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How Many Lives Did The Concealed-Carry Licensee Save?
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Posted on 12/11/2007 5:16:00 AM PST by HD1200

Jeanne Assam carried her pistol with her to church on Sunday. She did so legally, having received a license to carry a concealed weapon. If a weapon in church seems incongruous, it also became providential on this particular Sunday, as Assam stopped an assault that may have killed many more people than it did.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; assam; banglist; rkba
December 11, 2007

How Many Lives Did The Concealed-Carry Licensee Save?

Jeanne Assam carried her pistol with her to church on Sunday. She did so legally, having received a license to carry a concealed weapon. If a weapon in church seems incongruous, it also became providential on this particular Sunday, as Assam stopped an assault that may have killed many more people than it did (via Memeorandum and many CapQ readers):

Assam said she believes God gave her the strength to confront Murray, keeping her calm and focused even though he appeared to be twice her size and was more heavily armed. Murray was carrying two handguns, an assault rifle and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, said Sgt. Jeff Johnson of the Colorado Springs Police Department.

"It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God," she said.

Assam worked as a police officer in downtown Minneapolis during the 1990s and is licensed to carry a weapon. She attends one of the morning services and then volunteers as a guard during another service.

Boyd said Assam was the one who suggested the church beef up its security Sunday following the Arvada shooting, which it did. The pastor credited the security plan and the extra security for preventing further bloodshed.

Murray didn't show up to shoot a couple of people and call it a day. Two handguns, an assault rifle, and over a thousand rounds of ammunition would have equaled a church full of corpses had Assam and others not been able to defend themselves and their fellow parishioners. Before Murray had a chance to really open up on what he assumed was a defenseless congregation, Assam used her training and preparation to save dozens of lives, at the least.

Over the weekend, Mitch and I discussed the Omaha mall shooting, where eight people died in a "gun-free zone" when a lunatic started sniping shoppers. Some questioned whether a CCL holder with a pistol could outmatch a lunatic with a rifle. This shows exactly what one trained shooter can do to defend against someone who randomly selects unarmed targets for slaughter.

And this is the folly of "gun-free zones". Lunatics looking to kill people either will attack at places for which they have some animus (as in the case of the church) or where they can find a lot of unarmed people (as in Omaha). They don't stop because someone puts up a sign designating a site as gun-free, any more than people stop taking drugs because a city puts up a sign that designates a neighborhood as a "drug-free zone", as in my own neighborhood.

All that sign does is prevent the Jeanne Assams from being able to defend the defenseless. That's all it does. It doesn't make anyone more secure or safe, and it has the potential to make a lot of people into victims.

After the Virginia Tech shooting, people asked whether a CCL holder could have made a difference once the shooting started. Jeanne Assam answered that question on Sunday.

1 posted on 12/11/2007 5:16:01 AM PST by HD1200
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To: HD1200

An armed society is a polite society.


2 posted on 12/11/2007 5:17:34 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: HD1200

This lady was given a gift, by God. She used the gift wisely. America was given this gift, by God. The enemy is the enemy, is the enemy. Does not matter, the enemy’s color, religion, political thought, for the enemy is the enemy, is the enemy, and is of the devil. This gift from God should be used wisely. I hope this gift will.


3 posted on 12/11/2007 5:20:24 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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To: Slapshot68

Glock when a 5 minute response time is a death sentence.


4 posted on 12/11/2007 5:22:48 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: From One - Many
It is even more amazing considering that these days most LEO’s are lousy shots and barely meet minimum range requirements.
5 posted on 12/11/2007 5:25:34 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: HD1200

The list line says it all.....

“After the Virginia Tech shooting, people asked whether a CCL holder could have made a difference once the shooting started. Jeanne Assam answered that question on Sunday.”

I have a CCL, but I usually only carry if we venture into high crime areas - but as this story shows this kind of thing could happen even in an innocent church where you would least expect it. I am going to make a New Years resolution to carry more and practice more often.


6 posted on 12/11/2007 5:26:12 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Slapshot68

God Bless Jeanne Assam...

.....and your comment has been in my tagline for years....


