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U.N. Blackballs International Scientists from Climate Change Conference
The Heartland Institute ^ | December 4, 2007 | Tom Swiss

Posted on 12/08/2007 7:22:30 PM PST by ricks_place

(CHICAGO, Illinois - December 5, 2007) -- The United Nations has rejected all attempts by a group of dissenting scientists seeking to present information at the climate change conference taking place in Bali, Indonesia.

The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) has been denied the opportunity to present at panel discussions, side events, and exhibits; its members were denied press credentials. The group consists of distinguished scientists from Africa, Australia, India, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

The scientists, citing pivotal evidence on climate change published in peer-reviewed journals, have expressed their opposition to the UN's alarmist theory of anthropogenic global warming. As the debate on man-made global warming has been heating up, the UN has tried to freeze out the scientists and new evidence, summarily dismissing them with the claim "the science is settled."

James M. Taylor, senior fellow for The Heartland Institute explained, "It is not surprising the UN has completely rejected dissenting voices. They have been doing this for years. The censorship of scientists is necessary to promote their political agenda. After the science reversed on the alarmist crowd, they claimed 'the debate is over' to serve their wealth redistribution agenda."

Taylor continued, "For example, ICSC scientist Dr. Vincent Gray recently published Unsound Science by the IPCC, which proves the main claims by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are scientifically unsound. Dr. Gray is an expert reviewer for the IPCC and has submitted more than 1,800 comments on IPCC reports. He is an expert on the IPCC methodology and published Spinning the Climate.

"Dr. Gray is the last person the politicized UN wants speaking," Taylor noted. "He single-handedly debunks the entire alarmist theory. And there are more than 600 Dr. Grays trying to be the voice of reason and science. All are being censored."

Tayor said, "The ICSC scientists don't agree with the pre-determined 'Bali Mandate,' so instead of discussion and debate, we get censorship. Until the UN rejects the politicization of climate change, their reports, protocols, and mandates aren't worth reading--much less ratifying."

The ICSC scientists will be available for advice and counsel in Bali, but they expect scientists to be ignored at the Bali conference.


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1 posted on 12/08/2007 7:22:32 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

This tells the whole story of global warming and should be shouted from the roof tops.


2 posted on 12/08/2007 7:25:27 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: xcamel

This may be of interest to you.


3 posted on 12/08/2007 7:26:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ricks_place

The UN has always had a problem with those that disagree with their preconceived ideas.


4 posted on 12/08/2007 7:26:22 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: xcamel; Reform Canada
OOpsie: The UN’s censorship wasn’t supposed to be noticed.

After all, we have “consensus” and the issue is settled: global warming will kill us - Unless we send the UN, Soviet Union, socialist Europe, and hundreds of third-world dictators trillions of dollars.

5 posted on 12/08/2007 7:28:07 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ricks_place

The left motto: Please don’t confuse me with facts.


6 posted on 12/08/2007 7:28:41 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: ricks_place

The Initial UN report a Few Years Back was retracted in the NYT a few Days later with the Methodology being incorrect in the Measurement of Sea temperatures were off by 40 % By That same Norweigan Scientist who always ask how Come leif Erickson abandoned Greenland when it was completely flooded.... was it Fossil Fuel???


7 posted on 12/08/2007 7:29:42 PM PST by philly-d-kidder (1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given)
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To: ricks_place

The UN is nothing more or less than an organized crime syndicate wrapped up in the guise of a petty dictatorship.


8 posted on 12/08/2007 7:32:23 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: ricks_place

This is more proof socialist U.N is spear heading a phony cause dubbed “global warming” that has nothing to do with the environment. It has everything to do with a socialist movement using the environment to further the cause of a one world order by inflicting more laws to control the masses.


9 posted on 12/08/2007 7:32:35 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: golfisnr1

We poor scientists trying to save the world are in dire need of more grants to pay for the higher cost of jet fuel for our private jets due to Bush’s failed Middle East policy when we attend important secret meetings on how to control the world’s economy.


10 posted on 12/08/2007 7:34:12 PM PST by Stayfree (*************************EquipmentSearchEngine.com)
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To: Graybeard58
The UN bans dissenting scientist yet Green nutters are welcome en masse.
11 posted on 12/08/2007 7:37:39 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: melstew

Ping!


12 posted on 12/08/2007 7:38:22 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: ricks_place; All

“The scientists, citing pivotal evidence on climate change published in peer-reviewed journals, have expressed their opposition to the UN’s alarmist theory of anthropogenic global warming. As the debate on man-made global warming has been heating up, the UN has tried to freeze out the scientists and new evidence, summarily dismissing them with the claim “the science is settled.”

