Skip to comments.EMISSION: IMPOSSIBLE (NY Gov Spitzer Plan To Force Power Plants To Buy "Credits" For Emitting CO2)
Posted on 11/24/2007 2:18:58 PM PST by lowbridge
Gov. Spitzer's boast last week that power plants will soon have to pay for the right to emit carbon dioxide is just the latest sign of his unseemly obeisance to over-the-top environmentalism.
Spitzer told Congress how New York has joined 10 northeastern states in a Kyoto-style project called the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), meant to combat global warming.
In 2009, these states will force power plants to buy CO2 "allowances," which will be traded on the open market.
Plants will have to get one credit for each ton of CO2 they emit. The supply of credits, to start, will be capped at 64 million - the average annual power-plant emissions in New York from 2002 to 2004. The figure will then drop slightly each year, for a 10 percent cut by 2019.
The plan's flaw is its goal: It's designed to boost electricity costs - and even force some plants to close.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
THERE ARE NO SUCH THING AS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS !!
There air "up there" ,, is just that ... air ... not co2 or methane or whatever .... So we don't emit anything that would make the planet into a greenhouse.
If you accept the words and phraseology and use them in language ... it doesn't matter what you say ... you're a greenieweenie.
Must suck to be a communist.
Yup, the east coast libocrits should indeed pay more for their power. In fact, methinks that should actually be forced to generate their own power. Let it be wind, nuclear, or letting Kennedy pedal a bike for the rest of his homicidal life. This would - of course - result in a true conservative dream: letting the b**tards freeze to death in the dark.
“n 2009, these states will force power plants to buy CO2 “allowances,” which will be traded on the open market.”
I wonder when Joe six pack is going to figure out why his electric bill went through the roof. As if he is not tapped out already. Being that inflation is really over 10% and not the cooked up numbers the government is feeding us. What is even more crazy about this is that since it is on the market then the speculators will be free to force the price of these credits up through the roof. Just a they do oil. The wealthy speculators get to pocket a bunch of money, and the tax payer gets to foot the bill. Just wonderful. Maybe when Joe six pack can’t afford anymore beer, then maybe he will figure it out.
Does NY have the right to tax CO2 emissions that occur in another state or even Canada?
I'd be investigating Spitzer for some clandestine ownership in a CO2 trading scheme.
I wouldn't put it past this mob-like figure to be using government policy to bring business to "Cousin Vinny's" company.
It would be fun to see him try. He should also know that New York is part of a *grid* that is waaaaay bigger than the state and even includes a bit of Canada.
I think it's called a protest, I read about some
mafia, crime family, thugs, union doing it.
The whole carbon credits idea is nothing but a socialist plot to further drive the US to ruin, while enriching the elites like Al Gore and the folks at Goldman Sachs. Does any SANE person believe that even IF reducing CO@ could stop the natural warming of the planet, and even IF the US cut CO2 emissions in HALF, that the rest of the world would not just fill in where our CO2 emissions were cut? Will Saudi Arabia pump less oil? NO!!...Will China stop opening one new cheap/dirty coal plant every 7-10 days? NO!! Will India and the rest of the developing world slow there economies in order to cap their quickly rising CO@ emissions? NO, NO, NO!!! The morons who have devised these carbon trafing schemes are taking everyone for fools. As they jst off to the UN Climate Change Conference in their private jets, the rest of us are elft to ponder a country with energy shortages, higher costs, and a declining economy. I feel like I am leving in an alternate reality, where black is white, and vice versa.
Note to self: Must try to use ask.com more frequently.
Schwarzenegger and Pataki were scheming on this a year ago:
Does Hillary think this is a good idea?
Go for it, Spitzer. After the crash, real estate will be dirt cheap and the population will be in no mood to elect a liberal for decades.
As far as I know, there is no provision for a recall of a Governor in NY state.
Lots of them.
I hope Hillary is asked in the next debate if she supports Spitzer’s energy plan.
I'd love to see a lawsuit challenge of this. Get Al Gore up on the stand. It would be wonderful to see him sweat and stammer.
Now that is really unfortunate.Maybe it’s better that the folks in New York get a full dose of Spitzer now,might convince them to never again put one of these weasels in a position of authority.
A guy like that probably thinks he can get away with imposing a CO2 scam on everyone in NY.
If he were a tad younger he'd been pushing Laetrile as a surefire cure for cancer.
Likewise, if want to cool your home, the “home CO2 Climate Control System” will remove heat trapping CO2 and allow more heat energy to escape.
Sale price is just $4500.00 plus a $75.00 monthly maintenance agreement.**
Here the best part. Once we have the CO2 cap and trade in place the power companies will pay me $5000.00 per unit built (not Sold he he ha ha). of course the power companies will just pass that cost right back you in rate increases.
President and CEO of HCCS, Inc.
Your buddy AL
Got to fly. I’m meeting with GE, Big Banking firms and some commodities brokers to plan lobbing. ( Arm Twisting with Money)
* There is no peer reviewed studies available for my computer model. JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
** Base on a 1000 sq ft house.
I have possessed for five years the regulation of the weather and the distribution of the seasons. The sun has listened to my dictates, and passed from tropic to tropic by my direction; the clouds at my call have poured their waters, and the Nile has overflowed at my command. I have restrained the rage of the dog-star, and mitigated the fervours of the crab. The winds alone, of all the elemental powers, have hitherto refused my authority, and multitudes have perished by equinoctial tempests which I found myself unable to prohibit or restrain. I have administered this great office with exact justice, and made to the different nations of the earth an impartial dividend of rain and sunshine. What must have been the misery of half the globe if I had limited the clouds to particular regions, or confined the sun to either side of the equator?
the whole co2/ global warming thing is a fraud my friend.