7 posted on 12/11/2007 5:26:21 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: HD1200

I’m guessing the Shooter might not have known there would be armed guards at the church. Otherwise he might of taken a different approach.

In any case, kudos to the Heroine.


8 posted on 12/11/2007 5:27:39 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: HD1200

“Two handguns, an assault rifle, and over a thousand rounds of ammunition “
Only takes one round to stop this.
Bless Assam and her faith.


9 posted on 12/11/2007 5:27:40 AM PST by citabria (Zoom, zoom, Boom, boom)
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To: Recon Dad

This article does not describe her maneuvering-into-position or any of that. I suppose that can be found elsewhere, but have not yet heard or read it. Any thoughts?


10 posted on 12/11/2007 5:28:47 AM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: HD1200

Will CNN now NOT GIVE OUT LOCATIONS OF SHOOTINGS so they can prevent another CCW rescue?


11 posted on 12/11/2007 5:30:03 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: HD1200

Only God knows I carry, and I think there is a strong wind on the horizon about an armed society.


12 posted on 12/11/2007 5:31:35 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Migraine
This article does not describe her maneuvering-into-position or any of that.

I seem to remember reading that she described just stepping out in front of him, identifying herself, and shooting him when he started to raise his weapon.

13 posted on 12/11/2007 5:31:52 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Somehow, I cannot imagine that the social conservatives who are hailing Assam as a hero are going to vote for someone like Huckleberry. He is the opposite end of the spectrum and not a good prospect for President.


14 posted on 12/11/2007 5:35:38 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: HD1200

I suspect that if someone were to try something like this in my church, he’d get shot from about 5 different directions. A lot of current and former military and police personnel attend my church. It’s a gun-loving bunch.


15 posted on 12/11/2007 5:39:20 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Oldexpat

Did you see Huck on Hannity and Colmes last night? He responded to the issue of why he helped spring a rapist from jail who later committed murder. I’ve never seen so much double talk.

Later, Dick Morris tried to give an excuse for him, claiming that the reason they let him go was because they were afraid he’d be murdered by his fellow inmates, who’d already castrated him. Morris did not understand why Huck did not use that excuse, but I can see why he did not. That just rubs it in, doesn’t it? He would be using his own failure to maintain order in the prisons as an excuse to justify a further dereliction of duty. If you’re going to use that as an excuse to release a rapist, then why not use it as an excuse to release this guy again, as a murderer?


16 posted on 12/11/2007 5:44:54 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: NavyCanDo

I belong to a large church that started in the pastor’s living room 20 years ago and is on the verge of becoming a mega-church. A few years ago I had reason to have ind-depth discussions with the Director of Operations. People think his job includes making sure the furnace operates correctly, but in fact it revolves around security. It’s surprising how many security problems a church can have. People in trouble gravitate toward a church, and sometimes that trouble can take the form of mental illness. In other cases the trouble can take the form of a woman with a dangerous husband or ex, or a parishioner with drug problems, or one with a past criminal history. There have been threats against the pastor, who is standing up in front of a congregation in a state of maximum vulnerability. Considering also how much raw cash is carried around the building after each service, one can also understand that there might be a threat of robbery. So our church not only has tons of off-duty cops directing traffic, but also a number of plain-clothes cops attending services. There are security mirrors and windows with which to observe the congregation and an alarm system. This is sad, but it has come into use.


17 posted on 12/11/2007 5:45:08 AM PST by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: Migraine
"It was just me, the gunman, and God." I identified myself, I engaged him and then I took him down," she said at the press conference. "I didn't run away. I didn't think for a minute to run away. I knew I was the one given the assignment to stop this thing."

A real Miss America!!!

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Above quote from: http://www.huliq.com/44441/jeanne-assam-me-gunman-and-god

18 posted on 12/11/2007 6:01:39 AM PST by Iron Munro ( (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.))
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To: HD1200
A caller to a Twin Cities talk show yesterday said she attends a large church in the northern suburbs. She said her church has had armed plain clothed guards for several years because there have been numerous threats against the staff and the building. I think it's going to get harder and harder to be a Christian.

