Skip to comments.The Club for Growth opposes Congressman Hunter
Posted on 11/24/2007 6:20:54 PM PST by Kurt Evans
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How clever of you to self-identify. The next step is to grow up.
“L Ron Paul is a mental case who hates America.”
I don’t think he hates America. I think he has a disjointed view (typical extreme libertarian, which is what he is no matter how many R’s he sticks behind his name)of history and the job he was hired by the American people to do. Be a legislator.
He’s failed at that miserably. He’s talked some good talk, but that wasn’t his job. His job was to get something accomplished per the promises he made his constituents.
Do you think they’d have elected him if he said, “Well, I’m gonna be on Cspan and talk alot but I’m never going to effect one piece of legislation or get one bill passed that I wrote. Instead I’m going to praise Islam, Iran and trade with China and vote against troops on the border to control illegal immigration.”
He claims to be for ‘small government’, but co sponsored 1876 bills written by other congressmen. In the same time period Duncan Hunter co sponsored 1000 fewer than Paul. So that talking point is worthless for Paul.
Who thinks this guy would have been elected in Texas on his true record?
They have a big mouth while hiding in the sticks. They couldnt live in the real world.
For starters, don't waste your breath on Paul supporters. You know he's a nutcase, I know he's a nutcase, and so does everyoen else with an ounce of common sense. Pearls before swine would be appropriate here. Don't give them the bandwidth.
That said, since you're pinging Jim and invoking your friendship repeatedly, what does he think of your put downs of FReepers who live in "backwater states" and small towns that you refer to as hicksville?
Some of these people arn’t worthy to be FReepers.
Some of these same backwater folks bash California on other threads and that is supposed to be ok. I don’t
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“Wear it as a badge of honor, Congressman!” Soooooo true!
Great, INFORMATIVE counter to Opening Post in Post 203!
Please read it for the truth, folks.
I don't understand your 'backwater' or 'hiding in the sticks' remarks. I'm proud to be a backwoods hick, and I live in California! LOL
Be careful of that broad brush, it wasn't too long ago here on FR that everyone who wanted something done about illegal immigration was referred to as a 'knuckle dragger', 'hick', 'redneck'. You don't see that much these days because those were mostly Rudy type posters or now support their favorite RINO who is suddenly talking tough on immigration.
California bashing on FR is also getting old as is bashing people who live in large cities.
Agreed. I must say I feel sorry for anyone who has to live in a large city. Been there, done that, wouldn’t trade what I have for all of them.
I enjoy living in the heart of a large busy city.
Go to Hunter’s congressional site.
His major accomplishments re the military and national security for the past many years exceeds that of most congressmen and senators.
Duncan Duane (D2)? You mean the congressional race in CA?
I think he will win that.
Duncan Lee (D1) though will be in the Presidential Primary.
Thanks for going to the trouble of digging all this up. I knew they were globalist, but the Gingrich/Norquist linkage is an important issue that we must never forget. That pair is about the most dangerous duo in the Republican party. Newt was the reason that nothing of importance ever got done when the Republicans took over congress in ‘94.
That is a real eye-opening post, AuntB. Moore, Norquist and their ilk at the Country Club for Growth are the elitists of our party. They are very powerful and very influential. It's going to be very difficult to keep them from nominating Rudy next year.
As far as I am concerned, the Moore-Norquist bunch can burn in hell. They don't seem to care at all about this country.
THE CASE FOR REBUILDING U.S. ARMED FORCES
Come on now.
Paul is tragically naive regarding the WOT, it is true. And many - I dare say MOST - of his supporters are certifiable loons, lefties and malcontents.
But Paul isn’t a “Hitler wanna be.” At least until recently, he appears to be a man motivated by a love for individual freedom. Again, I think he’s very, very wrong on foreign affairs and miliatary matters. And it is really sad that he can’t see that most of his newfound fellow-travelers don’t believe in liberty at all, but are actually leftists using his anti-war stance as a stalking horse. But let’s not say things that are just not true.
There’s enough to dislike Paul about these days without making stuff up.
The economy pays the war's bills.
Unfettered economies are the most prolific.
