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"Halliburton", gang rape, and fear of arbitration: the Jamie Leigh Jones case
OverLawyered ^ | December 12, 2007 08:51 AM | Ted Frank

Posted on 12/12/2007 11:48:45 AM PST by enough_idiocy

"Halliburton", gang rape, and fear of arbitration: the Jamie Leigh Jones case In February 2006, Jamie Leigh Jones filed an arbitration complaint, complaining that, for her administrative assistant job with KBR in Iraq, she was placed in an all-male dorm for living arrangements, and a co-worker sexually assaulted her. (KBR says the co-worker claimed the sex was consensual, though Jones claims physical injuries, such as burst breast implants and torn pectoral muscles, that are plainly not consistent with consensual sex. The EEOC's Letter of Determination credited the allegation of sexual assault.)

Fifteen months later, after extensive discovery in the arbitration, Jones, who lives in Houston, and whose lawyer is based in Houston, and who worked for KBR in Houston, sued KBR and a bunch of other entities (including Halliburton, for whom she never worked, and the United States), in federal court in Beaumont, Texas. The claims were suddenly of much more outrageous conduct: the original allegation of a single he-said/she-said sexual assault was now an allegation of gang rape by several unknown John Doe rapists who worked as firemen (though she did make a claim of multiple rape to the EEOC, though it is unclear when that claim was made); she claims that after she reported the rape, "Halliburton locked her in a container" (the EEOC found that KBR provided immediate medical treatment and safety and shipped her home immediately) and she threw in an allegation that a "sexual favor" she provided a supervisor in Houston was the result of improper "influence." (But she no longer makes the implausible claim that she was living in an all-male dorm in Iraq.)

The US got the claim dismissed quickly (Jones hasn't yet followed the appropriate administrative claims procedure); the case was transferred back to Houston where it belonged (the trial lawyer's ludicrous brief in opposition didn't help). But the fact that the defendants are pointing out that the lawsuit over a pending arbitration violates 28 U.S.C. § 1927 and are asking for the court to mandate only one single proceeding in arbitration rather than a multiplicity of parallel proceedings, is now being treated as a cause célèbre by the left-wing blogosphere in its campaign against the contractual freedom to arbitrate. (Note that two elements explicitly designed to arouse the ire and inflame the passions of the left—Halliburton and gang-rape—only came about after Jones switched attorneys.)

The Public Citizen blog complains that "the allegations of corporate and governmental misconduct will never see the light of day" in arbitration. Which is absurd:

1) For crying out loud, her case is on 20/20, which, as is its ken, happily unquestioningly gives the plaintiffs' opening statement in handy manipulative video newsertainment form without mentioning any of the counterevidence. That sort of widespread publicity is hardly the lack of "light of day." 2) If the government fails to offer Jones an adequate settlement for their alleged bungling of the criminal investigation, she has recourse under the Federal Tort Claims Act against the federal government—though she likely will not have any more recourse against them than any other criminal victim does when the government fails to protect them against crime or prosecute the criminal. 3) If the court system is about having recourse for injuries, she has that recourse. The judicial system is not for public storytelling; if you want to send a message, use Western Union (or ABC News, as the case may be). 20/20 repeats the meaningless claim that "In recent testimony before Congress, employment lawyer Cathy Ventrell-Monsees said that Halliburton won more than 80 percent of arbitration proceedings brought against it"—meaningless because (1) it doesn't include the cases that settle before arbitration with a favorable result to the employee and (2) there's no comparison with how well such employees would do in the far more expensive forum of litigation (where the vast majority of employees lose at trial as well).

20/20 also adds the claim (absent in the arbitration and in the otherwise-lurid civil complaint) that Jones was threatened that she would be fired if she sought medical treatment.

It goes without saying that any criminal assault should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I haven't seen any support for the contention that there is a loophole that leaves an American contractor's attack on an American outside the scope of criminal prosecution, as some left-wing blogs have claimed. The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000, 18 U.S.C. § 3261 ff., permits prosecutions of criminal acts committed by defense contractors working with troops overseas, and there has been a child porn and an attempted rape prosecution under this law for crimes committed in Iraq. The loophole in the news applies to contractors working overseas with the State Department.