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I believe in this theory here a whole hell of a lot more than cow farts and tail pipe emissions(scroll down to global warming section):

http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html

“It has been postulated that this is the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter and emit higher energies. Indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc.”

Read up people. “Global warming is a bad joke foisted to suck money from our pockets....

looky here....seems like those cow farts and tail pipe emissions are effecting all the planets in our solar system

“Other changes happening in our system

The “marriage” of our birth galaxy with our new adopted Milky Way galaxy is causing energy shifts that are obvious just about everywhere. Here are some changes being watched by scientists:

* A growth of dark spots on Pluto.

* Reporting of auroras on Saturn.

* Reporting of Uranus and Neptune polar shifts (They are magnetically conjugate planets), and the abrupt large-scale growth of Uranus’ magnetosphere intensity.

* A change in light intensity and light spot dynamics on Neptune.

* The doubling of the magnetic field intensity on Jupiter (based upon 1992 data), and a series of new states and processes observed on this planet as an aftermath of a series of explosions in July 1994 [caused by “Comet” SL-9]. That is, a relaxation of a plasmoid train which excited the Jovian magnetosphere, thus inducing excessive plasma generation and it’s release in the same manner as Solar coronal holes inducing an appearance of radiation belt brightening in decimeter band (13.2 and 36 cm), and the appearance of large auroral anomalies and a change of the Jupiter - Io system of currents.

Update Note: A stream of ionized hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, etc. is being directed to Jupiter from the volcanic areas of Io through a one million amperes flux tube. It is affecting the character of Jupiter’s magnetic process and intensifying it’s plasma genesis.[Z.I.Vselennaya “Earth and Universe” N3, 1997 plo-9 by NASA data]

* A series of Martian atmosphere transformations increasing its biosphere quality. In particularly, a cloudy growth in the equator area and an unusual growth of ozone concentration.

Update Note: Mars Surveyor Satellite encountered an atmospheric density double that projected by NASA upon entering a Mars orbit. This greater density bent one of the solar array arms beyond the full and open stop. This combination of events has delayed the beginning of the scheduled photo mission for one year.

* A first stage atmosphere generation on the Moon, where a growing natrium atmosphere is detected that reaches 9,000 km in height.

* Significant physical, chemical and optical changes observed on Venus; an inversion of dark and light spots detected for the first time, and a sharp decrease of sulfur-containing gases in its atmosphere.

* A Change in the Quality of Interplanetary Space Towards an Increase in Its Interplanetary and Solar-Planetary Transmitting Properties.

When speaking of new energetic and material qualities of interplanetary space, we must first point out the increase of the interplanetary domains energetic charge, and level of material saturation. This change of the typical mean state of interplanetary space has two main causes:

* The supply/inflow of matter from interstellar space. (Radiation material, ionized elements, and combinations.)

* The after effects of Solar Cycle 22 activity, especially as a result of fast coronal mass ejection’s [CME’s] of magnetized solar plasmas.”

You believe in cow farts...I”ll stick to hard scientific data.


13 posted on 12/08/2007 7:40:02 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: ricks_place

More reason to get out of the UN


14 posted on 12/08/2007 7:40:09 PM PST by infidel29 (Voting for Paul? Might as well make it Ru Paul, he's got better legs.)
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To: Stayfree

“We poor scientists trying to save the world are in dire need of more grants to pay for the higher cost of jet fuel for our private jets due to Bush’s failed Middle East policy when we attend important secret meetings on how to control the world’s economy.”

Duuude! You forgot to encode that in party approved grant garble! It’s a good thing you didn’t tell the infidel about the secret handshake too!


15 posted on 12/08/2007 7:42:09 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: infidel29
More reason to get the USA out of the UN and the UN out of the USA!
16 posted on 12/08/2007 7:47:20 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: holdonnow; sono; rodguy911; STARWISE; HonestConservative; Clint N. Suhks; sofaman; SoCalPol; ...

ping


17 posted on 12/08/2007 7:55:12 PM PST by AliVeritas (If the rock's not standing after the smoke clears... then what?)
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To: ricks_place; All

So wheres Ban Ki-Moon on this? As the successor to Kofi Annan, I thought he was going to push ahead with reforms at this corrupt, pathetic organization. So far, I am not impressed.


18 posted on 12/08/2007 8:06:17 PM PST by wingsof liberty
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To: ricks_place

Does this group have a website up yet?


