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STAT:Stop Taser Abuse Today
Stop Tasers.org ^ | 11/20/2007 | STAT

Posted on 11/23/2007 7:47:05 PM PST by Revtwo

STAT! is a U.S. campaign to curb law enforcement's use and abuse of Tasers and equip local organizers with tools to take action in their own communities. This website serves as a clearinghouse for individuals and communities concerned about Tasers and Taser International and the danger they pose to our safety and our human rights


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1 posted on 11/23/2007 7:47:05 PM PST by Revtwo
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To: Revtwo

SBAT? anyone ????


2 posted on 11/23/2007 7:48:29 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: Revtwo

Don’t taze me bro.


3 posted on 11/23/2007 7:48:31 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Revtwo

Yeah, cops should get rid of tazars and just pistol whip suspects.


4 posted on 11/23/2007 7:50:36 PM PST by Lucas McCain (The day may come when the courage of men will fail, but not this day.)
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To: Revtwo

BUMP


5 posted on 11/23/2007 7:53:12 PM PST by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: Revtwo
The Taser has got to go.

It has been obvious to me for many years the police nationwide overuse the Taser Stun Gun.
The number of uses per year by large city departments is shockingly high in the many hundreds. The stun gun is not a substitute for the actual gun; it’ a substitute for the baton and mace. I believe the police are too quick to use what they consider a nonlethal weapon. When it turns deadly or they use it as the Lee County cops did in 2005 stunning an old man on camera; it reflects badly on all cops.
Many of the Taser deaths nationwide have been related to drug use by the suspect, so we shouldn't’t be too quick to condemn the individual patrolman for each incident that goes wrong.
The solution to this problem is simple and should be attacked from two directions. First the police should go back to busting heads with batons. Second the federal government should require warning labels on illegal drugs; “If you use this drug, running from the police may be fatal.”

6 posted on 11/23/2007 7:53:15 PM PST by Defendingliberty (www.gulagthebear.com, www.DraconEarthsavers.org)
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To: Defendingliberty

Thanks for putting it in perspective!

DK


7 posted on 11/23/2007 7:57:29 PM PST by Dark Knight
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To: Revtwo

OK, lets go back to the .38


8 posted on 11/23/2007 7:59:22 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Defendingliberty

“If you use this drug, running from the police may be fatal.”

Good point. LOL


9 posted on 11/23/2007 7:59:58 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney, For reply, send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DNC.)
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To: Revtwo
I own a Taser C2 and I know exactly what it feels like. If you wish to take this non lethal device from the police then you are already a liberal Weenis and there is no hope for your salvation.
10 posted on 11/23/2007 8:04:28 PM PST by badpacifist (They say your head can be a prison Then, these are just conjugal visits.)
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To: Revtwo

Thomas A. Smith’s Electric Rifle *ping*


11 posted on 11/23/2007 8:06:17 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: Lucas McCain

Cops are too eager and quick to use tazers because they have been told they are harmless. But we have seen from dozens and dozens news stories of people dying from being tazed that it is far from harmless. I’ll bet more people die from being tazed by the police than from being shot by them.


12 posted on 11/23/2007 8:07:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Revtwo

If a cop can us a taser on me and call it “non lethal”, then I when I use it on a cop, it should be merely “resisting arrest”.

Fair is fair.


13 posted on 11/23/2007 8:08:53 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Revtwo
This is a shocking development.
14 posted on 11/23/2007 8:10:19 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Revtwo

I went to the website and read their so-called facts. It seems to me that the main reason they don’t like Tasers is that they are too effective. If I were a protester intent on lobbing bottles and rocks, I would want Tasers banned as well. Their video of “peaceful” protesters being Tased is actually a bunch of violent anarchists with their faces covered. If a protest is peaceful, there is no need to cover your face.


15 posted on 11/23/2007 8:14:22 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: badpacifist

Then everyone should own weapons that fire barbed hooks into flesh (not to mention electrocutions and heart attacks). It will be fun.