People with legitimate claims usually don't have lawyers trying so desperately to forum-shop that they file amateurish briefs like this, and Jones loses a ton of credibility with me over that. At a minimum, Jones's story has changed over time, and has gotten considerably more lurid. The original allegations are bad enough, and, if true, actionable. If the implant rupture and other physical injuries are true, I'm inclined to believe that she was raped, perhaps even gang raped. (Machismo environments like fraternity houses and athletes' dorms are responsible for a disproportionate number of gang rapes, which is why the Duke Lacrosse allegations had so much weight in the early going.) I'm inclined to believe that there was a hostile work environment, and that it was possible that KBR was not doing enough to correct that problem. I'm not currently inclined to believe that the criminal action was the employer's fault, unless the employee in question had shown signs of criminal behavior while working for KBR. And it is entirely consistent with what I know about government if Jones's allegation that the government botched the criminal investigation is true.

Of course, more facts could come to light that change my mind in either direction. There's already been a lot of discovery, but Jones's papers in court seem to focus on me-too evidence (that should eventually be held to be inadmissible) rather than evidence related to Jones. I'd love to see the pending motions for summary judgment in the arbitration that led Jones to file a second lawsuit.

And one hopes Jones realizes that she's being used by attorneys who are pursuing their own agenda to promote the litigation lobby's pet anti-consumer/pro-lawyer legislation. The shenanigans of bringing a second lawsuit and suing the irrelevant Halliburton are not helping her case if she has a legitimate one.

Here is the EEOC Letter of Determination. Bill Childs provides many other court documents. A typical unskeptical adoption of the Public Citizen line can be found at Jezebel and many other blogs. Some Republican partisans are even more skeptical than I am. A more nuanced discussion is at Amber Taylor's blog and Ben Domenech. (And welcome Malkin readers.)

Update: The is a Jamie Jones Foundation; its chronology omits the arbitration claim Jones filed in 2006. The "take action" page makes clear the ulterior motives of lobbying for a Congressional ban on arbitration clauses—though the arbitration clause has nothing to do with bringing any rapists to justice.

A Congressional investigation into the Justice Department's criminal investigation is now in the works, so we should see some answers about why there were no prosecutions.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gangrape; halliburton; iraq; jamiejones
See also http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/249097.php

By Bob Owens

[IMPORTANT BACKGROUND MATERIAL: Read the text published until Tuesday at http://www.jamiesfoundation.org/jaime.htm — the page was taken down after PJM’s inquiries on the story. It is provided here as reference]

An ABC News report earlier this week alleging a cover-up of the gang-rape of a civilian contractor in Iraq in 2005 has attracted the attention of the chairman of House Judiciary Committee, who is now pressuring the Justice Department to answer specific questions regarding the investigation.

Jamie Leigh Jones, a military wife and former KBR employee, alleges in a pending civil suit that she was drugged, gang-raped, and beaten by fellow KBR contractors at Camp Hope in Baghdad on July 27, 2005, and that the company and the U.S. government are participating in a coverup.

Chairman John Conyers and Rep. Ted Poe cited ABC News blog The Blotter in their request to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey, which began:

A Houston, Texas woman says she was gang-raped by Halliburton/KBR coworkers in Baghdad, and the company and the U.S. government are covering up the incident. Jamie Leigh Jones, now 22, says that after she was raped by multiple men at a KBR camp in the Green Zone, the company put her under guard in a shipping container with a bed and warned her that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she’d be out of a job.

“Don’t plan on working back in Iraq. There won’t be a position here, and there won’t be a position in Houston,” Jones says she was told.

In a lawsuit filed in federal court against Halliburton and its then-subsidiary KBR, Jones says she was held in the shipping container for at least 24 hours without food or water by KBR, which posted armed security guards outside her door, who would not let her leave.

As crucial as it was to initiating a House review of the possible criminal case to be made against Jones’ attackers, The Blotter report is not responsible journalism.

