Posted on 12/10/2007 10:11:05 AM PST by Sopater
I’m thinking more vents when lungs no longer work, or tube feedings in guts where the gastric villi are gone.
Chemo can stop a disease from leading to that point.
Quite.
So, if you're a pharmacist who has moral issues with the morning after pill, look for another job.
Fine, I'll pick a better example. Cardiac bypass. Not God's will?
Or maybe not ;)
Again, cardiac bypass can keep you from reaching the point of needing 24/7 life support.
OK, here’s mine,
total PVD with vascular shutdown and encroaching gangrene at the outer extremities with repeated amputation/debridement of dead tissue up the limbs.....cardiac bypass then? I think not....the blood wouldn’t have gone anywhere anyhow. (I’ve seen this, it was a horrible way to die).
Or TPN given to someone with multiple metastatic sites including the GI tract, pancreas and liver-—tube feeding wouldn’t be absorbed via the gut lumen at this point and TPN wouldn’t have been able to get past the liver.
(That was Dad-— he just wanted to go home to die and no more needles)
OR tube feeding, chemo and a vent on someone with end stage myleofibrosis, leukemia and meningitis. (That was Hubby, and he had ALL his wishes written out in detail...again, no interventions).
Or a 3000 kcal tube feeding on an endstage Alzheimer's patient who was continually losing weight......while being totally bed bound and comatose. No matter how much we increased, changed or modified the feeding....he lost weight. He was dying. He had been for months, but she really thought that she was saving him (and it wasn't out of love, let me tell you) We could not get it through to his wife that he was simply not absorbing anything we put in him..... She kept yelling "I can't let him starve." All I could think was "Lady, he's starving and unless you can crack open every cell that isn't working, nothing you can do will keep him from starving." But for some reason, she couldn't fathom how 'food in' didn't = 'food absorbed'.
Sometimes bodies shut down....organs stop working and even if you force or replicate organ function..... cells actually stop taking in nutrients and oxygen isn’t even take in anymore. It’s called death.
It happens. And I sincerely believe that God doesn’t appreciate use trying to stop it at that point or us getting all pissy because we aren’t doing everything to stop it.
So,
you believe in Nanny stating and forcing businesses to bend their policies for a single individual?
If you don’t agree with the policy of your job, you leave it....don’t demand that the universe change for you.
Of course it was apples and broccoli. However, your basic claim was that medical intervention stops the will of God. Taken to a logical conclusion, there's not a lot of intervention we should be doing if we're really concerned with the will of the Almighty.
I am not for any nanny stating at all. I'm also for the preservation of life and the allowance for that in cases where it's the family's or the individual's wish. In this case, they have a DNR. One would have to honor that, in some sort of way.
I'm always careful about making rules from exceptions. Clearly, this child is an exceptional child with exceptional needs. And should not be used as any sort of paradigm from which we institute rules for all of society.
On that we’re in agreement.
I'll be more than happy to answer that, after you answer my question about your personal experiences with hospice care.
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