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IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS?
1 December 2007 | vanity

Posted on 12/01/2007 7:52:20 PM PST by shrinkermd

Both Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd have columns today.

Rich has little to say about the Iraq War. He stresses Obama opposed it and Hillary did not. Presumably, this is enough for Frank Rich and Pinch to switch sides.

Here is a quote from Rich:

”…But much like the Clinton campaign itself, the Republicans have fallen into a trap by continuing to cling to the Hillary-is-inevitable trope. They have not allowed themselves to think the unthinkable — that they might need a Plan B to go up against a candidate who is not she. It’s far from clear that they would remotely know how to construct a Plan B to counter Mr. Obama. The repeated attempts to fan “rumors” that he is a madrassa-indoctrinated Muslim — whether on Fox News or in The Washington Post, where they resurfaced scurrilously on the front page on Thursday — are too demonstrably false to survive endless reruns even in the Swift-boating era…”

Rich’s article is Who’s Afraid of Barack Obama?

Maureen has a softer and more balanced approach but here is a choice quote of hers:

…Except for panicked Clintonistas, everyone seems eager to see if the young pol can live up to his potential. Responding to his more combative style, the press has relaunched him, giving him a second chance to shine, on this week’s cover of Time, in the pages of The New Yorker, in the up arrow of Newsweek, which now declares him “poised to be the comeback kid,” and at The Times, where young female assistants lined the halls on Wednesday to watch him glide into a second meeting with editorial board writers and editors…

Maureen’s article is O Brother, Where Art Thou?

This is a dramatic change on the part of the NYT. Even if it is brief, they seem to be acquiescing to the idea the Iraq War is going well and progress is being made. Seemingly, now they and others in the dominant media see it is time to think of someone other than Hillary..

For us it makes little difference who their candidate is. What is more and more important is new and novel leadership from our candidates with an ever increasing stress on what can be done not what has been done.

It is also time for our presidential candidates to cease the ad hominems and cheap shots at their opponents. Further, many and perhaps most voters in 2008 will have been born after 1980. This means the Cold War, Viet Nam and JFK are historical not personal remembrances. What is more and more important is we need new and novel leadership from our candidates. The election is about the future--what can be done not outweighs what has been done . This group of younger voters needs and deserves a positive, forward looking approach. Failure to grasp this will result in our failure.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; dowd; hillary; negatives; nyt; obama; rich
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To: shrinkermd

Throw Hillary under the Bus? Are you kidding? 1) It would break the bus. 2) It would break the NY Times.


101 posted on 12/02/2007 5:44:12 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: Reeses

I get your point but the idea of anyone named Hussein being Pres of the US just gives me major frissons. Even Hillary, knowing how much she could change this country in four years, doesn’t give me the same feeling.

I cannot believe we are even thinking about this. Either of them is just soo wrong for this country. I think I would prefer AlGore, the Asberger’s child in waiting.


102 posted on 12/02/2007 5:44:48 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: shrinkermd
the press has relaunched him, giving him a second chance to shine, on this week’s cover of Time, in the pages of The New Yorker, in the up arrow of Newsweek, which now declares him “poised to be the comeback kid,”

so editors are able to make the choice for a large percentage of voters

103 posted on 12/02/2007 5:50:29 AM PST by alrea ("I think the surge is working." Rep. John Murtha)
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To: ModelBreaker

Interesting post. We seem to be just muddling along in the same direction, dems and pubs. Maybe that is the way things are going to go until another Reagan comes along.


104 posted on 12/02/2007 5:51:06 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Scarchin
They are indicating a turn towards Edwards.

but how can a neo-socialist be the next bill clinton?

105 posted on 12/02/2007 5:52:23 AM PST by alrea ("I think the surge is working." Rep. John Murtha)
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To: shrinkermd

It does make a difference who the democandidate is. That candidate might win the election. The worst possible thing for the Republic from the Democrats is another Clintons presidency. The Clinton Organization will be much largerm more efficient and more professional than it was the last time. And it won’t be a bit more polite in destroying enemies. Can you imagine the IRS doubling or tripling its staff to take care of the audits on every prominent conservative and Christian in the country? Can you imagine Waco twice a year?


106 posted on 12/02/2007 5:54:07 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: Scarchin
I know quite a few libs and NONE of them LIKE Hillary.

My experience EXACTLY.

I had mentioned in a post recently an experience I had in the US post office recently where some self-admitted Democrat women said they agreed with my anti-Hillary t-shirt (which I wear all the time)

Even the pro-union female postal clerk behind the counter chimed in to the conversation and said how she couldn't stand Hillary.

As you said in your post, this Democrat fling with Hillary is more a function of the libs trying to RE-LIVE their 'Bill-is-a-political-God' glory years of the 1990s, when they easily crushed Bob Dole and outmaneuvered the Repubs on almost every turn.

Not to mention the fact that the fantasy dot.com economy turned everyone on Wall Street into 'paper' millionaires, only to have it collapse before the Slickster even left office.

Dems simply are yearning for those years when their leader could screw a barely legal intern on national TV, lie straight faced to his wife and the nation, and scoff at the Republicans all the way to the bank.

Hillary, on the other hand, is a cold fish -- and the libs KNOW it.

107 posted on 12/02/2007 6:07:50 AM PST by Edit35
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To: MortMan
They could very well be positioning her for her triumphant “comeback”....

I am of the FIRM belief that Hillary will eventually negotiate with the Lib powers-that-be .... and pick Obama as her VP candidate.