We “have such sights to show you.”


16 posted on 11/23/2007 8:18:35 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: Revtwo

this is ridiclous. Read my other posts to see my point.


17 posted on 11/23/2007 8:19:53 PM PST by thefactor
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To: Revtwo

The liberal whining and anti-police posts on this thread is the only thing that is shocking.


18 posted on 11/23/2007 8:21:21 PM PST by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: domenad

If cops are the good guys, why do they cover their faces?

Could it be because they don’t want to be identified when they use excessive force during their ‘dynamic entry’ raids on the wrong house?


19 posted on 11/23/2007 8:26:51 PM PST by Harvey105
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To: familyop

cenobite bump, rofl.


20 posted on 11/23/2007 8:29:15 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Revtwo

I work in healthcare and we have to face angry and sometimes violent people. We deal with these people the old-fashioned way - no one has offered us tasers for enforcing compliance or self-protection.
It seems to me like the police are the ones who are the weenies.


21 posted on 11/23/2007 8:33:33 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Revtwo

I agree, let’s just shoot the perps with real bullets instead.

btw, is that ozone I smell?


22 posted on 11/23/2007 8:34:27 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: Revtwo



23 posted on 11/23/2007 8:37:36 PM PST by JRios1968 (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will. - Ben Stein)
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To: Old Sarge; darkwing104

Don’t PING me, bro...


24 posted on 11/23/2007 8:38:28 PM PST by JRios1968 (Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will. - Ben Stein)
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To: Harvey105

Using a taser on the street and the subject of ‘dynamic entry’ raids is seperate and should be viewed seperately.

Tasers give cops a less lethal option at a distance greater than one foot past their hand. The problem is that tasers are not currently in the threat/response matrix that would dictate when to use them. Once that issue is resolved, and it will be done in case studies more than in court, then we will see a better employment of tasers. The weapon isn’t the problem. The problem is a current gap in officer training.

For reference, my dad is a retired law enforcement officer who was a training manager and a field training officer with his department. We had this exact conversation.


25 posted on 11/23/2007 8:42:09 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: badpacifist

There is no such thing as a “non-lethal” weapon. Even ones that are designed to be are lethal under the right conditions. Less-lethal weapons is a better name.


26 posted on 11/23/2007 8:43:48 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: Revtwo

Go back to nightsticks and leather saps.


27 posted on 11/23/2007 8:48:28 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: Revtwo

We gotta have Tasers. The cop-ettes need them.


28 posted on 11/23/2007 8:51:07 PM PST by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I’ll bet more people die from being tazed by the police than from being shot by them.

They do seem to be much more accurate with the taser than with their firearms.

29 posted on 11/23/2007 8:51:43 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: Revtwo

In any situation, deadly force is either authorized by the situation, or not. If not, then there is no reason (aside from sadism or psychopathy) to use a taser.

Nets, adhesive spray, can be used as less lethal tools. Tasers, not so much.


30 posted on 11/23/2007 8:53:58 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: donmeaker
then there is no reason (aside from sadism or psychopathy) to use a taser.

I'll try to remember that next time I'm fighting with a crack head I just chased into an alley from a stolen car and my back-up unit is five minutes away still. Thanks for setting it straight

31 posted on 11/23/2007 9:05:30 PM PST by Horatio Gates (You know what sucks about shooting?.......nuttin)
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To: jrooney

Not anti-cop, anti-over use of the stun gun.... the fact is the modern cop is too quick to pull the trigger on the stun gun 300-500 times per year per dept in big cities....cops never used their batons that much in years past ....Taser use goes up year to year...Years ago a cop would not pull their firearm when making a routine call....The stun gun is quick to come out...and quick to being used...I’ve seen it....My point (in post 6) was that when it goes wrong, it reflects poorly on all cops....