In what the Associated Press described as a preview of allegations to air on “20/20” next month, ABC News may have exaggerated some elements of the story for dramatic effect while downplaying other facts.

The three-page Blotter story left out significant details of Jones et al. v. Halliburton Company et al., including claims of inappropriate sexual conduct by one of Jones’ former KBR supervisors while Jones was still a 19-year-old working for KBR in Houston.

According to the original civil complaint filed on May 16 of this year, KBR supervisor Eric Iler was accused of sexual misconduct involving Ms. Jones in advance of her decision to go to Baghdad:

12. Between 2004 and July 21, 2005, Jamie was employed by Halliburton/KBR as an administrative assistant in Houston, Texas, at that time, her immediate supervisor, Eric Iler, was aware of Jamie’s sick mother at home following a complicated surgical procedure with a difficult post-surgical course, and utilized his influence over her employment to extract sexual favors from Jamie. 13. Eventually, Jamie obtained evidence of the sexual harassment of her supervisor and demanded that he remove her to another department.

14. Once removed from the oversight of Eric Iler, Jamie was transferred to work for Overseas Administrative Services, LTD, in Houston, Texas, beginning July 21, 2005, she was then transferred to an assignment at Camp Hope, Iraq.

For reasons unknown, The Blotter does not find this previous allegation to be worthy of comment in their article, — nor a subsequent attempt on Iler’s part to follow Jones to Iraq and regain his position as her supervisor as described in the court papers — even though this would certainly seem to further allegations that KBR created the “boys will be boys” environment where sexual harassment was “…excused, if not encouraged.”

There is also the issue of a serious discrepancy between The Blotter story, the civil case documents, and Jones’ own account on The Jamie Leigh Foundation’s web site as to what happened to the rape kit collected by U.S. Army medical personnel in the wake of her assault.

According to The Blotter:

Jones told ABCNews.com that an examination by Army doctors showed she had been raped “both vaginally and anally,” but that the rape kit disappeared after it was handed over to KBR security officers.

Absent from the original or amended filing, however, was anything that could be construed as a claim of the rape kit being handed over by U.S. Army medical personnel to “KBR security officers” as alleged in The Blotter report.

A chronological account on the Jamie Leigh Foundation web site actually seems to refute such a claim. If the Foundation account written by Ms. Jones is accurate, the U.S. State Department handled, lost and reclaimed some of the contents of the rape kit without any KBR personnel being involved:

May 3, 2007- I was told by the state department that my rape kit was missing. The state department had previously ensured both of my parents that the rape kit had made it back to Washington before I even arrived back to the US. I had my mom call the state department to refresh their memories. May 4, 2007- The rape kit was found, however the pictures of the bruises and the doctor’s notes from that day were still (and are currently) missing.

May 7, 2007- I was told to sign a release form so that the state department agent assigned to my case could try and recover the lost pictures and doctor’s notes, by giving the signed medical release form to the hospital that I went to in Baghdad and to the doctor that performed the rape kit.

The page on the Foundation that held Jones’ chronology of events—— http://www.jamiesfoundation.org/jaime.htm - has been pulled down since Tuesday.

This happened after Pajamas Media asked Jones’ lawyer Todd Kelly about several claims made on that page Tuesday morning. It is yet unknown whether or not the questions asked about Ms. Jones claims had anything to do with the removal of this page from the Foundation’s web site, or its removal from the site’s navigation. Emails to Mr. Kelly and the site’s webmaster have not been returned. A reference copy of the chronology as it was originally published is provided by Pajamas Media here.

A third claim made in The Blotter is that in the wake of the alleged rape, Jones was, “…held in the shipping container for at least 24 hours without food or water by KBR…”

Shipping containers typically found in Iraq (and elsewhere) are either 20’ or 40’ steel and aluminum boxes with little to no ventilation. On the days Jones was confined by KBR (July 29-30, 2005), the mean average temperature was 100-degrees, with air temperatures over 110 degrees for 6 hours straight both afternoons. It seems implausible that a person would survive such conditions without adequate food and water.