If a weapon in church seems incongruous, it also became providential on this particular Sunday

19 posted on 12/11/2007 6:11:54 AM PST by DManA
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To: Recon Dad

Glock - the original point-and-click device!


20 posted on 12/11/2007 6:17:41 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Migraine
More here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1937821/posts

21 posted on 12/11/2007 6:19:46 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Slapshot68
I didn't see the police chief congratulating her, and didn't see the PD at the presser, is that right?

""Tactical officers with the El Paso County Sheriff's department take up positions behind vehicles around the perimeter of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs."

22 posted on 12/11/2007 6:21:32 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Brilliant

Pray that innocents beyond the suspect also in the 5 different directions don’t get hit. You paint a very difficult scenario.

She had the hallway and no one behind the target it seems.


23 posted on 12/11/2007 6:22:23 AM PST by George from New England
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To: Brilliant; All
Did you see Huck on Hannity and Colmes last night? He responded to the issue of why he helped spring a rapist from jail who later committed murder. I’ve never seen so much double talk.

I, too, watched him on Hannity and Colmes last night and observed a man who was very skilled at using factually accurate statements totally to mislead. It happened while Shaun was questioning him about the DuMond parole. Huckster never directly denied that he tried to persuade the Arkansas parole board to parole DuMond. Instead, he said he didn't grant DuMond clemency, that the parole board paroled DuMond, that its members were all appointed by Clinton and Tucker, and that he, Huckabee, later removed all of them, meaning each would have a motive to lie about Huckabee's trying to influence their decision in the DuMond case. In other words, he tried to give the audience the completely false impression that he had nothing to do with the DuMond parole, without ever saying he didn't, by challenging the motives of those former members of the board who've said he did advocate granting parole to DuMond. The man is as slippery and untrustworthy as a basket full of greased cobras.

24 posted on 12/11/2007 6:39:23 AM PST by libstripper (AVE)
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To: libstripper

Yeah... He said he did not grant clemeny. What he did not tell you was that the reason he did not grant clemency was that it wasn’t necessary since he had convinced the parole board to grant parole.


25 posted on 12/11/2007 6:46:34 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Migraine

The story is a little light on details, but too much information might be a bad thing.
I would like to know what weapon she used?


26 posted on 12/11/2007 7:03:01 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: HD1200

I keep waiting for the usual statement from the chief of police to the effect of “ everything worked out OK in this case, but we don’t recommend citizens doing this. After all the gunman could have taken her gun away from her and hurt someone with it.”


27 posted on 12/11/2007 7:20:48 AM PST by joshhiggins
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To: NavyCanDo

I am going to make a New Years resolution to carry more and practice more often.


I suggest instead of “more,” you consider: “always.”


28 posted on 12/11/2007 7:40:36 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: NavyCanDo

She saved a lot of people, especially in light of the fact that his “web site” has been made known. He created and wrote a 400 word plus verbal assault on “You Christians” saying “You Christians brought this upon yourselves”, and “I don’t care if I live or die as long as I hurt you”.


29 posted on 12/11/2007 7:46:09 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Eye of Unk

You know, I think you said it right, and that’s a very good quote there... “I think there is a strong wind on the horizon about an armed society”.

That’s “Heinleinish”! :)


30 posted on 12/11/2007 7:50:05 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

I can see it on other forums, an awful lot of posters asking about the best CCW gun over at www.glocktalk.com and I have yet to get to my other favorite pro-gun sites.
Its gathering momentum and on the flip side I also see some control damage taking place by the MSM. Its going to either get swept up by something else OR...

Another individual stops another potential mass slaughter elsewhere.


31 posted on 12/11/2007 8:02:39 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: HD1200

Jeanne Assam...America’s finest!


32 posted on 12/11/2007 8:06:55 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Brilliant
Did you see Huck on Hannity and Colmes last night? He responded to the issue of why he helped spring a rapist from jail who later committed murder. I’ve never seen so much double talk.

I think taking a special class in doubletalk is a prerequisite for being governor of Arkansas.

