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Stocks Sell Off on New Credit Fears
Yahoo ^ | 11/26/07 | Tim Paradis

Posted on 11/26/2007 1:16:47 PM PST by Moonman62

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To: JasonC

110: Superb summary.


161 posted on 11/27/2007 5:04:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Mr Apple
What I heard was that Chuckie bigfeet Shumer caused this sharp late afternoon downturn when he sent an Official letter from his Senate Office to someone at the NYSE. Didn't hear all of this, as I walked into the room late. It was on one of the stock/money programs late this afternoon.No, but makes sense. Thanx for heads-up. Facts and reality sure gets in the way of gibberish, don't it!??
162 posted on 11/27/2007 5:28:38 AM PST by BlabItGrabIt (Trucks...Trucks....Trucks...Trucks)
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To: Professional
but yes, you’d better believe if they strip away the insurance backing, it will create an issue

You don't a situation like this with only one side of the transaction being stupid.

163 posted on 11/27/2007 6:03:02 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Professional
How big does the envelope need to be, that goes under the table?

Some of the Ivy's pay the guys who run their investment funds pretty well. Probably still a pittance by the standards of the street, but still. I can imagine that a lot of it is "old school" connections, you know, run a good portfolio, show us what you can do, and "we" will be watching. By the way, I have some really good stuff to sell, AAA rated, high yield, just the sort of stuff that belongs in your portfolio.

164 posted on 11/27/2007 6:20:28 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: JasonC

Anyone looking for a real life example of reinsurance gone wrong need look no further than 9/11 and Maurice “Chico” Sabah ... Fortress Re. I had a passing acquaintance with the man years ago. Unassuming, frugal, resided with his wife in a small brick ranch house in a middling neighborhood for decades, but amassed quite a fortune. After the collapse, the Japanese came after him personally in court, clamining all manner of malfeasance and misappropriation, eventually attempting to attach the assets of The American Hebrew Academy that Sabah made possible through his largesse. It dragged on for years.


165 posted on 11/27/2007 7:10:55 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Moonman62

Place holder ping to self...


166 posted on 11/27/2007 1:09:41 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Come back and visit tomorrow or the next day. The credit market problems haven’t gone away.


167 posted on 11/27/2007 1:44:27 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62
Well you and all your FRiends on this thread chewed away on my nerves so badly last night that I pulled all my stock MF positions off the market today except one.

I decided that this is starting to change from a correction to something else and on the first market up-turn (which was when the sun rose this AM), I would do just that and see what else develops for awhile... til maybe after Dec. and Jan. are over. Maybe even till Mar., like I did in '03... Dang! That was sure a good bull run from March '03 till last month!!!

I normally try not to read all the doom and gloom and out-right fright, but last night you guys finally got to me!!! (I hate to admit it and I probably shouldn't) But anyway I'm in cash now by and large and on the danged sidelines for awhile...

I would do my heart good to see Brinker blow a timing call just once just to see him eat a crow or two. Don't ask me why, it's just something I have about entertainers and celebrities being so heavily relied upon for personal financial advice when it's nothing but show business for people like him and Suzy Orman and Dave Ramsey.

Financial Professionals who actually give individuals and business owners real personalized advice like a personal coach are far more valuable to people than these celebrities. Just like celebrity governors have NOT proven to be good governmental policy creators and implementators at all!!!

168 posted on 11/27/2007 3:27:49 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Supposedly today's run up was because Citi got some money that they'll be paying 11% interest on. That's not very good news IMO, but the lack of really bad news seems to be a reason to rally. People who bought today are traders, not investors. The market is volatile.

On top of everything else, two Fed governors came out and said today that the credit market problems are one of price discovery and the market needs to work it out, without them lowering interest rates. Why don't they ever say a growing economy and rising wages need to be worked out by the market?

169 posted on 11/27/2007 4:11:32 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: SierraWasp

Brinker is good for general advice of a conservative fiscal nature but since he miscalled the QQQ years ago I ignore his specific recommendations.


170 posted on 11/27/2007 4:15:35 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: RightWhale
Well, the emotional auction pit with all the new investors being stampeded like sheep herds is balanced off by the MF mgrs and other big money movers and one kinda has to find ways to detect their clues.

I always remember that stocks and options can quickly go to zero, but funds pretty much cannot!!!

171 posted on 11/27/2007 5:44:36 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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To: Moonman62
"The market is volatile."

Yes, and that's a good time for puts and calls. About a year ago I started dabbling with 'em and they just laid there till they expired! Now they're zippin up and down like scalded apes!!! (grin)

172 posted on 11/27/2007 5:47:33 PM PST by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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