19 posted on 12/08/2007 8:08:49 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Man50D
It has everything to do with a socialist movement using the environment to further the cause of a one world order by inflicting more laws to control the masses.

that's the whole ball of wax -

Keep your eye on that ball, folks -

20 posted on 12/08/2007 8:09:44 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: I got the rope
International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC)
21 posted on 12/08/2007 8:13:11 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: wingsof liberty

Are you serious? Ban Ki-Moon has flown to Antarctica to promote more “climate change” bloviation and has declared GW to be his #1 priority. He is a disaster already.

I’m sure nobody at the UN cares about this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936812/posts

Scientific fraud, incompetence, and dishonesty go so nicely with everything else at the UN..... corruption, depravity, anti-Semitism, cuddling up to the world’s worst tyrants, and so much more!!


22 posted on 12/08/2007 8:13:19 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: taxed2death
a relaxation of a plasmoid train which excited the Jovian magnetosphere

What he said.

And I think we ought to fuel up a private jet and send Gore there immediately to get it all straightened out - he can be the savior of the solar system = maybe the whole galaxy - maybe the Universe.

I think we should be sure he gets that chance = just get him outta here

23 posted on 12/08/2007 8:16:56 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: aflaak

ping


24 posted on 12/08/2007 8:22:06 PM PST by r-q-tek86 (rich, berserker, shield biting, mushroom eating, soccer ignoring business owner)
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To: ricks_place

Great thread by the way.


25 posted on 12/08/2007 8:24:44 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: ricks_place
The United Nations has rejected all attempts by a group of dissenting scientists seeking to present information at the climate change conference taking place in Bali, Indonesia.

Did they reject the report, or did they just not allow their plane to come? Ngurah Rai International Airport already was over capacity for private jets which forced them to have some of the jets park at other airports in Indonesia. Maybe our environmental superiors should have jetpooled.

26 posted on 12/08/2007 8:26:35 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: ricks_place

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.


27 posted on 12/08/2007 8:36:13 PM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: ricks_place
There is a very simple answer to enlarge the group of the UN’s “allowable” scientific organizations at meetings like this - Withhold the US payments to the UN.

Every penny that goes from the US to the UN’s coffers should have to be voted on by Congress. In fact, all money from the US to the UN should be on an al a carte basis - We dole out the money for any and all UN tasks and organizations after each one has been approved by congress.

28 posted on 12/08/2007 8:39:27 PM PST by Carbonado
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To: taxed2death
A first stage atmosphere generation on the Moon, where a growing natrium atmosphere is detected that reaches 9,000 km in height.

Uhm, isn't "natrium" Latin for sodium, which is a metal? This metal atmosphere is 90 times as deep as Earth's, AND it's just beginning to form?

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around an atmosphere of metal. Sulphuric acid rain (Venus) was hard enough, thanks. This new "information" is just a bit hard to swallow.

Unless this is some other planet's moon, but even then I'd have expected news like this would be front and centre everywhere.

29 posted on 12/08/2007 8:41:53 PM PST by Don W ( Police were called to a day care where a three-year-old was resisting a rest.)
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To: ricks_place

Come on, since the U.N. wants us to all bow down to them, wouldn’t you be disappointed if your God could not a least pretend to control the weather.


30 posted on 12/08/2007 8:58:51 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: ricks_place; Calpernia; neverdem; Tolik

“The censorship of scientists is necessary to promote their political agenda. After the science reversed on the alarmist crowd, they claimed ‘the debate is over’ to serve their wealth redistribution agenda.”



Nails it right there.


31 posted on 12/08/2007 9:21:30 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

thanks, bfl


32 posted on 12/08/2007 9:42:44 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: ricks_place
James M. Taylor, senior fellow for The Heartland Institute explained, "It is not surprising the UN has completely rejected dissenting voices. They have been doing this for years. The censorship of scientists is necessary to promote their political agenda. After the science reversed on the alarmist crowd, they claimed 'the debate is over' to serve their wealth redistribution agenda."

Absolutely perfect summation of the whole "global warming" hoax.
It's all about the money. It's ALWAYS about the money.

33 posted on 12/08/2007 9:46:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ricks_place

Ping for later.