32 posted on 11/23/2007 9:06:37 PM PST by Defendingliberty (www.gulagthebear.com, www.DraconEarthsavers.org)
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To: mamelukesabre
"If a cop can us a taser on me and call it “non lethal”, then I when I use it on a cop, it should be merely “resisting arrest”."

When you use it on a cop?

To get tasered, a certain amount of nitwhittery, knuckskullness and nincome-poopery is required on the the offenders part. I have never heard of someone sitting at home, minding their own business, reading the bible, and an Officer arrives and tasers them. One must resist orders given by the Officer, defy his efforts to control his scene, and be show that you are not willing to co-operate with verbal commands before your tasered.

I hope you have a similar standard before you taser any cops.

33 posted on 11/23/2007 9:11:17 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Revtwo

Bring back exploding bullets?


34 posted on 11/23/2007 9:16:15 PM PST by pankot
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To: badpacifist
"In Gwinnett County, Georgia, a police videotape shows Deacon Frederick Williams being struck with a TASER five times in 43 seconds, just 4 minutes after entering the jail. At the time, he was handcuffed behind his back and in leg restraints. The 31-year-old Church Deacon lost consciousness and died. His last words were: "Don't kill me, man. Don't kill me." To date, no charges have been filed in Mr. Willams' death. "

I really don't see this as a liberal vs. conservative thing- More like human vs. animal. Maybe you can explain to me why any cop needs to tase a man who is shackled wrists and ankles. And how that fits your conservative viewpoint.

35 posted on 11/23/2007 9:16:21 PM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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To: GregoTX
I have never heard of someone sitting at home, minding their own business, reading the bible, and an Officer arrives and tasers them. One must resist orders given by the Officer, defy his efforts to control his scene, and be show that you are not willing to co-operate with verbal commands before your tasered.

Never? You must be illiterate. I sure don't read much, but I remember the city of Boston paid out $600,000 for scaring a retired minister to death inside his own home minding his own business. You could go to the CATO institute and check out their statistics on police raids that killed innocent people. You could read the news and see stories where children and old people get tasered. These stories show up every week on Free Republic. If the police were subjected to the same legal standards as private enterprise, local governments would be bankrupt.

36 posted on 11/23/2007 9:32:35 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: GregoTX

It would appear like the use of the Taser by the cops...is growing. It used to be hardcore cases. We are beginning to see more simpler cases where regular judgment is clouded and they automatically taser the nitwit.

I’ll predict the turning point here. You have a cop who stops some couple and the cop has to Taser one of the two...where upon the second individual Tasers the cop. The event will be video-taped, and then suddenly cops will want to remove the Taser from private-use....ONLY cops should have Tasers. Then we all wake up and realize the approaching mess.


37 posted on 11/23/2007 9:33:40 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: GregoTX

Seems to me I’ve seen videos of old people not capable of putting up a fight getting tasered by cops.

Therefore, a cop wearing a tasergun, within taser range, would be probable cause for me to taser him...before he tasers me.


38 posted on 11/23/2007 9:42:34 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
"Therefore, a cop wearing a tasergun, within taser range, would be probable cause for me to taser him...before he tasers me."

Well Im in the next day or two you can be within taser range of an Officer, and your self defined probable cause. Let me know how it all worked out for you once you make parole.

39 posted on 11/23/2007 10:05:33 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: GregoTX

I’m speaking hypothetically here. I don’t own a tasergun.


40 posted on 11/23/2007 10:58:57 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Defendingliberty

A typical force continuum looks like:

1. Officer presence - officer shows up and the misbehavior stops

2. Verbal commands - officer yells at the perp and takes control of the situation

3. Empty hand control - guiding, holding, restraining, up to kicking/punching the suspect

4. Pepper spray, baton, taser

5. Less lethal - beanbag guns and such

6. Deadly force

What we are seeing lately is that many officers, especially smaller/weaker/female/cowardly/lazy officers, skip #3 entirely and deploy the taser. Often the motive cited is a fear of engaging in a physical confrontation with the suspect, an unfounded fear that the suspect could pull out a concealed weapon, etc. They use the taser in situations where they would never even consider using OC spray or the baton, and this unprovoked escalation in force is troubling. Individuals who get the “jitters” easily and are prone to overreaction do not belong in law enforcement.

