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Creationism argument ended in death
The Australian ^ | 12 14 07 | not available

Posted on 12/15/2007 8:15:26 AM PST by Sherman Logan

A FRUIT picking trip to NSW ended in the death of a Scottish backpacker over a row about creationism and evolution. English backpacker Alexander Christian York, 33, was today sentenced to a maximum of five years jail for the manslaughter of Scotsman Rudi Boa in January last year. Mr Boa, 28, died on January 27 after being stabbed by York at the Blowering Holiday Park, near Tumut. ... The Scottish couple and York, neighbours at the caravan park, were becoming friends and spent the night of January 27 drinking at the Star Hotel in Tumut. However, towards the end of the night, an argument between York and the pair about creationism versus evolution escalated into a shouting match at the pub. The couple, both biomedical scientists, had been arguing the case of evolution, while York had taken a more biblical view of history. ...Although the altercation had been defused by the time the Scottish tourists left the hotel, it became inflamed again at the caravan park when all three were quite drunk. According to Ms Brown, York was making dinner when he attacked the couple outside his tent, stabbing Mr Boa with a kitchen knife as the argument escalated. ...Justice Adams said he had given York a sentence at the lower end of the scale, partly because of the accidental nature of the stabbing. “I do not believe that he took aim but rather thrust out,” Justice Adams said. “I think he knew that the knife was in his hand ... but he did not actually turn his mind to the potentially serious consequences of doing this. “The offender is a person of good character and the offence is a complete aberration.” York, unshaven and dressed in prison greens, sat impassively as Justice Adams read out the sentence....

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Somebody keep the knives away from the Freeper creationists!

BTW, is this one sentence per paragraph style an Australian thing?

1 posted on 12/15/2007 8:15:29 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Goodness, he needed to focus more on the the New Testament teachings. Just wow.
susie


2 posted on 12/15/2007 8:17:36 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Sherman Logan

“I do not believe that he took aim but rather thrust out,”

Huh?


3 posted on 12/15/2007 8:19:24 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Sherman Logan

Another reason you need really thick skin if your going to get involved in a “Crevo” debate.


4 posted on 12/15/2007 8:24:02 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: brytlea
he needed to focus more on the the New Testament teachings.

Both testaments are valid. His mistake wasn't creationism, it was getting drunk.

5 posted on 12/15/2007 8:24:21 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Somebody keep the knives away from the Freeper creationists!

We will put you in the category of nice safe Stalinists. Don't worry you can be part of whatever group you most closely resemble.

6 posted on 12/15/2007 8:25:03 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I think that I shall continue to contain whatever thoughts or comments that I have concerning the debate confined to my FR.com posts.


7 posted on 12/15/2007 8:26:44 AM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: P8riot

I didn’t say one was not valid, I simply implied that he was missing the teachings of Jesus.
susie


8 posted on 12/15/2007 8:28:06 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Sherman Logan
“I do not believe that he took aim but rather thrust out,” Justice Adams said. “I think he knew that the knife was in his hand ... but he did not actually turn his mind to the potentially serious consequences of doing this. “The offender is a person of good character and the offence is a complete aberration.”

What a bunch of absolute whooee. A more rediculous, liberal way of thinking could not be found and has not got a murderer (drunk or not), who killed over such a small thing as this, on a path to be free again within a very short time.

9 posted on 12/15/2007 8:28:33 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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Somebody keep the knives away from the Freeper creationists!

Especially drunk Australian FReeper Creationists, if we've got any.

I think the one-sentence paragraphs occur when articles are put online.

10 posted on 12/15/2007 8:33:12 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: Jeff Head

If you read the article, it appears he was cooking dinner and chopping vegetables with a knife when the other guy attacked him. Under such circumstances a semi-accidental stabbing is not beyond the realm of possibility.


11 posted on 12/15/2007 8:36:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
I read the article, and unless I misread it, which is very possible...the guy came over and attacked the couple.

If I read wrong and the other individual attacked him and he defended himself and in the process the other guy was, in essence, accidently killed, then I withdraw my former comments.

12 posted on 12/15/2007 8:46:23 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

I should have stated that the perp claimed this is what happened. Not enough detail in the article to really say one way or another. But the perp apparently had no record, which makes it more likely that this was a semi-accident fueled by excessive consumption of adult beverages.


13 posted on 12/15/2007 8:49:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Somebody keep the knives away from the Freeper creationists!

When knives are outlawed, only outlaws will have knives.