Once again, the allegations made in the civil suit tell a somewhat different story:

a. Immediately following her physical examination, she was placed in a trailer with a bed, a shower, and a sink, but without a television, and was refused phone calls to her family despite repeated requests, which amounted to a false imprisonment; There are significant variances between the versions of events—and even the mention of key events—told in The Blotter, the civil court documents of Jones et al. v. Halliburton Company et al., and the now-deleted chronological events page known as “Jamie’s Journal.”

Let us hope that the Department of Justice investigation is more thorough.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/12/halliburtonrape_262.php http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/12/the_jamiehtm_file.php

1 posted on 12/12/2007 11:48:49 AM PST by enough_idiocy
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To: enough_idiocy

2 posted on 12/12/2007 11:51:04 AM PST by redrunner (A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth. -- Aesop)
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To: enough_idiocy

Hillary is calling for a full scale investigation into these allegations... maybe there is hope for Juanita yet...if only Hillary would get behind her as well..


3 posted on 12/12/2007 11:51:28 AM PST by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: redrunner

4 posted on 12/12/2007 11:53:51 AM PST by redrunner (A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth. -- Aesop)
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To: JoanneSD
"I'm starting a full Congressional Investigation on this but I want to see ALL the evidence she has to offer......

"

5 posted on 12/12/2007 11:56:21 AM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08 OR Hunter/Thompson '08)
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To: enough_idiocy
The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000, 18 U.S.C. § 3261 ff., permits prosecutions of criminal acts committed by defense contractors working with troops overseas, and there has been a child porn and an attempted rape prosecution under this law for crimes committed in Iraq. The loophole in the news applies to contractors working overseas with the State Department.

That settles the question of whether or not contractors are subject to the rule of law overseas. Sounds like the Army needs to testify about what happened to the rape kit. Good post.
6 posted on 12/12/2007 11:57:38 AM PST by Deathmonger
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To: enough_idiocy
burst breast implants

Oh, sorry! Thank you for playing "Lawsuit Jackpot". Don Pardo, who's our next contestant?

Apparently she didn't see the Mythbusters episode where they demonstrated that breast implants are virtually indestructible. Can't be run over, can't be exploded via low pressure, etc.

7 posted on 12/12/2007 11:59:48 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Allegra; ExSoldier

A lot of interesting discrepancies detailed here.


8 posted on 12/12/2007 11:59:58 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: JoanneSD

>maybe there is hope for Juanita yet...if only Hillary would get behind her as well..

Oh, dude. I was eating.


9 posted on 12/12/2007 12:02:33 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: traditional1

UGH! How long has that corpse been dead??


10 posted on 12/12/2007 12:05:06 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Deathmonger

UCMJ does not treat rape kindly.

What bothers me about this is that there should be documentation of her rescue...it either happend or not. It just seems way over the top.


11 posted on 12/12/2007 12:05:25 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Deathmonger

UCMJ does not treat rape kindly.

What bothers me about this is that there should be documentation of her rescue...it either happend or not. It just seems way over the top.


12 posted on 12/12/2007 12:05:26 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: enough_idiocy

Something just isn’t right with this story. Some of the bits, like being locked in a container, I just don’t believe. And a rape kit wouldn’t be given over to KBR people... it would be kept by the doctors until given to investigators. Was there a kit done at all? Apparently the all-male dorm part wasn’t true, either.

Seems to be some embellishment going on. Oh... and she’s sold the film rights to her story already. Well isn’t that interesting.


13 posted on 12/12/2007 12:06:10 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: jiggyboy

What is your point?
Do you think she lied about this and the rest?
Why?


14 posted on 12/12/2007 12:10:20 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: All

Sounds like a KBR/Halliburton fluff piece

Never mentioned that KBR basically admitted they “locked her up” after she was raped...locked her in a conatiner “So she could calm down” (according to KBR)

Since Halliburton still owned KBR at the time, I believe, Halliburton will be part of the suit. If she was hired by Halliburton while they owned KBR, they would still be liable

Losing the rape-kit evidence is going to also sink KBR/Halliburton on this one. No reasonable explanation for that one

Rape lawsuits are so much easier to prove in civil court than in criminal court...mainly because the victim/plaintiff can bring in past misconduct of the perp....something that is hard to do in a criminal court.

