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ALL F-15s grounded! (again)
Fox News | 11/28/07 | nully

Posted on 11/28/2007 9:18:06 AM PST by null and void

All models A-E, F's still allowed to fly.

Cracks, causing crashes.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace
Breaking...
1 posted on 11/28/2007 9:18:07 AM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
Web site here

Story not on line yet.

2 posted on 11/28/2007 9:20:09 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: null and void

In service since the early 70s....still one of the most formidable fighter planes in the world.


3 posted on 11/28/2007 9:21:33 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: null and void

bflr


4 posted on 11/28/2007 9:21:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: null and void

I’ve got a block ‘C,’ but I’ve also got an ‘F,’ so my afternoon flight break will go on as usual.


5 posted on 11/28/2007 9:22:11 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: null and void
The planes have been grounded since Nov. 6, 2007.
6 posted on 11/28/2007 9:23:14 AM PST by Lecie
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To: Lecie

WHY does no one tell me these things?!?!!???


7 posted on 11/28/2007 9:25:15 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: Lecie

I may be wrong, but I thought they were cleared to fly after that grounding.


8 posted on 11/28/2007 9:26:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: null and void

Again?


9 posted on 11/28/2007 9:27:03 AM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: b4its2late
Apparently.
10 posted on 11/28/2007 9:27:35 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: null and void

There isn’t any “F” model.

A— original fighter model (most are out of service)
B — 2 seat trainer/fighter
C — current single seat fighter
D — 2 seat version of C
E — Strike Eagle fighter/bomber
K — Korean model

There was a grounding of the F-15 fleet a couple weeks ago due to a crash that may have been related to structural fatigue.


11 posted on 11/28/2007 9:27:45 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: null and void

This is old news. You must live in a cave.


12 posted on 11/28/2007 9:28:14 AM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: null and void
Entire F-15 fleet returning to flight
13 posted on 11/28/2007 9:29:03 AM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: MediaMole

My error, should be A-D grounded, F OK to fly.


14 posted on 11/28/2007 9:29:36 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: DoughtyOne
22/11/07
Entire F-15 fleet returns to flight
15 posted on 11/28/2007 9:29:58 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: jrooney
This is old news. You must live in a cave.

Fox reported it as new news.

16 posted on 11/28/2007 9:30:27 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: DoughtyOne
Only in Iraq and Afghanistan. The older planes remained grounded.
17 posted on 11/28/2007 9:33:06 AM PST by Lecie
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To: michigander

Thanks. I looked on FR and couldn’t come up with what you did. I appreciate the post.

Whatever the problem, I hope it’s not overly difficult to remedy.


18 posted on 11/28/2007 9:33:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Steely Tom
I am so glad I held out for the F-18 (I couldn't afford the options on the F-15, anyway).
19 posted on 11/28/2007 9:33:29 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: null and void

Maybe it isn’t just Cessnas being made in China


20 posted on 11/28/2007 9:33:45 AM PST by JZelle
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To: null and void
Update. Fox still treating it as new, major structural cracks in ‘rails supporting the fuselage’. Relating back to incident earlier this month when front/cockpit fell of a bird in flight.
21 posted on 11/28/2007 9:33:53 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: null and void

I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy theory, but this is pretty convenient given that the F-22s and F-35s are about to start coming online or will be in the next year or so... ;-) (had to be tinfoilish to add some humor to the situation).


22 posted on 11/28/2007 9:34:54 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Lecie

Thank you Lecie.

Check out the link at post 15 and see if it gels with your take on things. It may or it may not, just for reference purposes only.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1931772/posts?page=15#15


23 posted on 11/28/2007 9:35:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: michigander
Thanks. The last I heard was what I posted, that the older planes remained grounded.
24 posted on 11/28/2007 9:35:33 AM PST by Lecie
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To: af_vet_rr

And very few F-22’s at that...


25 posted on 11/28/2007 9:37:13 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: null and void

Despite stand down, CONR fighters remain on alert

2007-11-28 12:26:00
TYNDALL AIR FORCE BASE –

Despite a second fleet-wide stand down of A through D model F-15s, Continental US NORAD Region fighters remain on alert.

“Our Air Sovereignty Alert and Operation NOBLE EAGLE alert missions utilize various aircraft, including F-16s, so we can maintain our alerts and launch as necessary,” said Maj Gen Hank Morrow, 1st Air Force commander.

“We are supporting Air Combat Command as they work with various Air Force agencies to bring the F-15 fleet back to flying status as quickly as possible. Until then, we remain on duty protecting our homeland,” he said.

Air Combat Command commander, Gen. John D.W. Corley, directed the stand-down of all ACC F-15 A through D model aircraft, following recent findings in the Nov. 2 F-15C mishap that now require additional inspections and possible repair actions.

ACC recommends the stand-down of all other similar model aircraft in other Air Force major commands, including those under the operational control of U.S. combatant commanders.

The findings indicate possible fleet-wide airworthiness problems with F-15A/B/C and D aircraft. These findings, based on a metallurgical analysis of the mishap aircraft, have drawn the attention of ACC to the F-15's upper longerons near the canopy of the aircraft that appear to have cracked and failed. The longerons are the specific metal rails that hold the fuselage of the aircraft together.

This stand-down is pending the completion of all necessary repair actions. Although the longeron area was covered in general by previous inspections as a result of the Nov. 2 mishap, technical experts with the Warner Robins Air Logistics Center, assisting in the Accident Investigation Board, have recommended a specific inspection of the suspect area based on the recent findings. Manufacturer simulations have indicated a catastrophic failure could result in this particular area.