33 posted on 12/11/2007 8:12:01 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: HD1200
My wife and I just bought a new house a month ago. Our final home in our retirement. We moved out of the city limits of the college town we were living in. That also moved us out of the police jurisdiction of the town. We are now in the county’s jurisdiction. My cousin is the sheriff. He told me that even though we are only five miles out of the small town, we are FAR out when it comes to response times in the event of life and death. He knows I have a carry permit that his office issued to us both when we moved back here last summer. He told me to keep both the permit and my Glock ON MY PERSON at all times. He said if someone came calling, that I would be on my own, for perhaps as much as 15-30 minutes. THAT, is a death sentence to an unarmed home owner. At least I can even the odds a bit if someone does come calling uninvited. My cousin said, “I know you will handle the situation with no problem.” I told him, “no problemento.”
34 posted on 12/11/2007 8:12:33 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: Beelzebubba
I suggest instead of “more,” you consider: “always.”

Galco ankle holster + 2" 38 SPL snubby = warm fuzzy.

35 posted on 12/11/2007 8:14:34 AM PST by chesty_puller (70-73 USMC VietNam 75-79 US Army Wash DC....VietNam was safer.)
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To: Vaquero
Jeanne was two years ahead of me in school and I haven't seen her for twenty years. My impression of her was that she was the happy girl-next-door who was deeply committed to her faith. Her confidence and actions saved many lives and reminds me "I can do all things through CHRIST who strengthens me." - Philippians 4:13
36 posted on 12/11/2007 8:16:24 AM PST by philled ("CNBC?...You might as well be doing ham radio at that point."-- Dennis Miller)
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To: HD1200

I heard on Fox news yesterday that he had a backpack with about 1,000 rounds. How heavy is that?


37 posted on 12/11/2007 8:19:00 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: HD1200

I have been reading EVERY story on this. I cannot get enough of it.


38 posted on 12/11/2007 8:20:22 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Evil never sleeps.)
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To: Recon Dad
I would like to know what weapon she used?

I would like to know that also.

39 posted on 12/11/2007 8:24:28 AM PST by Current Occupant (IF YOU ABANDON CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES, ARE YOU STILL A CONSERVATIVE?!)
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To: HD1200

Yeah, a gun can save lives. The landscape in Texas as well as other states is littered with the bodies of burglars who thought robbing in the homes of eighty-years-old women would be a easy to do.

Don’t mess with Texas!!


40 posted on 12/11/2007 8:25:46 AM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: purpleraine

Several pounds depending on the round, however, that’s NOT what the police said. They said, “we are still inventorying, but he had a backpack CAPABLE of carrying around 1000 rounds”.

1000 rounds of .223 if I remember is about 10 lbs or so, maybe a bit more, but it’s pretty heavy, plus if you have magazines for that weapon... quite a bit more. (I’m going from memory, so someone that has a better idea should be able to give a more accurate number)


41 posted on 12/11/2007 8:40:55 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Iron Munro

Actually... I wouldn’t caller her A real Miss America!!!

I’d call her “A real Never-Miss America!!!”


42 posted on 12/11/2007 8:41:51 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: purpleraine

“I heard on Fox news yesterday that he had a backpack with about 1,000 rounds. How heavy is that?”

Well a box of 20 rounds of 30-06 cannot weigh more than half a pound so I would guess about 25 pounds.


43 posted on 12/11/2007 8:42:19 AM PST by HD1200
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To: libstripper
I, too, watched him on Hannity and Colmes last night and observed a man who was very skilled at using factually accurate statements totally to mislead.

Reminded me of another so-called Christian from Hope, Arkansas.

44 posted on 12/11/2007 8:48:54 AM PST by montag813
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To: Rick.Donaldson

thanx


45 posted on 12/11/2007 9:05:31 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: HD1200
and thanx to you to.

I used to watch my husband lug around boxes of ammo at the range and they seemed very heavy.

46 posted on 12/11/2007 9:06:44 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: HD1200

Fox News is just reporting “suicide”

b.s. What a crock.

Good bet he would have died from the security ladies rounds. What is the likelihood once injured that he could turn around a rifle in a hallway and then shoot himself.

I predict b.s.


47 posted on 12/11/2007 2:12:41 PM PST by George from New England
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