrum for conservatives: Who was the worst president in US history, bill clinton or jimmy carter?

Clinton may have been a rapist, a murderer, a drug smuggler, a gangster, a traitor who sold nuclear secrets to China, but arguably Jimmy Carter was even worse than that. Jimmy Carter was the guy who handed over Iran to the terrorists and kicked off the resurgence of Muslim extremism. Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal. Jimmy Carter gave nukes to North Korea, under bill clinton’s supervision. Jimmy Carter presided over hyperinflation and the first energy crisis. Jimmy carter never saw a Communist dictator he didn’t love. And so on.

Kucinich would be worse than hillary, probably, and so would Osama Obama.


44 posted on 11/20/2007 8:21:56 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CWW

Even her husband ain’t too fond of her. I mean look at some of the things he’s said. LOL


45 posted on 11/20/2007 8:22:15 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Humble Servant

At least they sew the lips of the corpse before display.


46 posted on 11/20/2007 8:34:09 PM PST by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: CWW

I’ve never seen her as the nominee. To me, they HAVE to nominate an antiwar candidate. A real one. Unless Algore gets in, I think it’ll be Obama. Good news for the GOP.


47 posted on 11/20/2007 8:48:37 PM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Miss Didi

Seems like Rush was singing a different tune about Hillary not so long ago, but maybe I’m wrong.


48 posted on 11/20/2007 8:49:20 PM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: CWW

I agree with the point that Hillary is very unlikable. And for that precise reason, I’ve told countless people that she will lose specifically BECAUSE she started her campaign much too early. 18 months of Hillary? Gag me with a spoon!


49 posted on 11/20/2007 9:00:50 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: PGalt

“Run Hillary Run!”

I have that sticker on my front bumper.


50 posted on 11/20/2007 9:02:22 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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