Also, in case you all want to make this a left/right issue....Congressman Ted Poe (R, TX) is involved in this one...and was the Congressman who got the State Dept to pressure KBG/HB to release her from confinement


15 posted on 12/12/2007 12:11:58 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Mike Huckabee values illegals, criminals, and terrorists...Thanks "Values Voters")
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To: jiggyboy

Actually, one of my wife’s implants burst while she was showering. No blunt force trauma or anything. It just... burst. Her body absorbed the saline without discomfort and the whole thing was just an unpleasant surprise.


16 posted on 12/12/2007 12:12:06 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: traditional1

Don’t look directly into the nostrils...don’t look directly into the nostrils...awww dammit I looked.


17 posted on 12/12/2007 12:13:45 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Dead Dog

“UCMJ does not treat rape kindly.”


The UCMJ doesnt apply here. In the legislation authorizing our going into Iraq....there were amendments installed that prohibited contractors and their employees from being under the UCMJ


18 posted on 12/12/2007 12:15:36 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Mike Huckabee values illegals, criminals, and terrorists...Thanks "Values Voters")
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
I lived in one of those “containers” in Camp Hope over two deployments. These are pretty comfortable arrangements -

Let’s see......shower(tons of hot water), commode, sink/mirror, Excellent AC/heat window unit, single bed, mattress, sheets, blanket, good lighting. TV if you buy one.
There are two MWR’s very close with computers & phones.
I contracted an ear infection last winter and was ordered to stay in my hooch for 24 hrs. & rest. My coworkers brought meals from the nearby DFAC.

I cannot believe anyone physically prevented any contact with the outside world - the place is a sieve electronically.

As for the barracks....they have always been occupied by both sexes. Of course they do NOT mix male/females - how stupid to even think that - only married couples share a living container/room. These same barracks have segregated bathrooms either by opposite ends of the building or by being on another floor.

Whether or not she was assaulted will need to be sorted out - I personally never heard of the incident at the time.
If she was hurt, the offending person(s) should be shot.
We witnessed many insane decisions by upper management which defied logic, but due to the sheer number of expats present it would be difficult to keep this buried for long.

19 posted on 12/12/2007 12:48:34 PM PST by LFOD (IRAQ - Back in Dixie)
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To: ozzymandus

Just picture that face and you visualize a typical DUer/Democrat voter.....


20 posted on 12/12/2007 12:49:53 PM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08 OR Hunter/Thompson '08)
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To: bolobaby
With the burst implant, did the breast deflate over time, as the saline was absorbed into the body overall, and was there a time factor regarding the removal of the (now empty) bag?.

For some reason I find the topic fascinating, in that I'd think there would be health issues.

21 posted on 12/12/2007 1:08:55 PM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: enough_idiocy

Apparently, ABC didn’t learn a damn thing about fake but accurate reporting from the Rathergate scandal with 60 Minutes. If this is exposed as the trumped-up media fantasy it appears to be, they’re done.


22 posted on 12/12/2007 1:22:17 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: redrunner

The Jury can reach neither a ‘guilty’ nor a ‘not guilty’ verdict on this woman’s face. I am going to have to ask for more pictures to make a determination.


23 posted on 12/12/2007 1:24:25 PM PST by steel_resolve (If you can't stand behind our troops, then please stand in front...)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Health problems from Saline? They put Saline into IV tubes at the hospital. What health issues would come about?


24 posted on 12/12/2007 1:28:43 PM PST by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: snowrip
Apparently, ABC didn’t learn a damn thing about fake but accurate reporting from the Rathergate scandal with 60 Minutes. If this is exposed as the trumped-up media fantasy it appears to be, they’re done.

It doesn't appear to be. With the Congressional help required to dispatch the State Department to rescue this woman, there is going to be an enormous amount of documentation. If this rescue didn't occur, the State Department would have stated so. Instead the State Department has clammed up because they know they should not have given the rape kit away (which will also be documented).

It is a pity the US military wasn't sent in to rescue her instead. I have no doubt that this would have been thoroughly investigated in that case.

