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Reducing the risk of copycat killers
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 15 dec 07 | Dave Kopel

Posted on 12/15/2007 7:46:34 AM PST by rellimpank

The way the media cover an event influences whether there will be repetitions. For example, if a fan runs onto the field during a baseball game, the broadcast cameras usually avoid showing pictures of the fan. The TV producers know that the fan on the field is seeking attention, and that, presumably, getting his picture on television will reward him. Moreover, broadcasting the man's antics would encourage copycats.

Killing time at a baseball game is a tiny misdeed, compared to killing people, but many media decisions have the effect of encouraging copycat murders.

Last April, The Denver Post published on its front page five "glamour shots" that the Virginia Tech murderer had taken of himself, and sent to NBC. On Wednesday, the Post ran a front-page picture of the young man who killed two at a youth missionary center in Arvada and two others at a church in Colorado Springs, along with very large-type excerpts from the killer's rantings. In the first sentence, the killer compared himself to the Virginia Tech killer.

(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; denverpost; media; nbcnews; newlifechurch; virginiatech
--this should be tattooed on the eyeballs of some print and TV executives--
1 posted on 12/15/2007 7:46:36 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
... if a fan runs onto the field during a baseball game, the broadcast cameras usually avoid showing pictures of the fan. The TV producers know that the fan on the field is seeking attention, and that, presumably, getting his picture on television will reward him. Moreover, broadcasting the man's antics would encourage copycats. Killing time at a baseball game is a tiny misdeed, compared to killing people, but many media decisions have the effect of encouraging copycat murders.

Sick, but true.

2 posted on 12/15/2007 7:49:41 AM PST by GOPJ (Dems! Would you trust a pilot's wife to land a plane just because she's a frequent flyer??)
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To: GOPJ

The media will be responsible and refrain from granting these heinous murderers the attention they crave. /sarc>


3 posted on 12/15/2007 7:53:53 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: rellimpank
I do not like guns.

However, I an considering a concealed carry permit and buying a pistol so that, should I have the misfortune to come accross such a scene, I could end it like the lady in Colorado.

4 posted on 12/15/2007 7:55:49 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Good luck with that. There are plenty of gun owners and shooters here at FR who can advise you on your first handgun...


5 posted on 12/15/2007 8:00:31 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: rellimpank
If I were in charge of the media, I would institute the same rule for hiding the name of mass killers as is commonly used to shield the name of rape victims. I would replace the name of murderer with "another friggin' murdering bastard" and instead of showing the guy's photo, I would show the same generic photo of some ugly baboon. Thus my articles would ALWAYS read like the following:

In Omaha today, another friggin' murdering bastard opened fire in a shopping mall

6 posted on 12/15/2007 8:05:55 AM PST by PackerBronco
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To: The_Media_never_lie

You don’t have to like guns to own one for protection. Just make sure you get some good training and instruction on how to handle one.


7 posted on 12/15/2007 8:09:13 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Hi. I’m a gunsmith/gunstore owner and would be glad to privately advise you with any questions. Arming yourself is a big responsibility and one that should be undertaken with a maximum of understanding of all facets of the issue, i.e. legal, tactical, equipage, etc.

Good luck in your quest.


8 posted on 12/15/2007 8:11:30 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

If you do decide to purchase a firearm and get licensed for that reason, may I suggest very strongly two things: go to a pistol range and practice, practice, practice your marksmanship, and mentally prepare yourself to do the thing which you are contemplating. If you are not mentally prepared, you will either hesitate or freeze and accomplish exactly nothing.
Also, be aware, that even if you do purchase a firearm and get your CCW permit, the odds are you will never, ever need it. You have a better chance of being killed in an auto accident than being involved in such a shooting. You should also be aware that the mall shooting, as do most such shootings, occurred in a “gun-free zone”. As a responsible CCW permit holder, you would not be armed in that building anyway.


9 posted on 12/15/2007 8:14:32 AM PST by Ogrrre ("A Communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-Communist is someone who understands Marx." Reagan)
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To: PackerBronco

i would only add the word “moron” to that ... murdering moron bastard...

and then take all his worldly possessions away and give to the victims fund... even his family’s...

teeman


10 posted on 12/15/2007 8:27:34 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: Ogrrre
If you are not mentally prepared, you will either hesitate or freeze and accomplish exactly nothing.