Hillary is repulsive to many level-headed Democrats just as she is reprehensible to most Republicans (although the Dems won't always admit it) --

Thus the libs need to formulate a new combination, now that they are seeing Hillary for the complete inept smarmy political whore that she is.

108 posted on 12/02/2007 6:14:41 AM PST by Edit35
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To: damondonion

Nor could I, but there’s no chance Obama would win the office.
He’d make a swell opponent in the general, though! It would make up for losing Howard Dean in 2004.


109 posted on 12/02/2007 6:35:31 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: Liberty Valance

Yes, why the picture of Catherine? A shout-out for us mixed race woman, please put a picture up of Maggie Quigley - she was in Mission Impossible III./Just Asking - seoul62.......


110 posted on 12/02/2007 6:42:42 AM PST by seoul62
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To: shrinkermd

May I please drive the bus?


111 posted on 12/02/2007 6:45:53 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Sooth2222
Yes, you are right. Here are my figures: ages 5-19, 20%, 20-44, 35%, 45-64, 24%, over 65 12%. Since 18 year olds can vote I add 5% + 35% or 40% of the electorate has been born after 1964. It is unlikely those born exactly on 1964 would have personal experience of JFK assassination, Viet Nam or even the high point of the Cold War.

If I had made the benchmark 1964 rather than 1980, I would have looked better. I guessed and was wrong, but the point still stands--a significant, at least a third and maybe 40%, will have limited or no experience with events up to 1980. At best they would have been 16 in 1980 and then this figure trails off to zero for those 28 years old (at the time of the 2008) election.

We have a vastly different electorate now and anyone who assumes we can re-fight past battles is going to be disappointed.

You were right! Thanks for the post. I got my figures: HERE.

112 posted on 12/02/2007 7:27:09 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

As you said in your post, this Democrat fling with Hillary is more a function of the libs trying to RE-LIVE their ‘Bill-is-a-political-God’ glory years of the 1990s, when they easily crushed Bob Dole and outmaneuvered the Repubs on almost every turn.

Not to mention the fact that the fantasy dot.com economy turned everyone on Wall Street into ‘paper’ millionaires, only to have it collapse before the Slickster even left office.

Dems simply are yearning for those years when their leader could screw a barely legal intern on national TV, lie straight faced to his wife and the nation, and scoff at the Republicans all the way to the bank.


All 100% true, they had it planned while they were in the WH before....it’s why they picked NY for her to run in...and ..unfortunately..it just might work.


113 posted on 12/02/2007 1:40:44 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican

Never happen. I actually agree with the loathsome Bill Maher on this-he laughed when someone said it and replied: “Are you nuts? that will never happen-a woman AND a black on the same ticket-it would be too much, too soon.” I agree with him 100%.


114 posted on 12/02/2007 1:44:14 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney

I say she’ll pick Richardson or Wes Clark. Probably “Lou Costello” Richardson, who’s only running for VP (and is the Klinton lapdog)anyway.


115 posted on 12/02/2007 1:46:00 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
I just have a question and this thread seems to be a place for it.

Why hasn’t AlGore written a book about his WH years? I am sure he could get a pretty good advance and it would/could be interesting if he was honest.

And, why is Joe Ward, the guy in the commercial abut how great the beast is in helping his son get treated, completely missing from Google, etc. There is no way to confirm his story. Me thinks it is bravo sierra.

116 posted on 12/02/2007 2:03:26 PM PST by casino66 ( If I vote Dem I'll get everything 'free')
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To: shrinkermd

Why do I get a picture of Hillary being run over by The SHORT BUS, which is full of DEM PRES. CANDIDATES?

“You b*st*rds, you’ve killed Kenny!”


117 posted on 12/02/2007 2:10:22 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: casino66

Wouldn’t have anything to do with Al Gore being on the Board of Google, would it?


118 posted on 12/02/2007 2:11:59 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: SatinDoll

“the rules” - don’t you know the rules, newbie?

Oh, wait, you’ve been here longer than me..... so the question remains, how have you missed “the rules” all this time? :^)

Pics of CZJ serve as garlic, crosses, wooden stakes in fighting off the leftist vampire known as Maureen Dowd. Also fun to mock MD since that arrogant twit deserves to be mocked.


119 posted on 12/02/2007 2:14:19 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: UCANSEE2

I have often wondered if that was his reward for keeping his mouth shut.


120 posted on 12/02/2007 2:23:49 PM PST by casino66 ( If I vote Dem I'll get everything 'free')
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To: Joe Boucher
Yeah Joe, she has a face that only a mother could love, on payday.
121 posted on 12/02/2007 2:57:41 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: SatinDoll
In fairness, here's Maureen. (yes, I would) Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
122 posted on 12/02/2007 4:56:34 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican; All
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
123 posted on 12/02/2007 4:58:33 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: cajungirl
Interesting post. We seem to be just muddling along in the same direction, dems and pubs. Maybe that is the way things are going to go until another Reagan comes along.

Probably true. But, in 1980, it took 13% inflation, 10% unemployment, and humiliation overseas for the American public to wake up to the fact that muddling along with the left didn't work. Would rather we didn't get that far down again.

124 posted on 12/02/2007 5:33:10 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: maine-iac7

I do now. I’ve been told about it, oh! A dozen times or more! LOL!!


125 posted on 12/02/2007 6:43:16 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: Jim Noble; billhilly

“We look forward to articles by Maureen. The reward makes it worthwhile.”

OBVIOUSLY! Enough already!!!


126 posted on 12/02/2007 6:45:37 PM PST by SatinDoll
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