Skip to comments.Are you going to vote in the November 2008 election no matter who wins the Republican primary?
Posted on 11/25/2007 5:29:03 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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Keep your promises and stick to your convictions. Look what happened when those who voted for a republican so that a democrat would not win. We got Mark Foley and Larry Craig.
Democrats have some major issues, but we should be better than them and have better choices. I would love to see some turnovers in these next couple of elections.
Well, all I can say is that it sounds as if your entire political philosophy amounts to a fear of Hillary. I guess people don't actually choose to live in a state of terror like that, but it sounds awfully uncomfortable. Politicians like Rudy exploit that kind of fear.
So, while those of us who don't have the hots for Rudy may seem to you to be "a bunch of self-important egomaniacs," it might be worthwhile for you to look around and see if you can't support a candidate for reasons that are not just grounded in fear. Maybe you'll see why some of us feel that Rudy just doesn't meet our minimum standards for a Commander in Chief.
In any event, maybe you'll at least be able to chuck some of that terror you're living with.
“Its your choice to drive away traditional Reagan voters.”?!?!??!?!?!!?!????
Huh? How am I driving away traditional Reagan voters?!?!? All I am doing is voting for an acceptable candidate. If other sane people choose “other than gungrabbers,” I assure you it was based on their integrity and good judgement, not my example.
I intend to vote for Duncan Hunter in the primary and writing his name in on the November general ballot in the event he is not the nominee.
It is obvious that you have not worked in any political campaign for at least 28 years.
In 1980 Reagan ran on an anti abortion anti gun control stance. In every stump speech he made in the mid west, west, and south he reinforced his position on abortion and gun control.
I remember nearly every other reporter covering Reagan thought he was making a terrible mistake by being pro gun and anti abortion. But Reagan knew what many other stupid media types and dumb Republicans did not. The truth is well over half of the so called Religious Right are Registered Democrats. An
The millions of Democrat votes that Reagan got nation wide were Democrats who wanted to keep their guns and did not want unborn babies killed.
If both candidates had been for Abortion and for Gun control then those Democrats would have voted for Jimmy Carter. But the leftist Republicans keep thinking that Rudy can get the Religious right to vote for him. THERE IS NOT A SNOWBALLS CHANCE IN HELL THAT THOSE REGISTERED DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE FOR RUDY. And to get the socialists leftwing votes Rudy would have to out Hillary... Hillary. Even the leftist moderates want more goverment programs that benefit them. He would have to be at least as liberal as Hillary to get their votes. That is not going to happen.
Those who think a Republican who takes Democratic positions on abortion and guns can win an election are totally ignorant of what both Reagan and Dubya knew well.
In 1980 I was a reporter and in 2004 I was very active in the Bush campaign. Over and over in 2004 here in Ohio Bush pushed his stance on abortion. As the Bush Media Rep for the bellwether county in Ohio, I was inside the campaign. I saw the polls I saw the research Karl Rove did. I know what it takes to win Ohio. Even if Taft, Blackwell, DeWine and assorted other Republicans did not.
Bush was against abortion and against gun control. He campaigned about it at every stop. He knew like Reagan that the key to Ohio was DEMOCRAT VOTERS voting for BUSH.
Bush got nearly all his base and half the moderates, but his winning margin was from anti abortion and anti gun control Democrats. That is why Kerry refused to concede until the next day. He could not believe that Registered Democrats would vote for Bush. But they sure did as the internal Bush polls showed they would. Seven out of every 10 anti abortion Democrats voted for Bush.
Rudy VS Hillary will lose Ohio by 700 thousand votes.
I am reasonably certain that Reagan did not call conservatives names because they did not conform to his will. Reagan is the man who said thou shalt not criticize thy fellow Republican.
He debated the issues, not the person.
Reagan appealed not just to conservatives, but to independents and conservative Democrats. But there were two things that bound us together: the fight against communism and the right to keep more of what you earn. These were the fundamental principles that bound very different minded people together. It was a short list. You may remember what it was like in liberal land before Reagan. I do.
It was nothing like what I read in your posts, but we will all have different observations.
To Reagan’s great credit, the economy grew by leaps and bounds and communism fell. And he was assertive without behaving badly. Think about it, Reagan handled trade unions— he really knew how to get what he wanted so that he didn’t have to behave in such a way that someone had to apologize for him later.
And in reading your posts, I see a pattern of telling other people (some of whom dare to believe that they are conservative! the nerve!) to take a hike. That’s not going to drive other conservative voters away? If you can’t appeal to conservatives, how are you also going to get the Independents and conservative Democrats who voted for Reagan?
But Reagan didn’t tell off other conservatives.
He debated the issues, not the person.
He also won not on gun ownership, but on taxes, the economy and the fight against communism.
You read some weird stuff into my words.
“I am reasonably certain that Reagan did not call conservatives names because they did not conform to his will. Reagan is the man who said thou shalt not criticize thy fellow Republican.”
I did not even bring Reagan into this, nor tell anyone off. I simply asserted my opinion: I will not vote for those who would destroy our Constitution. Period. Who did I call names?
“He debated the issues, not the person.”
I addressed the ISSUES, which are the records, while in office, of Giuliani and Romney. They are as bad as the Clinton woman on THE ISSUES.