14 posted on 12/15/2007 8:52:16 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: Sherman Logan

“Scotsman Rudi Boa”

There’s an ancient Scottish name for you.


15 posted on 12/15/2007 8:57:35 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Jeff Head
Justice Adams said he had given York a sentence at the lower end of the scale, partly because of the accidental nature of the stabbing.

That is the Judge speaking. Since he has no ax to grind in this case and saw all of the evidence I would tend to go along with his decision.

16 posted on 12/15/2007 9:02:31 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: dljordan

If the Scotsman was wearing a kilt, could he have seen his Rudi Boa?


17 posted on 12/15/2007 9:09:23 AM PST by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: Sherman Logan

My firewall prevents accidental knife-stabbings during all evolution-creation discussions.


18 posted on 12/15/2007 9:18:56 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Sherman Logan
BTW, is this one sentence per paragraph style an Australian thing?

Complain, complain, complain ... at least they put spaces in between the words. They even have periods at the end of sentences. I suppose next you'll want cohesive thoughts!

19 posted on 12/15/2007 9:19:51 AM PST by TexGuy
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To: TexGuy

Generally, I prefer coherent thoughts. But I’ll settle for the cohesive version if that’s all that’s available.


20 posted on 12/15/2007 9:21:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Okay, I'm just trying to understnad here ...

If a Darwinian wants to propagate his genes he shouldn't argue with drunk creationists? Drunk creationists are better adapted than drunk Darwinians? Wow, Is biology complicated or what?

21 posted on 12/15/2007 9:24:07 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Tax-chick
I think the one-sentence paragraphs occur when articles are put online.

It depends on the copy-paste method. FR's HTML auto-detect is very handy for a quick note. But if you introduce single tag, the system treats the whole post as HTML. So if you tap return twice to separate paragraphs, that will be ignored.

For example, I have a paragraph tag at the beginning of each paragraph in this post. I have to, because I italicized the quote above. If the post had any kind of stray <X> in it, that could muck up the whole deal.

22 posted on 12/15/2007 9:30:55 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: TexGuy
Complain, complain, complain ... at least they put spaces in between the words. They even have periods at the end of sentences.

But their periods spin counter-clockwise.

23 posted on 12/15/2007 9:32:31 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Sherman Logan
But I’ll settle for the cohesive version if that’s all that’s available.

Good! *snicker*

24 posted on 12/15/2007 9:33:06 AM PST by TexGuy
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To: Mad Dawg

Since Noah was the first recorded drunk, I think drunk Creationists probably have an edge in the gene-propagation contest ...


25 posted on 12/15/2007 9:41:22 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: ReignOfError
If the post had any kind of stray in it, that could muck up the whole deal.

Yes, that happens to me, too! However, the article at the source link is formatted with each sentence as a new paragraph. This seems pretty common, and I assume it has to do with the way that website is set up.

26 posted on 12/15/2007 9:42:44 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: brytlea
I simply implied that he was missing the teachings of Jesus.

Like this one?

Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

27 posted on 12/15/2007 9:48:07 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Sherman Logan
Somebody keep the knives away from the Freeper creationists!

I'm not at all a "creationist," but to be fair that statement should be amended to say:

Somebody keep the knives away from any Freeper creationists who happen to be roaring drunk.

28 posted on 12/15/2007 9:53:04 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: PAR35

I guess I missed th rest of that one, it must say, “and stab those who disagree with your interpretation of scripture...”
;)

susie


29 posted on 12/15/2007 9:53:53 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

Fair enough.


30 posted on 12/15/2007 9:55:27 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Michael.SF.
That is the Judge speaking. Since he has no ax to grind in this case and saw all of the evidence I would tend to go along with his decision.

So any decision made by a judge is, by your definition, a good one?
31 posted on 12/15/2007 9:57:59 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: Sherman Logan
Not very good action by a Creationist--neither murder nor drunkeness are laudable Christian behavior.

Suspect that the Macroevolutionists were more than a trifle insulting, however they shouldn't have been murdered.

Maybe it was a little Anglo-Scottish bad blood in the rough-and-tumble land of Oz?

32 posted on 12/15/2007 10:07:19 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: drjimmy

That is a huge leap and one not supported by my comments. Get real.


33 posted on 12/15/2007 10:09:36 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Tax-chick
The murderer was a drunk Englishman. The murderer and victims were Britons (the victims being Scottish).

When started reading, sort of had a similar idea to yours: wow. Australians are tough. Turns out they were Europeans.

