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HORRIBLE HUCK; PUSHING POPULIST PAP
The New York Post ^ | December 3, 2007 | George Will

Posted on 12/03/2007 10:04:42 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084

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On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee's candidacy rests on serial non sequiturs: I am a Christian, therefore I am a conservative, therefore whatever I have done or propose to do with "compassionate," meaning enlarged, government is conservatism. And by the way, anything I denote as a "moral" issue is beyond debate other than by the uncaring forces of greed.

His is a moralist's version of the intellectual vanity once ascribed to Oxford's Benjamin Jowett:

My name is Jowett

Of Balliol College;

If I don't know it,

It is not knowledge.

Many Iowans think it would be wise to nominate a candidate who, when the Republicans were asked during a debate to raise their hands if they do not believe in evolution, raised his. But, then, Huckabee believes America can be energy independent in 10 years, so he has peculiar views about more than paleontology.

Huckabee combines pure moralism with incoherent populism: He wants Washington to impose a nationwide ban on smoking in public, show more solicitude for Americans of modest means and impose more protectionism, thereby raising the cost of living for Americans of modest means.

Although Huckabee is considered affable, two subliminal but clear enough premises of his Iowa attack on Mitt Romney are unpleasant: The almost 6 million American Mormons who consider themselves Christians are mistaken about that. And - 55 million non-Christian Americans should take note - America must have a Christian president.

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If Huckabee succeeds in derailing Romney's campaign by raising a religious test for presidential eligibility, that will be clarifying: In one particular, America was more enlightened a century ago.

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KEYWORDS: giuliani; huckabee; rudygiuliani; vicepresident
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I am not posting this because I dislike Huckabee and I am not a huge fan of George Will. Here's what I want to know...

George Will endorses Rudy...Rudy and Huckabee are friendly (see last debate)...speculation abounds that Rudy would choose Huck to be his VP in order to throw socons a token and keep them on board...so why does George Will go out of his way to flame Huckabee??????

1 posted on 12/03/2007 10:04:44 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Huckabee is a fake, a phony and a fraud.


2 posted on 12/03/2007 10:07:55 AM PST by A. Morgan (Each terrorist we kill lowers the carbon foot print of the war.)
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To: A. Morgan
Huckabee is a fake, a phony and a fraud.

Get out of the race, you fake-phony-2-bit-fraud! /bob grant

3 posted on 12/03/2007 10:10:31 AM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I just heard Rush discuss the new Rasmussen poll showing Huckabee gaining ground against Rudy in the national poll.

Then, in a clear reference to Huckabee, Rush said that the Drive-by Media will build up the Republican candidate who THEY think is going to be the easiest to defeat in the general election. Then once the candidates are nominated, they will start to tear down the very same GOP candiate that they praised during the primaries.


4 posted on 12/03/2007 10:10:52 AM PST by Signalman
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To: flashbunny; NeoCaveman; SoConPubbie; Esther Ruth; pissant; pandoraou812; gidget7; 383rr; WOSG; ...

ping.


5 posted on 12/03/2007 10:11:15 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE true conservative candidate.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

To maintain the appearance of journalistic integretity? Bleah and double bleah.

GO DUNCAN HUNTER!


6 posted on 12/03/2007 10:11:26 AM PST by Valpal1 (Blame the loss of civility on criminals and terrorists, not the cops.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I don’t much like George Will either. I think he often gets things wrong, or at least sideways.

This is one of those times. The problem with HuckaNanny isn’t his Christianity, it’s his pure, unbridled socialism.

Socialism sucks. Period. Even if pushed by a Baptist Minister.


7 posted on 12/03/2007 10:11:57 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: A. Morgan

We all understand that he is a phony and a fraud who would gladly accept a VP spot on a pro baby killing Rudy ticket in order to gain power to enact his Health Fanaticism, and straighten out the fatties and the smokers.

But why does a Rudy teammate like Will, bash Huckabee. Of course George Will is right on this one but....


8 posted on 12/03/2007 10:12:21 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Can you believe one of these traitors, frauds, thugs,
flip-floppers, nuts or liars might be the next POTUS?

Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.
Hillary Rodham Clinton,
Christopher John Dodd
Johnny Reid Edwards
Maurice Robert Gravel
Dennis John Kucinich
Barack Hussein Obama
William Blaine Richardson III

Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
Michael Dale Huckabee
John Sidney McCain III
Ronald Ernest Paul
Willard Mitt Romney

9 posted on 12/03/2007 10:12:29 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy,Romney,McCain, Huckabee will send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

George and Rudy have to keep the Huckster in his place (as VP that is).


10 posted on 12/03/2007 10:12:55 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE true conservative candidate.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Rush also said that the Drive-Bys want Huck so that they can use his religion to incite fear later on.
11 posted on 12/03/2007 10:13:14 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Even though I don’t believe a word that comes out of Romney’s mouth, he makes Kerry look like a man of conviction, I would still prefer him to the Huckster. Romney may not believe the conservative talking points that he has so recently discovered, but at least he is mouthing him. Huckabee seems to have many believing that he is “the conservative” candidate, based on his status as a former minister, while not having to back off of his liberal philosophy. If elected, Huckabee can say, “Hey, you knew I was for Amnesty and big government. I have a mandate.”

Scary.

12 posted on 12/03/2007 10:13:24 AM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: Valpal1
"GO DUNCAN HUNTER!"

+1

I wonder when his campaign will finally get some traction.

13 posted on 12/03/2007 10:13:45 AM PST by CASchack
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To: samtheman
This is one of those times. The problem with HuckaNanny isn’t his Christianity, it’s his pure, unbridled socialism.

I think Will agrees with you 100%. I didn't see where he criticized Christianity or Christians in this piece at all.

14 posted on 12/03/2007 10:13:55 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: samtheman

I agree!


15 posted on 12/03/2007 10:17:08 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Maybe. But it seemed typical sideways-Will to me. Made more of an issue of not raising his hand for evolution than raising Arkansas taxes.


16 posted on 12/03/2007 10:17:16 AM PST by samtheman
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To: OB1kNOb
OB, you should add one of these graphics to the Huck list.

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The liberal MSM must really think Social Conservatives are stupid. They keep pitching and pimping the Huckster hoping somebody will buy. Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

17 posted on 12/03/2007 10:17:29 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“George Will endorses Rudy...Rudy and Huckabee are friendly (see last debate)...speculation abounds that Rudy would choose Huck to be his VP in order to throw socons a token and keep them on board...so why does George Will go out of his way to flame Huckabee??????”

Answer: Will should never have been anything but a sportswriter. He is way out of his league.


18 posted on 12/03/2007 10:18:37 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Rasmussen daily tracking polls today showed Guilianni at 20% and Huckabee at 17%. That’s where this attack comes from . . . Will the shill for his man Rudy.


19 posted on 12/03/2007 10:18:45 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Dunno...but he’s right about Huck.

Huckabee appeals to the segment of Evangelicals that feel that being Christian and in politics means you must impose those values by legislative fiat.

Nothing could be further from the truth.


20 posted on 12/03/2007 10:18:55 AM PST by RockinRight (Evangelicals, OPEN YOUR EYES. Socialism is NOT compatible with social conservatism over the long run)
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To: NavVet

At least Romney had a conversion. What he needs to remember is that you don’t just get baptized or born again as a Christian and then become Pope.


21 posted on 12/03/2007 10:19:38 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: samtheman

You’re 100% correct. My point, and Will’s, is that his SUPPORTERS are basically taking the approach that the “most Christian” guy is always the best candidate and either LIKE his socialism, don’t care about it, or don’t know about it.


22 posted on 12/03/2007 10:20:02 AM PST by RockinRight (Evangelicals, OPEN YOUR EYES. Socialism is NOT compatible with social conservatism over the long run)
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To: Bobkk47

Then, in a clear reference to Huckabee, Rush said that the Drive-by Media will build up the Republican candidate who THEY think is going to be the easiest to defeat in the general election. Then once the candidates are nominated, they will start to tear down the very same GOP candiate that they praised during the primaries.................

Oh, we know. We got a copy of the secret Memo that the MSM has been circulating around...

MEMO

TO: Traditionalist rural Christian voters
FROM: LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post, Salon, AP, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN
RE: Mike Huckabee
DATE: November 29, 2007

Dear Bible Thumping toothless rednecks,

Please remember to vote for the tax raising, environmentalist wacko, nanny state sheeple controlling, smoker banning, open border third world America killing, Socialist candidate we tell you to vote for in the primary....Mike Huckabee.