Words to take to the bank. If you wait to figure out what to do in an emergency, it's too late. I know, I've been in a few emergencies, not with guns, but other dangerous situations such as small boats in storms.

The rule certainly applies to driving. What should you do if a small animal runs out in front of your car? What should you do if the guy coming toward you on a two-lane road goes into a trance and starts drifting over into your lane?

One of my sons totaled a truck last summer and almost got himself killed, because a hedgehog strolled out in front of him. He automatically steered around it, and as a result ran off a dirt road into a ditch and a tree. So, which is more important, the life of a man or the life of a hedgehog? And what if you can't afford a new truck and you need it for your work? Better to consider such questions before they occur.

11 posted on 12/15/2007 8:28:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rellimpank

This is common sense, but the brain dead MSM will deny, deny, deny because it makes them more involved in promoting the mass shootings than all the gun manufacturers in the world.


12 posted on 12/15/2007 8:54:25 AM PST by marktwain
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To: rellimpank

The MSM promotes their profit line at the expense of the victims of mass murderers.

You don’t see any gun manufacturers using these mass murderers as their poster boys.


13 posted on 12/15/2007 8:55:53 AM PST by marktwain
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I do not like guns.

I understand that there are negative feelings toward guns, but really they are innocuous when following the basic rules of safe gun handling. Don't let the media's portrayals or criminals' use of guns cause you to fear.

Good luck on your pursuit of a concealed carry permit.

14 posted on 12/15/2007 8:59:08 AM PST by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I do not like guns.

They are no more dangerous than this:
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. . . or this:

15 posted on 12/15/2007 9:04:32 AM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Ogrrre
...may I suggest very strongly two things: go to a pistol range and practice, practice, practice..."

You left out a step.

16 posted on 12/15/2007 9:08:01 AM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: rellimpank

This all presumes that the media DOESN’T want more mass murders they can use to sell soap, along with their anti-gun leftist agenda.

Honestly, I believe that a federal prohibition on revealing such information would NOT violate the first amendment (for public safety reasons.) I may be wrong, but some enterprising Congressman seeking to get some national attention could introduce such a bill, and start the dialogue (”voluntary” media standards might result.)


17 posted on 12/15/2007 9:08:35 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: Ogrrre

“go to a pistol range and practice, practice, practice your marksmanship, “

One of my pieces of advice for new shooters that are a little nervous, is that after the basic training, shoot a couple of hundred rounds, shoot until you are sick of shooting, shoot until your hand is sore and the pistol is totally demystified for you, and then get someone to show you how to do a thorough cleaning of it.

Make that pistol yours, load it, unload it, draw it, clean it, strip it of any emotional baggage, see it for your warm, good friend that it is.


18 posted on 12/15/2007 9:45:25 AM PST by ansel12 (“Sanctuary Mansion? The savings help me to become leader of the anti-illegal worker war. Romney 08)
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To: Ogrrre
As a responsible CCW permit holder, you would not be armed in that building anyway.

Actually, you probably wouldn't even be IN most of those buildings.

If a property owner wants to put up signs saying "TRAINED, LAW-ABIDING CONCEALED-CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS NOT WELCOME HERE," then screw 'em. They're not worthy of your business anyway.

And they can deal later on with the massive civil liability lawsuits when some maniac takes 'em up on the welcome mat, and comes in their cute little "gun-free" zone and murders and maims their customers.

19 posted on 12/15/2007 9:47:50 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Beelzebubba; rellimpank

Without pictures how is the media expected to get gun control to beccome a primary MUST DO issue?


20 posted on 12/15/2007 9:54:07 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: PackerBronco

Uh, wrong end of the baboon......


21 posted on 12/15/2007 10:30:07 AM PST by ASOC
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To: The_Media_never_lie; Froufrou
I do not like guns.

If you do what you say you are considering below, and you practice as you must, then you will. Hardly anyone doesn't like guns after they shoot awhile. Except maybe Frou Frou. But she's coming around too. I know she'll make it. :)

However, I an considering a concealed carry permit and buying a pistol so that, should I have the misfortune to come accross such a scene, I could end it like the lady in Colorado.