Cases have also been reported where the taser is used to punish mere passive noncompliance, rather than active resistance. This hardly seems reasonable, as the device temporarily paralyzes the suspect’s central nervous system and he is likely to have trouble moving at that point. Tasers are best used to neutralize a threatening situation, not to inflict punishment on a subject who is already under control.

The taser-related deaths are a bit of a red herring. As you have mentioned, most of these suspects were under the influence of narcotics and most likely gave police a very good reason to deploy the weapon. The real abuses, while still somewhat rare, ironically almost never result in mortality.


41 posted on 11/23/2007 11:03:41 PM PST by ROP_RIP
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To: domenad

“Their video of “peaceful” protesters being Tased is actually a bunch of violent anarchists with their faces covered.”

For them, the police should be using bullets and fragmentation grenades, then shooting the survivors.

PC keeps people from facing the reason tasers are wanted, anyway.

Police used to handle resisting arrest by kicking butt. But now we have to have women “police officers” who are physically incompetent to handle matters correctly. They have to have an alternative to just hauling out their revolvers and shooting the person resisting. Thus, tasers.

The solution is simple: stop pretending that it is appropriate to put women in a police officer’s uniform, and go back to true non-lethal force.


42 posted on 11/24/2007 12:17:50 AM PST by dsc
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To: Defendingliberty
It’s obvious you’re not in LE. The Taser is an effective tool that can subdue violent criminals or stop them cold if they’re trying to run. It is not a substitute for the baton. You need to be in close proximity to use a baton. It’s also better than OC because you’re neutralizing the target person and not all those around him. And once you OC someone, you then have to decon him. I just learned about a new shotgun shell taser coming to market. That’ll give us even more flexibility! Taser all the way!
43 posted on 11/24/2007 12:27:55 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: badpacifist

How much does it cost to reload it?


44 posted on 11/24/2007 12:35:31 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: ROP_RIP
I just wanted to see where the K-9s are used. Cry havoc! And let loose the dogs of war.
45 posted on 11/24/2007 12:36:06 AM PST by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

>>>>I’ll bet more people die from being tazed by the police than from being shot by them.

I’ve got $100,000 that says you are wrong.


46 posted on 11/24/2007 12:41:08 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: Defendingliberty
>>cops never used their batons that much in years past ....

Wake up, smell the linseed oil. In the 1960s, batons were used 100 times a night in every major city in America.

Beat up on your wife? Working class men didn’t go to jail for that. They got a tune up.

Local punk shoplifts from the corner grocer? He walks funny for a while.

Worse.... local punk decides to beat up an older person? He gets a “50 percenter.” (50% of dead.)

Such street justice was rarely needed twice.

47 posted on 11/24/2007 12:48:51 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
I was going to ignore your post because of your childish personal insult to me in which you stated that I must be illiterate. I do think that your petty insult and then your list of anti-police foolishness really demands one, so I will try to overcome my illiteracy and attempt to respond.

“Never? You must be illiterate. I sure don't read much, but I remember the city of Boston paid out $600,000 for scaring a retired minister to death inside his own home minding his own business.”

The incident occurred March 25th 1994. A SWAT Boston SWAT team misread a floor plan given to them by a confidential informant, and entered the wrong floor and apartment. The SWAT team was serving a warrant for the Boston Police Drug Control Unit, they went in and secured the apartment. The 75 yoa minister that was in the apartment went into cardiac arrest and died. This caused allot of racial animosity among citizens as the minister was African-American. The widow sued the City, and asked for $600,000.00 and was awarded $1 Million.

