Posted on 11/25/2007 5:58:15 PM PST by Travis McGee
“Is Pat “SS” Buchanan blaming the support for the “jews” again for America’s problems?”
No, but it looks like the same gang is out using their tired old routine of “pin the Swastika on Pat”.
What’s that rule that goes something like “whoever invokes Hitler first” loses?
Not that you want to let mere facts get in the way of your story, but it was Reagan’s advance man Michael Deaver who set up the wreath-laying ceremony at Bitburg where the SS troops were buried; maybe you can add him to the Nazi-roster:
Well,I am also a boomer and I am childless,not because I was selfish or philisophically opposed to kids but the simple fact is that I never met a woman who even came close to being someone I would want helping raise MY child.
Too bad so many Americans, even here on the FR, can’t seeing to see things much past their own noses.
I think they are out. The Capitol switchboard collapsed for the first time in history over that amnesty bill.
I disagree with Pat over Iraq. That turned into a war because the mistakes of the last 4 Presidents got dumped in Bush's lap. Now we are going to have a friend there pretty soon.
I agree with Pat that the political correct way of avoidance got us here. These issues have to be laid on the table in plain sight and discussed as they are.
Sarkozy laid many of these same issues out in France of all places and won election. People want to vote on these issues. Illegal immigration is on top as an 80%-20% issue.
Great questions. Odds are you will not receive logical answers from those you are posing the questions to.
S’aright.... Instead of a little Riverman you have Juan. No reason you should suffer a decrease in lifestyle due to the baby-bust, we’ll just let them sneak in....
“OK, aside Bush and friends name calling smear tactics to get Buchanan out of the Republican Party primary, just what tangible basis do you have for such an accusation?”
Do you recall President Reagan laying a wreath at the German military cemetery in Bitburg? That’s where the “Pat SS Buchanan” attack got started. There were SS troops buried there, and the Buchanan-haters attributed the idea of the wreath-laying and the selection of Bitburg to Buchanan, which they claim as evidence of his Nazi sympathies. I’m pretty sure I once heard Dennis Prager repeat the charge.
In fact the wreath ceremony and Bitburg were chosen by Michael Deaver, who served as Reagan’s advance man. Buchanan had nothing to do with the event, but since the Buchanan-haters hate him and not Michal Deaver, Buchanan gets to be the Nazi. As did President Reagan at the time, something conveniently forgotten by the crowd that likes to throw around charges of Nazism.
To honor your most reasonable request, I have done some further study, and come up with the following:
In 1990 William F. Buckley reviewed Pat Buchanan’s record in a lengthy National Review article, and concluded that he was an anti-Semite. Many years later, I believe that Buckley softened that appraisal of Buchanan to an Ann-Coulter-style-provocateur.
William Safire, Pat’s speech-writing colleague in the Nixon Adminitration, appraised Pat as a 4 to 5 on the anti-semitism scale, where Farrakhan is a 7 and Hitler a 10.
For me Pat’s most peculiar episode was his insistence that Desert Storm ( the war to liberate Kuwait ) was due to Jewish influence, saying “There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East-the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States” ( quite bizarre, since the Saudis invited us in, and the American people were overwhelmingly in favor of liberating Kuwait ).
Opposition to a US alliance with Israel, per se, does not make anyone an anti-semite. In Pat’s case, however, he does seem to have a major chip on his shoulder toward the Jews and Israel. He has at times been spoiling for a verbal quarrel, even to the point of making preposterous claims, such as noted above.
And then there’s Pat’s self-appointed role as defender of many accused NAZIs; which in my opinion is a strange hobby for a would-be statesman ( I wish he would spend half that energy trying to free Compean and Ramos ). Out of that advocacy role also came some peculiar statements from Pat about the details of the NAZI murder factories, that have been interpreted by many as Holocaust revisionism.
Here is a lengthy article by Joshua Muravchik on Pat Buchanan’s accused-NAZI defense activities:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n23_v45/ai_14753228
One naturally wonders why a man of Buchanan’s success and eminence behaved like this. It was surely not out of any calculation of self-interest. I assume that he was expressing his deeply held convictions.
I’ve read up a bit more on Bitburg in the past couple of days, and it now seems to me that there is no proof that Buchanan was the instigator of that visit. It seems more likely that he was blamed in various ways for that Reagan Adminitration foul-up because of his past reputation for anti-semitism.
Here’s one rather complete representation of Pat’s history. I’d caution that the editor seems to me to be a Liberal Democrat, but most of the facts cited seem solid:
http://www.realchange.org/buchanan.htm
My overall impression remains that Pat Buchanan is an anti-semite. He’s probably not a particularly virulent one, but he’s made a point of being outspoken about it. FDR and Nixon were perhaps just as anti-semitic as Pat, but they did a much better job of keeping it private.
