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Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants
ClickonDetroit ^ | December 6, 2007 | AP

Posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer

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To: Snoopers-868th

And it will only get worse with Hillerycare..........


81 posted on 12/06/2007 7:56:45 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: eXe
People think these things are "great" until it bites them in the behind.

Tell me about it.

82 posted on 12/06/2007 7:58:07 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

I forsee more people taking a stand and refusing which will throw their preventive statistics out the window. People will wait for emergencies. I know I will.


83 posted on 12/06/2007 7:59:31 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: ShadowDancer

Many bars will institute a one time five dollar lifetime membership to skirt similar laws. Here in KC back in the 30s for a bar to be open on Sunday they had to serve food. So each table had a sandwich in the center that no one was allowed to touch. People will do whatever they have to to get around such laws.


84 posted on 12/06/2007 8:01:45 AM PST by Leg Olam (“If I had to live my life over again, I'd be a plumber.” ~ Albert Einstein)
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To: Vorleen

Smoking has a documented detrimental effect on the rate SOME people heal.

The operative word here is some. Statistically it is true, but in real life the opposite is just as true.

BTW - the stitches came out earlier and the cast came off earlier than was originally estimated. Additionally I came out of the anesthesia following my surgery far sooner, and without any ill effects, than was expected and instead of having to spend the night in the hospital I was home in my own house less than 12 hours after surgery.


85 posted on 12/06/2007 8:02:38 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Wow, that must have been frightening, sitting there waiting for that coiled creature to strike at any moment.


86 posted on 12/06/2007 8:02:50 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Philly Nomad

Smoking bans cause alcoholism?


87 posted on 12/06/2007 8:04:51 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Gabz

Read his post #6; you may be arguing with a born-again drinker.


88 posted on 12/06/2007 8:08:29 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
Wow, that must have been frightening, sitting there waiting for that coiled creature to strike at any moment.

Huh?

89 posted on 12/06/2007 8:09:16 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Snoopers-868th
Check out this thread:

Charbroilers in eateries face controls

90 posted on 12/06/2007 8:12:34 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Old Professer

Oh, I saw it...........

I like your take on it :)


91 posted on 12/06/2007 8:13:09 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

I had seen this. The environmentalists seem to have gotten the nod so hold on for a whole lot of this type of crap. When will they outlaw cars altogether or cows because they fart or it is inhumane to kill them for food? This will be just another way to tax us. I personally love charbroiled beef spread thick with butter, side of mashed potatoes, gravy if I can get it and a nice big glass of raw milk. I also love deep-fried chicken fried in lard. Also, I am skinny and healthy and in my 60’s. How can that be? Surely, if I don’t eat this stuff I will live forever!

Side issue: Don’t you think it is strange timing the S. Ct. is taking on the gun law?


92 posted on 12/06/2007 8:25:22 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Rita Hayworth

Ain’t anonymity fun?


93 posted on 12/06/2007 8:26:38 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: College Repub
Good. Good riddance to smokers!

Are you without vice?

94 posted on 12/06/2007 8:28:35 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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To: Snoopers-868th

There absolutely HAS to be gravy with the mashed taters - it’s the law (at least in my house)..........

But I know what you’re saying and totally agree with you.

Yes, I do wonder on the timing of the gun law scrutiny.


95 posted on 12/06/2007 8:31:27 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues; College Repub

ATC: If the screen name means anything this is a young punk who has been brainwashed by the liberals in his university or college and knows no better. I would say his college is for naught regarding our country’s future. They can’t help themselves and no not what they are doing. LOL


96 posted on 12/06/2007 8:31:59 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Elyse

Not as long as we have people who are too lazy or too proud to do their own wash.

Who wants to smell like perchloroethylene and acetone, anyway?


97 posted on 12/06/2007 8:32:07 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Vorleen

I don’t think a study of 54 patients is really conclusive of fact.


98 posted on 12/06/2007 8:33:59 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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To: Elyse

Not to mention this about the dangers of contact with dry cleaning solvents from sciencedirect.com:

Abstract
Trichloroethylene (TCE) and perchloroethylene (PERC), the most common alkenyl halides, have been extensively used in industry, and can cause skin damage. To evaluate their cytotoxic potential on skin, the effects of these agents on the normal human epidermal keratinocytes (NHEK) were investigated. Their action on cell viability, membrane integrity and lipid peroxidation (LPO) was assessed by neutral red uptake (NRU) assay, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) release test and measurement of malondialdehyde (MDA) levels and superoxide dismutase (SOD) activity. In addition, the protective effect of antioxidatant vitamin E on the cytotoxicity was also studied. Incubation of NHEK with various concentrations (0.01–31.6 mM) of TCE or PERC caused a dose-dependent decrease in cell viability, with 80% reduction at 31.6 mM. NR50 values from the cytotoxicity assay was found to be 4.53 and 2.16 mM for TCE and PERC, respectively. A time- and concentration- dependent release of LDH were observed at 1, 2, 3, 4 h after cells were exposed to different doses of TCE or PERC. These agents also caused an increase of MDA, whilst an inhibition of SOD activity, in a concentration-dependent manner. Pre-treatment of the cells with vitamin E at 10–200 mM dose-dependently attenuated the cytotoxic effect of TCE or PERC. Pre-treatment with vitamin E also reversed subsequent TCE or PERC-induced release of LDH, elevation of lipid peroxidation and decline of anti-oxidant enzyme activities. These results suggest that TCE and PERC could induce cytotoxicity to NHEK associated with oxidative stress and antioxidatant vitamin E could effectively protect NHEK from TCE- or PERC-induced cytotoxicity, which may be associated to the superoxide scavenging effect and enhancement of anti-oxidant enzyme activities.


99 posted on 12/06/2007 8:35:58 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Rita Hayworth
Almost all the restaurants in my town have gone smoke free and have noticed an increase in business. It’s a delight.

If that is by their choice fine, but let the business owner make that choice. If it is a wise business choice smart restaurant and bar owners will make it. If not they will not.
100 posted on 12/06/2007 8:37:42 AM PST by John D
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