25 posted on 12/12/2007 1:30:55 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: enough_idiocy

Another blond useful idiot of the left I’m afraid.


26 posted on 12/12/2007 1:31:56 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: vpintheak
Another blond useful idiot of the left I’m afraid.

You just called a military wife a useful idiot. Her Republican Congressman is the one who sent the State Department to rescue her. Have you no shame?

I am totally disgusted with this comment. I fully expect an immediate apology. And I hope you learn to hold your tongue in the future.

27 posted on 12/12/2007 1:36:21 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: burzum

So now a military wife is in a protected class? All republocants are somehow keepers of the shield of conservativism and all that is true and right? Give me a break. Everything I have read about these claims is BS. It smells like a perverted version of the Duke rape travesty. And NO I will not apologize, who am I supposed to apologize to? If, only IF, over time when this all play’s out it is proven my opinion was wrong I will then apologize, until then, hold your breath.


28 posted on 12/12/2007 1:47:33 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

It “deflated” almost immediately. The saline was absorbed very quickly. There was no discomfort or health issue except for the cosmetic problem of having one “flat tire.”

She got replacements a few weeks later.


29 posted on 12/12/2007 1:56:53 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: Ramius

“Oh... and she’s sold the film rights to her story already. Well isn’t that interesting.”

According to a guest on Glenn Beck’s broadcast today, a senator from Texas, she tried quietly and discreetly to get someone in authority to go to bat for her, to no avail. And it was at THAT point that she went public, including selling her story.

I’m the biggest male chauvinist pig you ever met......in a good way; but it bothers me greatly to read between the lines of many of the comments on this story and to detect a strong leaning toward BLAMING THE VICTIM via snotty little remarks here and there, including yours. At least, that’s how you came across.


30 posted on 12/12/2007 1:57:22 PM PST by Tucker39 (Just because I'm paranoid is no sign they're not really out to get me!)
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To: vpintheak

First, most people have the common decency not to assume that a potential rape victim is lying (they wait for the evidence to play out). This rape may or may not have occurred, but any holes in this story are cosmetic at best. There HAS NOT been a federal prosecutor investigating this case. A civil lawsuit and an upcoming Congressional investigation were required to even hear about this story. This is nothing like the Duke rape story. The Duke rape story at least had an investigation (which was bungled).

Second, yes, military wives deserve our respect. If I made a crass comment about a military wife like that when I was in the Navy I would have been punched in the face—and for good reason. Those who question the integrity of a military wife had better have very good evidence.

Third, you should apologize because you called her a useful idiot without justification. That apology should be to everyone who happened to read your vile statement.


31 posted on 12/12/2007 1:58:31 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: Ransomed
Don’t look directly into the nostrils...don’t look directly into the nostrils...awww dammit I looked.

You didn't happen to see Jimmy Hoffa did you?

32 posted on 12/12/2007 2:01:46 PM PST by murdoog
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To: jiggyboy

“Apparently she didn’t see the Mythbusters episode where they demonstrated that breast implants are virtually indestructible. Can’t be run over, can’t be exploded via low pressure, etc.”

In fairness, her website states that the implants had been dislodged due to a torn pectorial. I dont think she said they ruptured. The slick “foundation”, the website, movie deal, marketing director and the “glam shots” make me suspicious of her story.


33 posted on 12/12/2007 2:02:36 PM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: Hacklehead
In fairness, her website states that the implants had been dislodged due to a torn pectorial. I dont think she said they ruptured. The slick “foundation”, the website, movie deal, marketing director and the “glam shots” make me suspicious of her story.

Me too. Whether she is telling the truth or not, she needs to fire whoever designed that website.

34 posted on 12/12/2007 2:05:49 PM PST by murdoog
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To: bill1952

That was funny! XD


35 posted on 12/12/2007 2:10:02 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Hunter is ignored by the MSM for a reason.)
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To: bolobaby

Ah well then the Mythbusters guys must have been using silicone implants instead of saline.