22 posted on 12/15/2007 1:45:52 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: PackerBronco
I would show the same generic photo of some ugly baboon.

That's not an ugly baboon, this is an ugly baboon, and a horn dog.


23 posted on 12/15/2007 1:58:09 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

I posted on this very point over at NewsBusters. The first such shooting in a “gun-free zone” could possibly have been a “gimme”. But, once the owners of such gun-free zones saw what can happen, they should have taken those signs down. I hope that the survivors of such shootings start filing law suits, perhaps even class-action suits against shopping malls, banks, universities, schools, and such places that have taken away the right of self-defense from the people. If they post such a sign, they have assumed the duty to defend the people inside. If they are negligent in that duty, then they should be sued into bankruptcy. All those signs do is proclaim “Victims Here!”


24 posted on 12/15/2007 1:58:17 PM PST by Ogrrre ("A Communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-Communist is someone who understands Marx." Reagan)
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To: Cobra64

I left out a step? Ummmm....practice some more?


25 posted on 12/15/2007 1:58:19 PM PST by Ogrrre ("A Communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-Communist is someone who understands Marx." Reagan)
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To: Beelzebubba
Honestly, I believe that a federal prohibition on revealing such information would NOT violate the first amendment (for public safety reasons.)

If the prohibition was on publishing, they it would violate the first amendment. But in spite of what the press might say, there is no right to "know" such information, so if the police and others don't reveal it, it will be less likely to be blared out of every media orifice. The same is true of the tapes of the scum "in action", audio tapes of the event and so forth. Probably it will still get out, eventually. But by that time it won't be worth the wall to wall coverage that these things tend to get now.

26 posted on 12/15/2007 2:04:17 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: rellimpank

In one of the Second Foundation books, the emperor decries exactly this. The names and faces of troublemakers are forever stricken from the public record. They are assigned a number.

It’s fiction of course, but the premise is accurate. Copycats were sowing chaos to get famous. They simply disappeared forever. It’s a great idea.


27 posted on 12/15/2007 2:13:47 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Ogrrre
I left out a step? Ummmm....practice some more?

Training. I'd take a 2-3 day beginners gun handling fundamentals class first.

Then a lot of practice.

I've seen guys who've been shooting for years, just practicing bad habits. They've burned up thousands of rounds of ammo, are unsafe, and still lousy shots.

One excellent instructor and IPSC marksman who conducts terrific classes is Bruce Gray.

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http://www.grayguns.com/docs/about.htm

28 posted on 12/15/2007 2:19:44 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I doubt your good intentions will work. I don’t know of anyone who disliked guns who put in the practice and money to become proficient enough to handle themselves with firearms.

There was one person in particular that had no success in hitting a target no matter how much time was spent. It was only later, the person started playing with a supressed .22 pistol that the person started really enjoying shooting. The person’s results improved from that moment.


29 posted on 12/15/2007 2:55:11 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Ogrrre
If they post such a sign, they have assumed the duty to defend the people inside. If they are negligent in that duty, then they should be sued into bankruptcy. All those signs do is proclaim “Victims Here!”

I just thought that bore repeating.

30 posted on 12/15/2007 4:28:10 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: rellimpank; abb; Milhous; conservatism_IS_compassion; bert

“It used to be that the local radio and TV stations were owned by the mom-and-pop organizations; these private family-owned media companies usually were from the community. So they had a vested interest in the community, their kids went to the schools, they went to the churches, they were very concerned about the community. That’s not the case any more.

Most of these stations are owned by huge conglomerates, these media companies such as Infinity or Clear Channel. Basically, they own everything. They’re not looking at it as an individual community, they’re looking at it as part of their bigger picture, what the bottom line is.

There’s a lot of pressure on local managers—whether it be the news director or general manager of a TV station, or the program director of a radio station—to really meet those bottom-line requests. Often, what they’re forced to do is to do much more with much less. And that’s why you see so much of the lowest common denominator, so much crime, so much quick and easy coverage.