Bend over and grab your ankles, residents of New York.
You get what you elected, you get what you deserve.
I read a couple of years ago (NY Post, IIRC) that Schumer and Spitzer are fiercely competetive, each envisioning himself as the first Jewish President. I kid you not.
The amazing thing is...no one is building power stations at all. The only nuclear plant applications currently in the system....are for TVA in Bama...which the plan will be to build two new ones within seven years.
I can see a point within five years where huge electrical problems exist....and governors are fired because of their incompetence...and some mad rush starts up to build coal-plants at any cost.
The backlash will be to blame the "Big Electricity", "Big Oil", "Big Coal", etc. The Rats will have hearings, grandstand, make BS speeches, and propose making electricity a government responsibility promising lower prices, less CO2, and less pollution while reducing reliance on the "Evil Nuclear Power". The Rat aligned lawyers will take all energy companies to court wasting time and forcing them to either spend more money to stay alive or go out of business.
The Dim voters will believe the Rats about who is to blame and we will have even more "enviro-mental" rulers in office.
I don't see an effective voter backlash on this for about 15 or 20 years. By then the damage to the economy from this issue combined with government provided health care, retirement, and maybe even home-loans, we will be in really deep.
Such is the messianic hubris that dispels all wisdom and caution.
There are more and more people wanting more and more power...and at some point people are going to have to wake up to the fact that the power must come from somewhere. Few politicians are willing to make that statement and those that do catch hell for it.
I agree that CO2 control is a socialist dream. CO2 emissions control through some form of taxation will allow government to have a large influence on the costs of goods and services. The UN climate panel arrogantly indicates that the cost of CO2 emissions control will not be substantial (less than 3% of GDP as though 3% of GDP is not substantial). Further the climate panel asserts that global temperature increases can be constrained by CO2 emissions controls.
The contrast between reality of CO2 emissions controls and current living are stark. People like to travel by plane, air condition their homes, drive to work and shopping, light their outdoors with Christmas lights, and so on. Modern living demands reliable power and increases in power over time. These CO2 emissions control schemes will restrict choices, reduce growth, move jobs to other countries, increase inflation, and generally lower standards of living without any benefits.
The global warming hysteria is a test of the broken windows theory of economics. The left seems to believe that if you smash every window in the country, economic growth and prosperity will ensue. The left only wants to see the visible jobs created, not the lost economic opportunities due to repairing all of the windows. The rats do not want any blame for the economic fallout. They will push goals into the future where the blame cannot be laid at their feet.
Who comes up with this stuff? If the plants close, the (energy) prices will rise. The likelihood of opening another nuclear plant in New York is slim to none — if Spitzer wants to choke Wall Street again (as if his crazy lawsuits didn’t do enough damage) then go ahead. Everyone will move to other states, the world will realize that in this global, electronic economy that you don’t need a physical presense in New York and this house of cards will begin to collapse. Way to Go, Spitz.
So who do they have to write the check too? Al Gore or the DNC?
This guy sure likes to throw his weight around.
Also mentions Hillary Clinton's good buddies at Vermont's Native Energy....
Where did NY find this piece of crap?
IV Drug Users
Private Property Owners
Idiots. The only hope of converting to a hydrogen economy is by reducing electricity costs. If prices go up, hydrogen becomes even less feasible.
Hydrogen is a means of storing electricity. But the only way for it to work is for it to cost less than oil.
Why power plants? Co2 provides the fizz to beer and soda, so why not force breweries and bottling plants to buy credits, too? Matter o' fact, why not pass a tax on the establishments that serve those items. Matter o' fact, why not also tax the consumer, too?
P.S., if Spitzer is reading this, it's sarcasm. Don't actually do this.
>The higher taxes are in NY, the less they will clamor for higher federal taxes.
No. you still are not thinking like a liberal.
They will insist that it is all the fault of those evil capitalist energy companies that wring profit from the backs of the working poor, and they will demand Federal assistance for NY energy consumers.
and they will get it. and you will pay for it.
My first reaction. I grew up in New York City. It's unpleasant enough as it is, especially in summer.
I hope the people of New York are pleased with themselves electing this meglomaniacal zero.
You can say that again. . . . Or, I’ll do it for you. . . OMG
Article doesn’t say who gets the money for these credits but let me guess ... This is just a convenient way to raise taxes.
“...Hes acting like Soros owns him.”
His actions are incredibly similar to a marionette manipulated by a remote source aren’t they, but that observation seemingly covers all the hard core of the Left whom go off on their tangents apparently without adequate briefing of the breadth and depth of their scripted proposals, and without concern for the consequences of such. As though such consequences are the responsibility of their remote manipulaters, as in someone else.
Que spooky music.
” think this is a good thing. The wealthy leftwingers in NY SHOULD provide the leadership in reducing American greenhouse gas emissions. Afterall, theyve got the money, and the rich should pick up the tab for this.”
Please tell me you accidently left off the /sarcasm tag?