It’s also my opinion that Pat Buchanan is a brilliant man, whose writings are always worth reading, albeit with a proper sense of skepticism. If not for his unfortunate “ethnic preoccupations”, he would rightly be considered a potential President. That is why I consider him a tragic figure, although I doubt that he would agree with my point of view.
Yep, that's when the US baby-bust started.
Of course we have to let Mexicans sneak in to keep our economy growing--you boomers didn't have enough kids!
Wouldn't it be funny as hell if the number of illegals now was about equal to the number of abortions from Roe v. Wade until 1980?!
You are correct - about 40 million abortions and 40 million legal and illegal immigrants since Roe v. Wade.
That's f'ing chilling.... That's a lot of my generation lost and replaced with lawbreaking Mexicans.
Look what happened to my country.
It get's worse. A lot of those babies born to illegal mothers didn't have a father years ago. They got the welfare treatment. Guess where they went for a substitute family? Gangs. And we house them in prisons now?
• A new foreign-defense policy that closes most of the 1000 bases overseas, reviews all alliances, and brings home U.S. troops
That's all well and good, but will doing all of this actually defend us from, say, Al Qaeda?
• A purge of neoconservative ideology and the “Cakewalk” crowd” from national power.
"Purge" really isn't the word I would have chose, but verbiage notwithstanding, I would have thrown in "far left nincompoop power" such as the modern Democrats.
(Sorry, I could have swore I read that someone requested some immature banter earlier in the thread.) :)
• To avert a second Cold War, the United States should “get out of Russia’s space and get out of Russia’s face,” and shut down all U.S. bases on the soil of the former Soviet Union
That's a little odd. Correct me if I'm wrong on this (because I was very young when the Berlin Wall came down), but didn't the "first" Cold War end preicsely because Reagan got "in Russia's face"? It almost seems to me he wants the US would prefer some kind of new detente policy with the current Russian incarnation.
• To reach a cold peace in the culture war, Buchanan urges a return to federalism and the overthrow of our judicial dictatorship by Congressionally mandated restrictions on the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
On this, I have to agree. The Framers intended, as I understood it, that Supreme Court justices were given life terms to protect them from the normal political influences that a Congressman, President, Senator, etc. would receive. I also have to think that such a concept effectively ended w/ a decision like Roe v. Wade.
• To end the trade deficits and save the dollar, Buchanan urges a Hamiltonian solution: a 20% Border Equity Tax on imports, with the $500 billion raised to be used to end taxation on American producers
Strangely enough, I'm currently reading "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell and things like this recommendation by Buchannan are probably a main reason why I'll have to buy the book in order to see in some more detail what he's talking about.
• To prevent America becoming “a tangle of squabbling nationalities” Buchanan urges: No amnesty for the 12-20 million illegal aliens; a border fence from San Diego to Brownsville; Congressional declarations that children born to illegal aliens are not citizens and English is the language of the United States; and a “timeout” on all immigration.
Totally agree here, although I semi-sarcastically believe that to universally anger everyone, the Gov't should give Halliburton a No-bid contract to build the fence. :)
Of course you, Travis, will be first in line to lap this up.
Not so fast scooter. Facts are stubborn things.
So now you've got sources that contradict the sources you posted earlier?
Have fun by yourself.
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Hey gopher, you need to learn the meaning of words and also when you quote Sam Huntington, you need to place it into context. Yes, most of the illegals have entered the US since 1965. Overwhelming doesn't mean exclusively nor does it mean that it was the first time we had the problem. Operation Wetback virtually stopped illegal immigration in the 1950s. Here is the full Huntington quote and you will notice that he did not attribute the increase in illegal immigration to the lack of babies.
"Illegal entry into the United States is overwhelmingly a post-1965 and Mexican phenomenon. For almost a century after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, no national laws restricted or prohibited immigration, and only a few states imposed modest limits. During the following 90 years, illegal immigration was minimal and easily controlled. The 1965 immigration law, the increased availability of transportation, and the intensified forces promoting Mexican emigration drastically changed this situation. Apprehensions by the U.S. Border Patrol rose from 1.6 million in the 1960s to 8.3 million in the 1970s, 11.9 million in the 1980s, and 14.7 million in the 1990s. Estimates of the Mexicans who successfully enter illegally each year range from 105,000 (according to a binational Mexican-American commission) to 350,000 during the 1990s (according to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service)."
FYI: The population of the US has increased by 100 million since 1970. And it will increase by another 167 million in the next 53 years. We don't lack for people.
The 1965 immigration law pushed by Ted Kennedy changed the composition of legal immigrants coming into the US and has altered irreversibly the demographics of this country. It may be the single most important piece of legislation ever passed in terms of the long term future of the country. It could be the instrument that will finish this country as we know it.
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