He is pro life and he talks about Jesus. That should be good enough for you.

DO NOT VOTE FOR REAL CONSERVATIVES LIKE FRED THOMPSON OR DUNCAN HUNTER. THAT WOULD DERAIL OUR QUEST TO TURN AMERICA INTO A THIRD WORLD SOCIALIST STATE.

Thank you,

The Elitist left wing media


23 posted on 12/03/2007 10:23:45 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“But why does a Rudy teammate like Will, bash Huckabee. Of course George Will is right on this one but....”

George Will would be happy with any liberal squish RINO.

Rooty and Mutt both fit his choice.


24 posted on 12/03/2007 10:24:25 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Duncan Hunter doesn’t need to constantly prove his Conservatism because it has been obvious throughout his political career through his actions while the so called “top tier” candidates keep trying to prove with words only their sudden “Conservatism” to each other and the world.
25 posted on 12/03/2007 10:25:22 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: eyespysomething

Huckabee has a poor track record on issues that should be among the most important to conservatives and patriots. He would be unable to clearly differentiate himself from FRudy McRomney on the important issues of growth of government and illegal immigration.

The shame is that one of the two candidates who offer a true conservative, small government platform - Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter - couldn’t have been the one to place second in the Iowa straw poll and be propelled to the point that Huckabee is now in.

Regardless of who the GOP candidate is in November, it’s looking like conservative voters are going to be in for another disappointment.

FRudy McRomnee offer nanny state, big government, open border amnesty with a pinch of socialized health care, and conservatives and patriots are looking at another four or eight years of watching the country they love follow the path of every once-great nation.


26 posted on 12/03/2007 10:25:48 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: Man50D

Hunter will POTUS one day. He just needs some national exposure as a Guv or VP. Hard to go from the House to the White House.


27 posted on 12/03/2007 10:27:40 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Romney’s conversion may be insincere, but at least he’s claiming to have one. The Huckster is proudly liberal.
28 posted on 12/03/2007 10:27:46 AM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: SittinYonder

You include Fred in that list. Why?


29 posted on 12/03/2007 10:28:41 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“why does George Will go out of his way to flame Huckabee??????”

George Will is his own man. I don’t think the circumlocution of pairing Huck and Rudy enters into it.
Maybe he likes Rudy because they are both Yankees fans, and as an elite and conservative intellectual, Rudy’s metro-conservatism hits his vibes better than a southern populist.

Huck and Rudy are like dipolar oppositions in the GOP big tent. It’s a “potassium chloride” ticket, one the social liberal security/crime-con, the other the tax-and-spend-and-compassionate-on-crime social conservative.

Be that as it may, I wouldn’t want to be on the end of Will’s rapier pen.


30 posted on 12/03/2007 10:30:30 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Excellent points. Truthfully, I fear for the boozers, they won’t stand a chance against the Huckster!


31 posted on 12/03/2007 10:31:12 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Pardon me whilst I go and puke.


32 posted on 12/03/2007 10:31:38 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

It sounds like George Will has no plans ever to seek the presidency of Bryan College in Dayton, TN (named for Wiliam Jennings Bryan).


33 posted on 12/03/2007 10:33:42 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: bmwcyle

Ping.


34 posted on 12/03/2007 10:34:15 AM PST by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I understand your confusion. This is one of the most confusing, irritating primaries I’ve ever witnessed.


35 posted on 12/03/2007 10:35:17 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: WOSG

Maybe your right. Maybe Will just introduced Rudy at CPAC and wrote some nice things about him but is not actively part of the campaign.

Maybe there is no conspiracy and it is what it is and Will is just writing what he thinks. So the conspiracy is...there is no conspiracy but they want us to think there is a conspiracy. Geez, I need some professional help :-)


36 posted on 12/03/2007 10:36:26 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Hunter will POTUS one day. He just needs some national exposure as a Guv or VP. Hard to go from the House to the White House.

Not only was Abraham Lincoln not the favorite as GOP nominee when the 1860 GOP Convention began (William Seward was the favorite) but he hadn't held political office for eleven years since his one term as U.S. Representative ended in 1849. He also failed twice to become a U.S. Senator.
37 posted on 12/03/2007 10:38:01 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: AuntB

It was really confusing until it finally sunk into my thick head that there are only 3 conservatives running and only one polling in double digits, Fred. I’ve been mailing him cases of Red Bull in lieu of cash contributions.


