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The Court and the Second Amendment
New York Times ^ | 21 nov 07

Posted on 11/21/2007 5:09:14 AM PST by rellimpank

By agreeing yesterday to rule on whether provisions of the District of Columbia’s stringent gun control law violate the Second Amendment to the Constitution, the Supreme Court has inserted itself into a roiling public controversy with large ramifications for public safety. The court’s move sowed hope and fear among supporters of reasonable gun control, and it ratcheted up the suspense surrounding the court’s current term.

The hope, which we share, is that the court will rise above the hard-right ideology of some justices to render a decision respectful of the Constitution’s text and the violent consequences of denying government broad room to regulate guns. The fear is that it will not.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; heller; parker; scotus
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To: rellimpank
A lot has changed since the nation’s founding, when people kept muskets to be ready for militia service. What has not changed is the actual language of the Constitution. To get past the first limiting clauses of the Second Amendment to find an unalienable individual right to bear arms seems to require creative editing.

As usual, the NYT has the story wrong, following their long standing editorial policy not to let hard facts get in the way of their editorial bias. The wording of the Second Amendment is as relevant today as it was 200+ years ago.

The Framers of the Constitution knew very well what they were doing when they wrote the Second Amendment and wrote it the way they intended. It is only the idiot liberals who fail to connect the dots and understand that if all of the law-abiding people were to give up private ownership of their guns, we would all be at the mercy of the government and the criminals (no difference between them).

21 posted on 11/21/2007 6:06:28 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: uncbob

In addition the court could rule it is an individual right protected to insure the states could have militias but since the states no longer have militias it is obsolete

Unfortunately as one justice in the past stated “The Constitution is what we say it is “

Look for a ruling as convoluted and dangerous as Roe Vs Wade on this one

I ain’t optimistic


22 posted on 11/21/2007 6:07:32 AM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: rellimpank
A must read!

Grammatical Analysis of 2nd amendment, 1991

Excerpt:

"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

23 posted on 11/21/2007 6:20:01 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: rellimpank
respectful of the Constitution’s text and the violent consequences of denying government broad room to regulate guns.

And just what part of "Right of The People" and "shall not be infringed" confers or fails to limit the "broad room" of the government to "regulate guns".

Of course they don't really want to regulate guns, in the sense that word was historically used with respect to guns, or timepieces for that matter, but rather to infringe upon the right of the people to keep (have, possesses, own) and bear(carry and use) arms". Now that is a definite no-no, and makes them some of those domestic enemies I seem to remember taking an oath to defend the Constitution against ... several times in fact.

24 posted on 11/21/2007 6:21:41 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: randita
The NYT is equating an outright ban on gun ownership with “regulation”. They two are not the same.

To the New York Times they are one and the same.
25 posted on 11/21/2007 6:22:02 AM PST by Cheburashka (DUmmieland = Opus Dopium. In all senses of the word dope.)
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To: shekkian

those sentences show that they are really afraid theyre gonna lose on this thing.

It should give us all hope.


26 posted on 11/21/2007 6:22:13 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: mouser
Already they want the sheep to believe that the ruling could cause blood to run in the streets

If the ruling goes the way the NYT wants it to, it could, as that could mean the time to press the reset button had arrived.

27 posted on 11/21/2007 6:23:30 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: BufordP
"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

Well, that makes it pretty clear than only state schools have the right to own books. < /lib mode>

28 posted on 11/21/2007 6:27:38 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: KarlInOhio

LOL!


29 posted on 11/21/2007 6:30:02 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: BufordP

—good one—I had lost that article in a computer change—thanks—


30 posted on 11/21/2007 6:31:01 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Pistolshot
It will be a narrowly defined judgement against the DC law, but will not change any of exisiting laws made regarding the 'several states'.

Ah but you see they can't even rule on whether the DC code violates second amendment rights, until they define who has such rights, and to some degree what they are. That alone would be a huge step, in whichever direction they take.

31 posted on 11/21/2007 6:32:26 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: rellimpank

I think that article/analysis provides the single best refutation to the claim that the 2nd Amendment applies only to the militia.


32 posted on 11/21/2007 6:37:39 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: rellimpank
................ ................ Look at this image, and listen to this music ................ ................. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~taierip/imperial_march.mp3
33 posted on 11/21/2007 6:50:14 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~taierip/imperial_march.mp3

Why does the text never return when I put an image in? It buggers up the link.


34 posted on 11/21/2007 6:51:37 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite
****Why does the text never return when I put an image in? It buggers up the link.****

You're not formatting the HTML code properly for what you're trying to do.

35 posted on 11/21/2007 7:15:36 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Exactly.

To this line...

“A decision that upends needed gun controls currently in place around the country would imperil the lives of Americans.”

...I say - PROVE IT.


36 posted on 11/21/2007 7:26:01 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: shekkian

Did you READ that quote?

The NYT is saying that being “respectful of the Constitution’s text” is something that they oppose!

Quite an admission, though we already knew this about the left...


37 posted on 11/21/2007 7:28:42 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: hiredhand; SLB; Squantos; CoonDogPhilosophy; RonPaulLives; verity

Bttttttttt

Can’t wait to hear the outcome of this


38 posted on 11/21/2007 7:29:28 AM PST by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: Hunterite
Use this just after the img src= thingy (take out the empty spaces...)
< br > for a line break or wrap.
< p > for a break with an empty space between...
39 posted on 11/21/2007 7:29:54 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: BufordP
"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."
I want that on a bumper sticker.
40 posted on 11/21/2007 7:30:55 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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