Crime is extremely cheap and extremely easy to cover, especially in a big city like Detroit or in New York or in Chicago, where all you have to do is look out your window and you can find a fire or a murder or a shooting, and it doesn’t take a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter to cover any of that stuff. They simply show up with a camera, put the mast up on the live truck, they shoot the video, they shoot the cop cars, they talk to the victims, they get the screaming parents and stick the microphone in their faces—it’s not that difficult to cover, and there’s a plethora of that stuff out there.

And you can milk it all day long. You can do teases, you can do live shots, you can do tape stories. They’re doing as much as they can with the little they have, because there’s so much pressure now on TV and radio stations to meet that bottom line.

There was a survey that came out about two years ago that was done by a national consulting firm, that showed that local TV stations, in terms of news, were hemorrhaging viewers. They are just losing viewers left and right. Most of the people just don’t find anything that means anything to them on local news, because they’re not really covering the community.

Yes, there should be a certain amount of crime coverage, when stories are very serious, and you want to know what’s going on in your community, but you don’t need to cover every car accident and every fire and every shooting. People get tired of that because it doesn’t pertain to them.

So they want to see more coverage on school issues, on tax issues, on faith issues, on medical issues, but they’re not getting it from the local news. So they’ll go to a network news source, or they’ll go to the Internet, or they’ll read the paper. But local news [on TV] has just died in the last few years in terms of losing viewers and ratings.


http://www.moralityinmedia.org/index.htm?mediaIssues/vilewwf.htm

Teresa Tomeo: ‘Turn off your TV and tell the media why’ (interview excerpt) — published on MoralityInMedia.org website long ago...



31 posted on 12/15/2007 8:25:09 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Ogrrre; Luke Skyfreeper
hope that the survivors of such shootings start filing law suits, perhaps even class-action suits against shopping malls, banks, universities, schools, and such places that have taken away the right of self-defense from the people. If they post such a sign, they have assumed the duty to defend the people inside. If they are negligent in that duty, then they should be sued into bankruptcy. All those signs do is proclaim “Victims Here!”

That doesn't follow.

The mall is private property, and they have every right to make it a gun-free zone. I'm sure that if FReepers own stores, they wouldn't want the government coming in and telling them they had to paint their shelves pink, or play the Adhan, or allow foul language, etc.

Similarly, potential customers have every right to avoid the mall, and if they choose to enter, the Gun-Free Zone signs clearly let them know they are entering a place that isn't safe.

32 posted on 12/16/2007 7:08:06 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Property owners also have every right to polish their floors to a glossy shine and coat them with silicone lubricant. But I guarantee if they do, and a customer slips and cracks his head open, they’re going to be sued for all they’re worth. As they should be.


33 posted on 12/16/2007 7:35:07 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Gondring

(And incidentally, there’s a hell of a difference between painting the shelves pink and creating an environment that attracts people like Matthew Murray.)


34 posted on 12/16/2007 7:37:50 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

...and the same if they don’t polish the floors thus?


35 posted on 12/16/2007 9:12:07 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

If they don’t take an action that creates a dangerous environment for their customers, then they have no liability.

It is now known, and can be convincingly argued and demonstrated, that posting “no guns” signs creates a dangerous environment.


36 posted on 12/16/2007 11:19:51 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Gondring

Yes, they do have the right to make it a gun free zone if they wish. But, when they do make it a gun free zone, knowing that criminals will not obey their little sign, they also take upon themselves the responsibility to protect their customers from such predators. If they fail in their assumed obligation, then they are liable for the results.
Every right has an accompanying responsibility.


37 posted on 12/16/2007 4:15:21 PM PST by Ogrrre ("A Communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-Communist is someone who understands Marx." Reagan)
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To: El Gato; The_Media_never_lie

I came of age in the late 60s and early 70s. At that time, it was all peace, love,___, drugs and rock ‘n roll.

When the air [and your head] clears, you realize that such an ambitious utopia is not a reality.

Unless you are Hillary Clinton.


38 posted on 12/17/2007 7:25:56 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Luke Skyfreeper; Ogrrre
It is now known, and can be convincingly argued and demonstrated, that posting “no guns” signs creates a dangerous environment.

If it's so known and clear, then anyone going into the mall has been given warning of the conditions.

39 posted on 12/17/2007 3:53:33 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Nice point, but I think a jury will disagree.


40 posted on 12/17/2007 8:30:51 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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