38 posted on 12/03/2007 10:39:29 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Man50D

Maybe you can answer this question because somebody else brought it up...who since Lincoln went from the House to the WH?


39 posted on 12/03/2007 10:40:30 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
On Drudge now:



HUCKABOOM


40 posted on 12/03/2007 10:41:39 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: NavVet

Further thoughts on this theme ...

Fact: Romney governed more conservatively than Huckabee.
Examples: Huckabee wanted in-state tuition for illegals, Romney vetoed it. Huckabee solved a budget crunch with sales tax increase; Romney cut taxes and spending during budget crunch.

Romney’s shifts on positions have been no larger than the Huckabee “I-was-for-DREAM-Act-but-now-I’m-a-maybe-on-it” dance, or any other number of issues. Yes, it is scary to see “compassionate conservatism II” in action because we got the GOP majority derailed on 3 simple issues - competence/corruption, spending, illegal immigration. AND WHERE IS HUCKABEE MOST WEAK? All 3!!

The big picture point is this - Romney is running more conservatively for President than Huckabee on these issues because that’s how he intends to govern as President.
Romney is better than Huck on exactly those issues where our compassionate conservatism has hurt us.


41 posted on 12/03/2007 10:41:53 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
You include Fred in that list. Why?

Because I think he's a left-leaning moderate. His political career, lobbying career and his alliances all paint him as a moderate who will grow government as a status quo candidate.

FRed will be the next George W. Bush - a strong leader against the Islamic threat and a huge disappointment to conservatives who are desperate to see limits placed on the size and scope of the federal government.

His down-home way is appealing, and the one time I met him I liked him very much. But I think there's a track record of supporting initiatives that grow government.

There are only two good conservatives in this race, and I don't think either of them stand a chance.

42 posted on 12/03/2007 10:42:00 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: ishabibble
Huck will straighten out the boozers just like he did the smokers. Some drinkers were all to happy to kick the smokers out so they can have the bar for themselves. Huck will fix it...

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43 posted on 12/03/2007 10:47:10 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Rush just said that the Drive-Bys are pushing Huck because they think he is a NUT!
44 posted on 12/03/2007 10:47:19 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: NavVet
Romney’s conversion may be insincere, but at least he’s claiming to have one. The Huckster is proudly liberal.

Huck is a proud ultra-leftist. His gleeful support of Kyoto should raise red flags to anyone who cherishes Liberty and capitalism. If Huck has any decency and honor, he would run as a Rat -- the home of rabid Socialist. Huck is a disgusting Fraud. I would like to ask where do "free will" come into the equation in his sick desire to impose nanny state solutions to everything.

Huck's first instinct to solve so called moral problems (i.e. smoking, illegals,etc) with the "force" of government doesn't sound very Christian to me. As a Christian, I am offended at how little faith the Huckster has in people "doing the right thing" because it is the moral thing to do, choices made freely.

Socialism is a cancer that will inevitably destroy any free society. Socialism at it's core is anti-Christian. Huck's rabid support of Socialism is sickening.

45 posted on 12/03/2007 10:48:06 AM PST by sand88
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To: SittinYonder

I think things would be different here. Fred understands that he was a necesary candidate because of grass root conservative support and if he wins it will be because of that support.


46 posted on 12/03/2007 10:49:46 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: sand88

Well said.


47 posted on 12/03/2007 10:50:36 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I have a great respect for George Will. He is writing us what he thinks, and on Huck, he thinks cogently.

Dick Morris, the Huckster shill and lousy weather-vane prognosticator, on the other hand ... can go suck an egg. With toes, of course.


48 posted on 12/03/2007 10:51:26 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: A. Morgan
Huckabee is a fake, a phony and a fraud

What? He is a true, pure, Christian Conservative.

The issue is Abortion and righteously moral personal life, for six months we have been told we must nominate on these issues or the social conservative will run a 3rd party candidate, to ruin the GOP. (even long time conservatives on FR were purged to make way for this candidate's wonderful attributes)

So why all the angst?
49 posted on 12/03/2007 10:52:52 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: stephenjohnbanker

But what about Keith Olbermann, he has at least 9 regular viewers?


50 posted on 12/03/2007 10:52:53 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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