Even though I am illiterate, I am aware of this case, as it changed many standards in writing search warrants not only in Boston, but the Country. In my field I write allot of search warrants, and because of incidents like this, allot more detail has to be put into the description of the residence that the warrant will be executed at. Some agencies even require pictures of the target residency for the illiterate folks like me.

Now this has nothing to do with the thread topic of getting tasered, as this man was not tasered, but you ventured off and brought up the story of the man being scared to death, not tasered.

As to your comment “You could go to the CATO institute and check out their statistics on police raids that killed innocent people. You could read the news and see stories where children and old people get tasered.”

The standards are always going up on training, on those on entry teams, the evidence needed for probable cause to obtain a search warrant is always getting more difficult, and the reasons are for peoples protection. The negative incident where innocents are being harmed are going down. Now, those that swallow the main stream media will not know this, it is like the War on Terror being fought in Iraq. Follow the news stories and you would believe that that the troops are over there to occupy a nation, to murder civilians, rape the women and cause hatred for us in the region. So sure, you can find some a story sometimes of an Officer making a mistake and entering the wrong residence, and I can bet my illiterate butt the media will give allot of coverage every time it happens. The rest of the ninety nine point whatever percent of the successful raids where allot of good men take a risk and the bad guys are caught are not news worthy, and certainly not commented on these threads. Same goes with the ninety nine point whatever percentage of good successful taser deployments that are proper and successful. The Officer and prisoner both end the day free from injury. Those don’t make good headlines or fit your anti-police point of view.

I have been on many dozens of scenes where a tasers are deployed. A few of them the general public had a misconception of why a taser was deployed, and critics like you sound off with their anti-police rants, but they don’t see the other side of the story. They don’t see a doped up offender that got tasered, they see a victim of the Police. Not an disease infected crack whore spitting at Officers, just some young lady getting tasered by a bully cop. Every story has two sides. More often then not, the Officer had good reason, and in the cases that the Officer did not have just cause, that has consequences. Good Officers have been fired, fined, and even jailed for a spit second decision that they made to deploy a taser that a good of people argued over for weeks and decided it was a bad decision on the Officers part.

I personally do not carry a taser on duty for two reasons: I am in investigations, so I don’t answer calls involving unruly people, and I am illiterate as you pointed out, so I cant read the directions on the weapon.

If I could grant you one wish, it would be that you could live your life in an area free from Police Officer involvement, so you could be free from their life threatening and oppressive ways. I wish you could be guaranteed that not matter the situation, you would never see an Officer on your street, at your home, or anywhere around. But I am afraid that isn’t realistic, but the ACLU, and the MSM are there for you 24/7.

Maybe someday the tyranny of Police Officer violence will stop and you will no longer be bothered by all the Unbiased and Accurate News Reporting of Law Enforcement abuses.

“You could read the news and see stories where children and old people get tasered. These stories show up every week on Free Republic.”

Ive wasted enough time on you and your post. I have to get back to my Hooked on Phonics book, I don’t want to be illiterate all my life, I want to read those stories of old people and little children getting tasered.

48 posted on 11/24/2007 12:54:09 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: GregoTX

Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkfkQcb45Lo


49 posted on 11/24/2007 1:03:14 AM PST by restornu (Improve The Shining Moment! Don't let them pass you by... PRESS FORWARD MITT)
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To: GregoTX
When I first heard about Taser technology almost thirty years ago, it was billed as a perfectly safe non-lethal police tool that the cops could use against crazed PCP addicts who were assaulting them.

Fast forward to today when the police are using them against grandmothers in wheelchairs and drivers who act wild about not signing speeding tickets, ultimately killing some 150-odd people per year with electric shocks.

Give it another ten years when police departments will be wanting funding for the Taser company's new basketball-shaped model full of electrified fishhooks that they can just roll into an elementary school cafeteria to zap everyone in the room.

50 posted on 11/24/2007 1:15:28 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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