BigGov fetters too much, and BigGov spending fetters all taxpayers.
The war, which you cite as absolving several government excesses, is ostensibly about preserving the American way of life and its existence.
America's identity is its liberties (freedom of religion being one of many).
I am not willing let the Isloma-fascists take our liberties away with one attack, and I do give a rat's behind about the economy.
In WWII, the USA sent Japanese Americans to internment camps. In 2007, we shouldn't make all of America into an internment camp to fight "the war." We shouldn't give away to the FedGov the rights we're supposedly fighting to protect. We should fight threats to life, liberty, and property at home as well as abroad. They are not mutually exclusive.
Ducan spends too much of other peoples' money.
They care about capitalism. America IS capitalism and capitalism IS America.
I remember when conservatives believed in trade, low taxes, limited government and economic freedom. I'm not sure how it happned, but we've just about lost that.
Without capitalism we may as well be Sweden with better geography. Sadly, we're moving that direction. Between the environmentalists, the protectionists, union luddites, and the I-WANT-FREE-HEALTHCARE crowd, it seems like there's not much consituency left for economic liberty.
Enjoy your free health care.
You're gonna need it.
In your dreams.
Are you saying your posts put people to sleep???
When did your brand of conservatives quit believing in defending our borders? We have a NATION here. It's NOT JUST a business enterprise.
These Country Club for Growth people you admire would sell their country, their mothers and their souls for an extra buck. They can and should burn in hell.
This is why it is tough for a congressman to run for President. They have votes to defend.
Duncan also recently voted to override the president's veto of the Water Resources Development Act. It was vetoed because it was obscenely bloated with pork. Duncan chose to vote against the prez and pass the bill anway. It was a "safe" vote - most Republicans also voted to override. But it was not a gutsy vote, and certainly not that of a man opposed to government largesse.
ROFLOL. That's pretty funny. Why are you making stuff up? For the record, I believe in:
-Building a fence across the entire southern border.
-Authorizing border guards to shoot-to-kill all unauthorized border crossers.
-Huge fines on companies hiring illegals.
-English as our official national language.
Now it's your turn. When did you become a socialist?
Here are some quotes from your Country Club heroes:
"A government powerful enough to find an illegal immigrant is also powerful enough to find your bank accounts." - Grover Norquist
"Nobody really minds people sneaking across the border and working at 7-Eleven." - Grover Norquist
"Illegal immigration is part of the price we pay for being both a prosperous and a free country, and I'm not willing to sacrifice some of our freedoms to try to keep out immigrants, especially when I don't think it's going to work very well." - Stephen Moore
"Congress has to act and Congress isn't going to act if the only people it hears from are employers who don't want to be sanctioned." - Stephen Moore
And that's just from one website -
Look for more if you can stomach it.
Your heroes are pigs who will sell out their country for just one extra buck. And now they're gonna be pushing Rudy.
So I answer your questions, but you won’t asnwer mine?
Are you a socialist?
Maybe some aren’t fit to be FReepers, however it’s not because they live in small towns. Or is it your contention that FR is an urbanite forum? Note that I live in a city that’s almost exactly the same size as San Diego, and it’s a part of a much larger GMA.
I just noticed that you have a little crush on Rudy:
"Rudys fine with me." - County Agent Hank Kimball, November 5, 2007
"Oh, Rudy, it turns me on when you talk tough like that. Do it again, Rudy. You make me feel sooooooo safe. Oh, Ruuuuuuuuudy."
I guess that explains why you're so protective of the Country Club for Growth (and Rudy) poofs.
You’re really juvenile.
If you really look at what I’ve written, it will be very obvious to you that:
- My first choice was Tancredo
- My current choice is Thompson
- I will support WHOEVER becomes the party’s nominee in the general election. Including Rudy. Even including Romney, who I like even less.
You have a problem with this?
What can anyone possibly say to anyone who. like you, says, "Rudys fine with me" with a straight face?
There's really nothing that can be usefully said. In time, your infatuation with Rudy will pass.
Why do you bother responding to me when you ignore what I say?
Did you see that I support Thompson?