Based on this most recent data, the Air Force believes it is prudent to stand-down F-15 A-D aircraft until such time each aircraft can receive a more detailed and tailored inspection of the upper longerons along the focus area.

Air Combat Command continues to work with Air National Guard, Reserve and major commands in Europe and the Pacific and our joint and coalition partners to ensure mission coverage. The stand-down does not affect the F-15E.


26 posted on 11/28/2007 9:37:45 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: DoughtyOne
You're quite welcomed. I was taken by surprise by the urgency of the posting when these planes had been grounded earlier this month. And thanks to everyone for the updates.
27 posted on 11/28/2007 9:38:50 AM PST by Lecie
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To: null and void; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1931781/posts


28 posted on 11/28/2007 9:40:22 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: michigander

So it is a second stand down. Wonder what new information they found?

Thanks for confirming, and thanks null for pointing this out.


29 posted on 11/28/2007 9:40:35 AM PST by Steelerfan
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To: michigander

Thanks!


30 posted on 11/28/2007 9:44:05 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: null and void

;-)


31 posted on 11/28/2007 9:45:43 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: null and void
And very few F-22’s at that...

Yea, they still owe us a bunch of F-22's.........

32 posted on 11/28/2007 9:51:16 AM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: null and void
ALL F-15s grounded!

Do they have to stay in their rooms? Can they play Nintendo?

33 posted on 11/28/2007 10:04:42 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Larry Lucido
Yes. NO!
34 posted on 11/28/2007 10:06:15 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: null and void

I caught one playing FlightSim online.


35 posted on 11/28/2007 10:07:37 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: null and void

I saw my first F-22 flying a CAP over Washington DC this Thanksgiving morning as I waited in line at the Washington Monument so at least we have a few other planes to back up the grounded F-15’s.


36 posted on 11/28/2007 10:40:36 AM PST by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: UNGN

Wow, I’ve never seen one in flight. Except for stories on the Military Channel. Which I love to watch BTW. One of our church elders is a former AF General who flew them all including the F-15E Strike Eagle. I asked him about what he thought about fighting in the F-15. He says that the only aircraft that was even remotely pilot friendly was the F-16. Everything else was too difficult, challenging and or distracting to fly.


37 posted on 11/28/2007 11:33:25 AM PST by STD (Huckabee's Band Really Rocked the FR crowd)
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To: STD
Wow, I’ve never seen one in flight.

It surprised the heck out of me. I was looking up at the Washington monument and it flew right over it. It's hard to judge altitude but I'll guess somewhere between 5 and 10 thousand feet.

I told my 8 year old son, "Look, an F-22!"

By the time I heard it, I couldn't see it well enough to identify it anymore or tell from the sound where it was, so I got lucky to see it.

38 posted on 11/28/2007 11:49:14 AM PST by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: jrooney

See post #26 “second fleet-wide stand down”

Do you live in a cave?


39 posted on 11/28/2007 2:35:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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F-15 A-D models ordered to stand down for additional inspections
F-15s suspended
An F-15 Eagle flies over the Pacific during Valiant Shield Aug. 9. The directive follows Nov. 27 findings stemming from the investigation of an F-15C mishap that resulted in the loss of that aircraft on Nov. 2 . Based on those new findings, all F-15 A through D models will undergo a stand down that will require additional inspections and possible repair actions. (U.S. Air Force photo/Senior Airman Miranda Moorer)

11/28/2007 - LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va (AFPN) -- For the second time this month, the commander of Air Combat Command has directed a fleet-wide inspection of all ACC F-15 A through D model aircraft. 

The directive follows Nov. 27 findings stemming from the investigation of an F-15C mishap that resulted in the loss of that aircraft on Nov. 2 . Based on those new findings, all F-15 A through D models will undergo a stand down that will require additional inspections and possible repair actions. 

Gen. John D.W. Corley, ACC commander, also recommended the stand-down of all other similar model aircraft in other Air Force major commands, including those under the operational control of U.S. combatant commanders. 

The new findings from the Accident Investigation Board indicate possible fleet-wide airworthiness problems with F-15A/B/C and D aircraft. These findings, based on a metallurgical analysis of the mishap aircraft, have drawn attention to the F-15's upper longerons near the canopy of the aircraft that appear to have cracked and failed. The longerons are major structural components that run along the length and side of the aircraft. 

Although the longeron area was covered in general by previous inspections as a result of the Nov. 2 mishap, technical experts with the Warner Robins Air Logistics Center in Georgia, are recommending a specific inspection technique for the suspect area based on the yesterday's findings.

Manufacturer simulations have indicated a catastrophic failure could result in this particular area. In addition, cracks were discovered along the same longeron area during two recent inspections of F-15C aircraft. These aircraft were immediately grounded based upon the inspection findings and are awaiting further engineering instructions. 

Based on this most recent data, ACC believes it is necessary to stand-down the F-15 A through D aircraft until such time each aircraft can receive a more detailed and tailored inspection of the upper longerons in the focus area. 

Air Combat Command continues to work with the Air National Guard, the Air Force Reserve and sister major commands in Europe and the Pacific, as well as joint and coalition partners, to ensure mission coverage. 

The stand-down does not affect the F-15E. The duration of the stand-down is pending the completion of required inspections and any necessary repair actions. 

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40 posted on 11/28/2007 7:28:26 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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