36 posted on 12/12/2007 2:20:04 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Tucker39
it bothers me greatly to read between the lines of many of the comments on this story and to detect a strong leaning toward BLAMING THE VICTIM via snotty little remarks here and there, including yours. At least, that’s how you came across.

Fair enough. It bothers me that I came across that way. If you've seen any of my posts on similar stories over the years, I think I can show a strong record of always coming down on the side of the victim-- and blasting those who even hint at blaming the victim for any part of their situation.

I tend to fight against that kind of cynicism. It really ticks me off when I see it around here.

But I'll admit that my cynical side jumped up right away in this case, and I'm not sure why. There's just something not quite snapping into focus here. Something isn't right about the story. My spidey-sense is usually pretty trustworthy in this regard, so I listen to it.

If she truly was assaulted in any way then she deserves every benefit of the doubt, any of my comments notwithstanding. I'm the first one to step up to defend people when I think they're getting a raw deal.

But like the phony-soldier media set-ups... Halliburton and KBR are ripe for somebody fishing for publicity and deep pockets. I've read several different accounts of this woman's story and dang it if every single one of them wasn't completely different-- on some truly material points. My initial knee-jerk to defend HER didn't stand, after a few more stories and now this article with some even more different angles... well, something just ain't right. IMHO.

37 posted on 12/12/2007 3:08:15 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/chris_jones/2007/dec/10/texas_woman_gang_rape_cover_up_by_u_s_halliburton_kbr

There is more information here. Her story definately has some credibility. The State Department did rescue her from the container.


38 posted on 12/12/2007 7:59:19 PM PST by ga medic
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To: burzum; vpintheak
You just called a military wife a useful idiot. Her Republican Congressman is the one who sent the State Department to rescue her. Have you no shame?

I am totally disgusted with this comment. I fully expect an immediate apology. And I hope you learn to hold your tongue in the future.


I’ve met some military wives who were slightly to the left of Cynthia Mckinney and also tried to wear their husbands’ authority.

Most military spouses are fine hardworking women but their status doesn’t place them above reproach.

I’m not going to assume guilt or innocence without more evidence. Remember the Duke case? How about the TANG memos that “proved” President Bush shirked his duty?

If accusation is valid, hang them. If she’s lying, hang her.

39 posted on 12/12/2007 8:07:46 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Tucker39
According to a guest on Glenn Beck’s broadcast today, a senator from Texas, ...

Here is part of the transcript of US Representative Ted Poe on Glenn Beck's show.

REPRESENTATIVE POE: Well, as soon as I got the call from her father who was, you know, tremendously excited and worried, we contacted officials at the State Department and within 48 hours they had two agents there in Baghdad and found her, rescued her. And she needed much more medical attention, and she received that and finally was brought back to the United States very shortly thereafter.

Then things seemed to have just fallen off the radar. We've tried to find out what has happened to the perpetrators, these criminals. Who are they, where are they and what has been done, and really haven't gotten satisfactory answers.

REPRESENTATIVE POE: Well, a lady in that situation who's brutalized and, you know, thousands of miles from home and has nobody and alone, we can't really second-guess what she does as a sexual assault victim. She did what she thought was best. And we didn't get any results from our government and so she's made the choice to go public, which is a difficult situation for any sexual assault victim to do, and whether this happened or not, well, the proof is in the medical. The medical reports are -- without question show that she was brutalized over there in Iraq and now people need to be brought to court and held accountable and let's air it publicly now and find out who was there, who was responsible and why nothing happened until recently.

REPRESENTATIVE POE: No. As a former judge and prosecutor, there is federal law that applies to this case and here's the reason. The jurisdiction of where this happened in the green zone, in Camp Hope in Baghdad is under the jurisdiction of the State Department and since it's under the jurisdiction of the State Department, federal law does apply and people can be prosecuted for crimes against American citizens.


40 posted on 12/12/2007 9:17:48 PM PST by esarlls3
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To: esarlls3
More details in this transcript of Houston KSEV 700-AM Talk Show Host Pat Gray discussing the case with Glenn Beck.
GRAY: The KBR situation is unbelievable. There's a young woman from Houston who went with -- this was when Halliburton and KBR were part of the same company. They've divested themselves of each other since. But she went as a contractor to Iraq and the first or second day, I mean, it was right after she got into the green zone, she was brutally raped. First of all, she was drugged.