34 posted on 12/08/2007 10:49:56 PM PST by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: Stayfree

I sat back looked at the chosen location...Bali. Its a rather unusual place to have a conference of this sort. The “real” tourists who normally go there? Two bombings in recent history (2002, 2005)...have impacted tourism to some degree. The big crowd of Australians that used to go...somewhat down. The Europeans...still mostly in force. A fair-sized portion of the visitors to the island...are there for the sex trade...either women, transsexuals, or underage girls. The gov’t there admits that prostitution is absolutely illegal...but they aren’t discouraging anyone from the trade. There are at least 3,000 on the island who have AIDs...and in October...there was a massive government effort to train the hookers on the use of condoms. This effort was likely tied to the fact that well over 10,000 delegates were destined to arrive on the island...along with at least 2,000 media-players from across the globe.

Why would the big guys in the UN select Bali? You can take a guess why. Various UN-provided credit cards will be utilized for services during the stay...and everyone will note the services as “in-room” entertainment.


35 posted on 12/08/2007 11:34:51 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Don W

“This new “information” is just a bit hard to swallow.”

Understood. my point is if it’s a choice between this fledgling theory or cow farts that are effecting Venus....
well, I know which one I’ll go with.


36 posted on 12/09/2007 2:21:43 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: pepsionice

“Why would the big guys in the UN select Bali?”

I think the term is called “soapy massage”.


37 posted on 12/09/2007 2:23:16 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Don W

“I’d have expected news like this would be front and centre everywhere.”

NASA is about as mainstream as you can get.

“As our solar system evolves, the amount of planets that are habitable is possibly increasing.”

http://center.arc.nasa.gov/2007/11/05/are-planets-more-habitable-because-of-solar-system-changes/


38 posted on 12/09/2007 2:30:06 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: ricks_place; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown

New!!: Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



39 posted on 12/09/2007 5:00:37 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: ricks_place

Well, of course they did. They didn’t want those scientists to be pharting in church.


40 posted on 12/09/2007 5:34:05 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: knighthawk
US out of the UN
UN out of the US
41 posted on 12/09/2007 5:37:04 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Don W
That caught my eye too. See Phenomena Reported by Scientist for the source of that comment.
42 posted on 12/09/2007 5:49:42 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: ricks_place
the UN has tried to freeze out the scientists and new evidence, summarily dismissing them with the claim "the science is settled.

They are H€LL BENT on creating a WORLD SOCIALIST COMMUNITY ruled by the UN, paid for by the west and the USA in particular.

They are in a hurry to pull it off before the facts get in the way.

43 posted on 12/09/2007 6:34:13 AM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: Tom Jefferson; backhoe; BARLF; timestax; imintrouble; cake_crumb; Brad's Gramma; MizSterious; ...
No more UN for US-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

44 posted on 12/09/2007 1:03:49 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

#35 Interesting post.


45 posted on 12/09/2007 2:56:14 PM PST by lakey (Duncan Hunter '08 for President!)
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To: taxed2death

*bump*

Very interesting, though I wish that site had footnotes/links to some of those claims


46 posted on 12/09/2007 10:45:49 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: ricks_place

I agree with much of what the Heartland Institute generally has to say, but let’s face it—they are a tobacco and oil mouthpiece. How much did Exxon give last year? With all due respect, I wouldn’t take my scientific news from them any more than from the UN. As to Vince Gray, he gets marched out every year, and attacks the process, but offers nothing else. Let’s assume the IPCC is flawed, and that Al Gore is a hack, and that many global warming “scientists” have bias. All very true. Does that mean there is no greenhouse effect? Does it mean we haven’t increased carbon in the trophosphere by 40%. Does it mean the temperatures are not rising? Does it mean we shouldn’t at least be somewhat concerned about the increase in greenhouse gases? Again, the only true non-bias experts are the insurance industry. There is a reason they won’t insure coastal properties, and are pushing for ghg restrictions.


47 posted on 12/10/2007 4:06:32 PM PST by melstew
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To: melstew
...How much did Exxon give last year?...

Funding by Exxon does not taint an organization; that leftist (non)thinking is manure. Neither the Heinz fortune nor the Soros octopus offers support to the Heartland Institute.

...I wouldn’t take my scientific news from...

Please try thinking rather than taking your views from any particular organization. The post involved the Blackballing of dissenting scientist by the IPCC not a particular science view.

..Does that mean there is no greenhouse effect?Does it mean we haven’t increased carbon in the trophosphere by 40%. Does it mean the temperatures are not rising?

Not likely a man-made temperature rise. You have mistaken correlation with causation. Your Science Grade is a D.

Does it mean we shouldn’t at least be somewhat concerned about the increase in greenhouse gases?