I spent ALL of Reagan’s term in office (plus another 6 years) at the tip of the spear, defending this country. I earned my vote and will not squander it on the likes of Giuliani or Romney who have shown contempt for the Constitution that I swore to uphold and defend.
I am not the problem. The problem is: If Rudy is nominated, Hillary will win. Romney might be able to beat her, but I would not bet my house on it.
If there will be a new party in America, it has to have an appeal to independents and some Democrats as well. I think the issues of trade, jobs and illegal immigration hits home with people of all parties. We need to point out that Bill Clinton supported NAFTA and many “working man” Democrats have supported outsourcing jobs to China. This would be a good way of splitting the Democratic Party. Wish there were some polls or surveys about what issues overlap across party lines.
I’m right there with ya, Nutmeg.
Her Heinous has got to be stopped.
Oh great! So we end up with somebody who is just too stupid to run the govt or some extreme socialist .. WHAT THE HECK GOOD WILL THAT DO ..??
I can’t understand how anyone can support ANY DEMOCRAT getting into office.
Really? No Zell Miller? He spoke at the RNC and he did a fine job.
I don’t know...
spose Hildebeast makes it?
I’ll have to deal with my own internal demons? Eh?
Thank you. I just can’t get over people who are too self-righteous to vote for the opposition to Hillary.
Imagine all the horror that will ensue if she becomes president. Will it really be satisfying to sit back in your Laz-E-Boy and proclaim “ I know that America has gone to hell, but I have my principles!”
If it leads to another 1994 and the Contract with America then its a good thing. Those who think you must vote for a specific party no matter who the nominee is, must be satisfied with the statis quo, and don’t want any change.
Sorry .. he still supports abortion.
I have never stayed home for any reason, but we are the passionate voters. The ones who stay home are the ones who aren’t that passionate about politics.
That being said, I would vote for all but Rudy. If he is nominated, it will be tough for me, especially if a third party pro-life candidate is out there. That being said, it would also be hard for me not to vote against Hillary or Obama and vote for Rudy by default.
As opposed to his comment that he would appoint strict constructionists, like Roberts and Scalia.
Look support whomever you wish. If you don’t like who the party nominee is, take a long hard look at Clinton and ask yourself if by default you’d be voting for her.
Not to mention LOSE PA and WV as well. If it's Rudy vs Hillary, the Republicans should save their $ and not bother to spend anything in those 3 states, as it will all be wasted.
I agree with everything you said right down to where you get to “Ron Paul is one of the few candidates...” I’m not convinced that Paul isn’t just another shill for the elites, and I could never vote for him anymore than I would cast a vote for Rudy or Hillary. You should take a more careful look at the people who are pushing Ron Paul - I suspect that Soros et.al. would be just as pleased with him as the Republican nominee as they will be with Rudy. If he isn’t their shill, he is foolish enough to allow himself to be used by them IMO.
Not only would Rudy lose to Hillary he would do great damage to the Republican Party at the local, city, and state level too.
As the Rudy Apologists keep telling us in the conservative base that we are not needed (and in some cases told 'to take a hike')--as we can easily be replaced by independents and liberals would vote for Giuliani for security reasons.
With many in the conservative base either voting third party (with some not even voting in a LIBERAL RUNOFF election) who the heck do the Rudy Apologists think those independents and liberals will vote for locally, and on the state, and even senate level??? (Hint: It's NOT going to be the conservative candidates)
Conservative candidates at ALL levels would pay a huge price for the nomination of a LIBERAL like Giuliani. Rudy would be a disaster in SO MANY WAYS to the Republican Party!!
Good grief .. you are so far off track in your reply to me .. I really don’t believe you read any of my previous statements.
Remember .. sometimes it helps to find out what people are talking about if you back track to their previous messages.
Obviously, you didn’t understand that my statement was about ZELL MILLER - and as far as I know Zell has not made any statements about appointing anybody.
Clearly we are not on the same wavelength.
You will not say any supportive word of any Democrat. You don’t have to be a Democrat to work with any of them.
Reagan originally was a Democrat. You have an issue with him? Because I will tell you as someone who started on the left and became a liberty minded Republican that if you take a purity test, the people you’d like to pass may not. A big part of the reason so many people departed from the left is that the mantra of the left is that we are free to do as we are told.
Lee Atwater built a big tent. I am pro life but I am not going to axe the party because I am a single issue voter. If you think about it, we are talking not about just the 40 million lives lost, but an additional prospective 250 million+ lives to be lost if we lose the war.
Markos Moulitsas Zuniga built their single issue voter tent. It is much weaker than we think, if Republicans can pull together.
If not, then we get what we get.
BTW I believe that all of the major Republican candidates would try to appoint strict constructionist judges, which is an additional control.
I will vote for Mike Huckabee as many others will too.
Wonderful!! You just elected Obama!!
It doesn’t get much more stupid than that!!
And .. under Obama .. if you didn’t like 9/11 - get ready .. you’re going to have another chance to see the terrorists attack us .. BIG TIME!!
Remember .. 1993 - WTC - 2001 - Finished the job. The next one will be even bigger .. and the intel groups have been saying for months that a plan is already in motion.
I guess the only thing that will wake America up is to be forced to suffer another devastating attack. I just hope my grandchildren are not part of the target!!
Thank you very much!!