GLENN: Yeah, she was drugged. And when she woke up, she had bruises all over her, she had been --

GRAY: She was bleeding.

GLENN: Yes, she was vaginally and anally raped and apparently by several men for an extended period of time.

GRAY: Yeah. So she actually, she went to the doctor and got a rape kit done and right after coming out of that, they apprehended her and put her in a shipping container with a bed and had 24-hour watch on her and would not let her leave, would not let her make a phone call back to the States. So finally one of the guys that was guarding her, one of the employees loaned her his cell phone and she called her dad back home in Houston and, you know, she said, Dad, I've been raped; I don't know what to do; I'm in a container, they are holding me here, I'm not able to leave, I'm a prisoner. He immediately, of course, went nuts as any dad would and contacted his congressman who happens to be Ted Poe.

GLENN: Yeah, the only thing that concerns me, and I'm -- you know, I don't want to judge her because it seems like everybody involved backs her up. But the only thing that concerns me is she did sell the rights to her story to a movie company.

GRAY: She did. She sold the screenplay, but that wasn't until I think September of this year, August or September or something. And so she had waited. I mean, what we thought, I knew the story happened a long time ago because Halliburton and KBR haven't been together. They divested. They divested a while ago. It's been six, eight months. So I knew it was quite a while ago. So I asked Ted Poe about it and he said, oh, yeah, this happened two and a half years ago. And we were shocked that in two and a half years, there's been no arrest, there's been no investigation apparently.

GLENN: She said, I woke the next morning in the barracks and I found my naked body battered and bruised. I was still groggy from whatever had been put in my drink. I was bleeding from my legs and my breasts were severely disfigured. I found out later my attackers tore my pectoral muscles due to the brutality of the attack. One of the men who raped me was brazen enough to be lying at the bottom of the bunk of my assigned bunk bed. After getting to the clinic and having a rape kit performed and pictures taken of my bruising, I was locked in a container with no food, no way to call my parents and I was placed under armed guard by Halliburton. I didn't have access to soap, toiletries, a toothbrush or any of my belongings. I was unable to leave, therefore I was imprisoned. After some time one of the guards allowed me to use his cell phone out of sympathy. I called my father back in Houston who quickly contacted Congressman Ted Poe who then initiated a congressional inquiry out of Baghdad. At this point I was still in a state of shock, severely traumatized and I was scared more my life. They said to her, "You'll never work again, you'll never come back to Baghdad, you'll never come back to work for Halliburton." Are you kidding me, you'll never come back to work for Halliburton? Wait a minute. Your employees that did this to me, I don't think I want to work for Halliburton. What kind of threat is that? That one kind of stuck out to me.


41 posted on 12/12/2007 9:45:15 PM PST by esarlls3
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To: Grizzled Bear

I have met and known many military wives that I wouldn’t touch. I knew some that were out in the bars hooking up the first night their husbands were gone. Most were like my wife, good decent people. I may have jumped the gun on my condemnation, but this whole story just smells rotten.


42 posted on 12/12/2007 10:22:46 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: enough_idiocy
Get 'em.

Get 'em all, including all the obstructors.

43 posted on 12/12/2007 10:25:58 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: vpintheak

I may have jumped the gun on my condemnation, but this whole story just smells rotten.


Agreed. There’s something “not right” about it.


44 posted on 12/13/2007 5:04:45 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: enough_idiocy

Ping to read later


45 posted on 12/15/2007 8:36:37 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: enough_idiocy

Was there any additional information about this? Whatever happened? Some DU-er I am “chatting” with on another site brought up this case claiming that all Halliburton employees are gang-raped or something...


46 posted on 10/22/2009 9:43:12 PM PDT by wayne_shrugged
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To: wayne_shrugged
Some DU-er I am “chatting” with on another site brought up this case claiming that all Halliburton employees are gang-raped or something...

And this made sense to you...???

47 posted on 10/22/2009 9:53:01 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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