The actual climate measurements do not agree with the climate models. The IPCC chooses to believe the most dire climate models over actual data. Kyoto compliance is very expensive and any future treaty compliance will be astronomically expensive. Just sending 15,000 people to Bali is a poor way to spend tax dollars. The appropriate action and low cost solution is 1)continue monitoring the actual climate and 2)continue funding climate modeling. The global hustlers can go find a new gig. Your Economics Grade is a D+.

...the only true non-bias experts are the insurance industry. There is a reason they won’t insure coastal properties...

Insurance companies are not unbiased; they act in self-interest! At one time the US Atlantic and Gulf coasts (pre-Global Warming term - Hurricane Alley) had limited economic development. After much promotion and much development the coastal areas grew plenty. Almost anywhere a hurricane hits will cost zillions and hurricanes are always gonna be coming. The insurance companies were hit big by a few unlucky strikes and learned a very harsh lesson in Risk Analysis(New Orleans is below sea level). The premiums are not high enough to compensate for the newly appreciated Risk and those markets will be exited. Global Warming is a convenient excuse to grease that skid. Your Business Grade is F. Go read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

48 posted on 12/10/2007 5:33:34 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

Are you saying that you don’t consider funding when you evaluate a source? That explains a lot.

I said take news, not take views. I have read hundreds of articles, interviewed NOAA representatives, a Republican Senator, Inuit hunters, attended a George Will lecture...all because I wanted to draw my own conclusion. So you can drink the koolaid, or we can honestly debate—but don’t accuse me of not thinking.

Rise in CO2 is not anthropogenic? Even Exxon would disagree with you there. Strange how you, with your open mind and all, can’t even answer the questions.

Did I say I support Kyoto? No I didn’t, and no I don’t so you can put that argument away. And I agree models are useless, but so what, actual temperatures are increasing. Do you deny that?

As to insurance companies, you made my point. Their success relies upon risk assessment. Unlike a scientist who wants to keep a job, or an energy company which wants sell product, it is in their interest accurately assess exposure. Why do you think Florida now has socialized property insurance? Because insurers won’t write it. If you knew anything about insurance, you would know that they don’t trust the old models anymore. Your conclusion that they are exiting coastal locations because they figured out New Orleans is below sea level, doesn’t even pass the straight face test. How do you think that conversation went? “Hey Bob, did you know New Orleans is below sea level?” “No Joe, I didn’t know that—we better stop writing business in Florida.”

Atlas Shrugged is my favorite book. Bioshock is my favorite videogame. You don’t have to be anti-business, or support Kyoto, or like Al Gore, or be a moonbat to be concerned about what CO2 may be doing to surface temperatures. Ask George Pataki, Bill Crist, Arnold, McCain and the growing list of Republicans.

Let’s face it, you brought a knife to a gunfight. You might want to bring a friend next time.


49 posted on 12/10/2007 7:03:43 PM PST by melstew
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To: melstew
Are you saying that you don’t consider funding when you evaluate a source? The UN gains a massive revenue stream if it can collect global warming fines( $33Billion from Japan, Spain, and Italy alone). The IPCC grows bigger if global warming is made an issue. Researchers advance their careers if their papers support global warming. Al Gore increases profits if the planet has a fever.

Try looking at what I actually posted rather than constructing your straw-man argument. Your interview with an Eskimo has no relevance. George Will is a political commentator not a source. Draw your own global warming conclusions but keep an open mind.

Rise in CO2 is not anthropogenic? Try reading what was posted. "Not likely a man-made temperature rise." Some evidence has been reported that increased CO2 levels follow increased temperatures.

...actual temperatures are increasing. Do you deny that? I deny it three times before the cock crows. Temperature history must be reconstructed by proxy and not actual measurements; current measurements are plagued by poor weather station siting, poor maintenance, and questionable data manipulation. Recently, the record was corrected and moved many "highest temperature years" from the 1990s to the 1940s.

As to insurance companies, you made my point. NOT! At one time the US Atlantic and Gulf coasts (pre-Global Warming term - Hurricane Alley) had limited economic development. Its not global warming; Increased Coastal Development makes any hurricane hit potentially a catastrophic loss for insurance companies. Insurance companies and reinsurance companies came to grips with the risk of insuring coastal areas after big losses. Your straw-man construction and ad hominems are unnecessary.

Politicians, Democrat and even Republican, will jump on an oncoming freight train rather than get run over. Global Warming is that freight train. Just cause they drink the koolaid doesn't mean you should drink it.

Gunfight? What are you, wacked?

50 posted on 12/10/2007 8:47:04 PM PST by ricks_place
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