34 posted on 12/15/2007 10:12:13 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: drjimmy
More than accounts given by the defendant or the mainstream media.

Relativity.

35 posted on 12/15/2007 10:16:45 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: brytlea

Sorry. I read too much into it. Please accept my apologies.


36 posted on 12/15/2007 10:53:04 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I wonder how much time the judge would have given someone who killed someone in a vehicular accident while driving drunk? The English backpacker’s offense seems to be roughly equivalent. The main difference is that drunk drivers don’t know what their victims’ views on evolution might be.


37 posted on 12/15/2007 10:54:26 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: PAR35

Jesus was just putting “doormat theology” to bed with that one.


38 posted on 12/15/2007 10:56:27 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: brytlea

They weren’t planning to use the swords to trim their beards.


39 posted on 12/15/2007 11:00:21 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Michael.SF.
That is a huge leap and one not supported by my comments.

Well, then, let's look at your comments in their entirety.

"That is the Judge speaking." So because a judge says it, it must be valid.

"Since he has no ax to grind in this case and saw all of the evidence I would tend to go along with his decision." Since it is unlikely that you know this judge personally or were in the courtroom during the case, you have decided solely because he is a judge that he has no ax to grind, that he saw all the evidence in the case, and that his decision is valid.

Res ipsa loquitur.
40 posted on 12/15/2007 12:02:43 PM PST by drjimmy
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Should be : More than accounts given by the defendant and Brown.

If you had to pick between the murderer, the victim's partner, or some other guy with access to lots of information on the case (the judge, here), which would you pick to make a balanced position?

41 posted on 12/15/2007 12:03:34 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Sherman Logan

What would you say about this?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1939986/posts


42 posted on 12/15/2007 12:53:46 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Tax-chick

Are you SURE? I can just see NOah reeling into a bar (of his own construction) slamming his mug (or horn, or cup, or whatever) onto the counter and saying, “I’m fitter’n anyone in the place! Anyone here wanna shay I’m not the fittesh? Shurvival my BUTT. I can do WAY more than jus shurvive!”


43 posted on 12/15/2007 1:21:37 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
If a Darwinian wants to propagate his genes he shouldn't argue with drunk creationists? Drunk creationists are better adapted than drunk Darwinians? Wow, Is biology complicated or what?

*************

LOL! Sure, make a joke out of it. :)

44 posted on 12/15/2007 1:26:42 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sherman Logan; ontap; dighton
Creationism argument ended in death

I really thought we would have evolved beyond this.

45 posted on 12/15/2007 1:28:37 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: drjimmy
Well, then, let's look at your edited comments:

"That is the Judge speaking." So because a judge says it, it must be valid.

Note I am referring to ONE specific judge. You extended the comment to "a Judge", any Judge. That is the first leap you made.

you have decided solely because he is a judge that he has no ax to grind

-- No. I decided because he is THE judge of this case, not just a random Judge.

I would tend to go along with his decision. -- Note the use of the word "tend", meaning hearing no evidence or objections against his opinion, I would lean towards believing he made the right decision.

you have decided ... that he saw all the evidence in the case,-- Well since he was the Judge in this case it stands to reason that he saw all the evidence doesn't it?

I note also the following:

1) He was convicted of manslaughter, not murder.

2) The article does not mention any dispute over the sentence handed down or the lowered charge (vs. murder).

3) THE Judge refers to this as an "accident", that wording is not mentioned as being in question.

Unless you have any evidence to support anything else I will stand by my statement, which you have misinterpreted.

46 posted on 12/15/2007 1:31:30 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Yes, I caught the part that the creationist with the knife was actually British on the second reading. Probably living in Australia without a valid work permit, in addition to being drunk!


47 posted on 12/15/2007 1:32:47 PM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: Mad Dawg
“I’m fitter’n anyone in the place! Anyone here wanna shay I’m not the fittesh?

Well, that would probably get him killed, especially if he tried it in Australia ... but he'd already propagated his genes before the Flood!

48 posted on 12/15/2007 1:40:20 PM PST by Tax-chick (Every committee wants to take over the world.)
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To: P8riot

No apology needed. I was just trying to make a sort of ironic statement, and I think I failed. You have a great day (I hope you’re not stuck in the ice and stuff). :)
susie


49 posted on 12/15/2007 3:08:15 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: PAR35

So, explain to me what they were going to use them for. Are you suggesting that he was telling them to go out and stab those who didn’t agree with them?
susie


50 posted on 12/15/2007 3:09:58 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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