How does this qualify as an “enfatuation” with Rudy? I’m no more enfatuated with him than I am Mitt Romney or John Cox OR WHATEVER REPUBLICAN GETS THE NOMINATION.
I would vote for you over Hillary. I’d vote for a junior Republican city councilman from Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Let me type this slowly so you can understand.
I support F-r-e-d T-h-o-m-p-s-o-n.
I will vote for a-n-y R-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-a-n in the GENERAL ELECTION over Hillary.
Is that really that difficult for you to take in?
Having studied and kept up daily with world affairs, politics, etc. for over 45 years (including the over 40 years I worked full time.) ret. as a Legal Support Asst. with the County Attys. I find many FReepers base their comments on emotion, the area they live in, many not having background in the give and take of dealing with
a city of over 1,250,000 population and San Diego County over 3 million.
Also the largest concentration of military.
Also tens of thousands of illegals costing us mega millions a year.
I have relatives and know many others
who live in small towns and those who don’t venture out of their area see life in a very narrow way.
A very fortress mentality.
But, I'm not going to judge you harshly for that because I know you're in love . . .
. . . with Rudy. ROFL
Night, Hank. Turn off the lights before you leave.
Do your parents know you’re on the computer?
What about Thompson?
I’d look myself but it’s members only.
Interestingly they have an article on the AMT. I hope they noticed that Fred Thompson has put out a tax plan that addresses the AMT.
Mom said to tell you that your hero Rudy is a pervert. ROFL
Why are you attacking the south. I don’t like everything about the south but our country would sure be in a political mess without it. Also, why attack rural states - it is the rural areas that keep this country civilized.
San Diego is a much saner city then most and seems to be quite conservative. However, big cities are typically bastions of liberalism. Portland and Los Angeles are the reason that Oregon and California are in the horrible political situation that they are today. I am not sure what you see in big cities - they certainly have been mortal enemies of the conservative cause.
If I can find a record dating back far enough to get any rating on Fred I'll let you know.
Just for the record, I'd support either a Thompson/Hunter or a Hunter/Thompson with the same amount of zeal.
Free trade is ‘globalist’? I thought Conservatives were the party of free trade while it was the democrats (cuz of the unions) who were the protectionists and isolationists. Big government is required to squash free trade.
It is not accurate to state the CFG supports ‘open borders’. They support free market economic policies with limited government. I am a regular reader of their blog (IMO it is the best blog on the internet) and hardly ever see an article on immigration, I think it is a minor issue to them, but, incidently, I think Moore’s (who hasn’t been president for the past few years) comments in this article are dead on.
The article stated the following:
“Last fall the Club for Growth worked against conservative republican candidate Robert Vasquez, an ardent illegal alien opponent by funding his opposition.”
And in turn got Bill Sali, whom this author is apparently ignorant of. IMO, Bill Sali is one of the best represenatives in Congress. FYI:
“Sali was first elected to the Idaho House of Representatives in 1990. During his time there, he gained a reputation as a staunch conservative on social and economic issues, frequently drawing the ire of the more moderate Republican house leadership.”
The CFG elects true conservatives who will stick it to the Republican leadership, who represent libertarian economic policies. Their criticism of Duncan Hunter is spot on, IMO.
Last fall the Club for Growth worked against conservative republican candidate Robert Vasquez, an ardent illegal alien opponent by funding his opposition.
And in turn got Bill Sali, whom this author is apparently ignorant of. IMO, Bill Sali is one of the best represenatives in Congress. FYI
Robert Vasquez is one of the most self-centered, useless people I’ve ever seen in politics. He is no conservative, not even having a basic understanding of the fundamental principles the country was built upon.
Conversely, Bill Sali is one of our finest, most principled, Congressmen.
In this case, as in a number of others, CfG made the right call.
Another case in point: Steve King of Iowa. Without the Club, he would not have originally won that seat. And he’s about as good as it gets on most issues conservatives care about.
Is the Club perfect? Far from it. Have they invested more money than anyone else in defeating RINOs over the last decade? Yes, they have.
Thanks. Steve King BUMP!
But I am sure not in agreement with their assessment of Hunter.