Skip to comments.Barack Obama Goes to Church, Talks About His Faith Amid Internet Muslim Rumors
Posted on 12/17/2007 5:53:43 AM PST by Blue Turtle
MASON CITY, Iowa Democrat Barack Obama on Sunday confronted one of the persistent falsehoods circulating about him on the Internet.
He went to church.
His attendance here at the First Congregational United Church of Christ, with the news media in tow, was as much an observation of faith as it was a rejoinder to baseless e-mailed rumors that he is a Muslim and poses a threat to the security of the United States.
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Using the church in this way is....a sin.
He is a member of the UCC which is the most liberal Christian church out there.
Irrespective what religion he embraces, he’s made it clear that he would not stand up to radical Islam.
As a boy he was embraced by Islam.
Barack Hussein Obama
let’s see... our next president could have names that will continually remind us of Sadaam Hussein and Osama Bin laden. Yea just what we need.
“Going to church” counts for jack in my book. Let’s hear him stand up and recite the Nicene Creed.
He is an APOSTATE MUSLIM. In Sharia, the punishment is death.
One think he can’t do is get all misty eyed talking about the faith of his fathers like Romney does.
As I understand it, its a hate whitey church. I would hardly classify that as christian.
He’s never been a Muslim.
We need to save this for if/when he gets the Democrapic nomination. He’ll be much easier to beat than Her Thighness.
“Hes never been a Muslim.”
Are you sure? There is some evidence to suggest that he was at least nominally a Muslim as a small child.
Well, that would be interesting to see. I do recall reading on a thread here that Muslims can take any oath or say anything they need to, yet their allegience to Allah overrides all. Does that sound familiar to anyone??
And “at least nominally a Muslim” is all you need for sudden jihad syndrome to strike in later life.
Its worse even than that, Diane.
Muslims can specifically deny the very existence of Allah, as long as they do it with an eye to helping the spread of Islam. There is an example of this behaviour in the Koran, approved by mohammed.
He went to a school but I doubt he converted. That would be something that would persevere. His mom is an infidel.
Obama is a guaranteed muslim. According to the Koran, deception and lying are acceptable tactics to assist in killing and/or subjugating the infidels. Obama’s lying is all part of the game to persuade the gullible that he is what he says he is, not what he was and remains.
This whole “Hussein squelches internet Muslim rumors” thing has a certain Clintonian whiff to it. I surf this here internet dealy more than most and I simply did not see any particular “Obama is a Mulim” rumor mongering over the last few days or weeks. So here is a specific question to my fellow FReepers: Who here has seen a substantial uptick in rumors of Barry’s Islam-ticity over the last little while that would justify his campaign staging an event such as yesterday’s church visit? Anyone?
No evidence at all. He went to a Muslim school but it doesn’t mean he became a Muslim, especially in a Catholic school. He was a major dope smoker in Hawaii as a teen. That would be the time he would convert.
Someone here had a link for a concise life timeline of Obama. Would love to get that!
Nevermind! I just saw it in a previous post.
There isn’t any evidence that he ever embraced Islam as an adolescent or as an adult.
However, there is evidence to suggest that while in attendance at school in Indonesia, he was counted as a Muslim, and engaged in Muslim religious practice.
That he “grew out of it” is entirely possible. Many kids do grow out of the religion in which they grow up.
But just as we would count someone as a former Catholic who was baptized Catholic, but who in his adulthood left the Church for another religion, it seems that Mr. Obama is likely a former Muslim.
I would venture to say that as the campaign progresses, particular if he gets the nomination, he's *current* house of worship choice will hurt him more than attending an Islamic school as a child.
If he was reciting the Koran and was registered at the school as a Muslim, that's all he needed to do to BE a Muslim, under Islamic law.
Did you read about the Coptic Christian lady who is being prosecuted in Egypt, because her estranged father briefly converted to Islam? The government is requiring that she BE Islamic, or be deemed an apostate.
It opens up a serious can of worms.
Muslims are not allowed to join Christian churches. If he is a clandestine Muslim, I would think he would be spending time with some Muslims.
Only Hillary is doing that.
Isn't the UCC the Unitarians Considering Christ?
That could put all sorts of pressure on him as president. Think of the propaganda value to the various terrorist organizations. Do we really want to go there?
I think his current black-supremacist church is also a problem, because the line they spouted (until they changed their website) is creepily like Farrakhan's organization.
As for Hillary, I think her interest in Islam is purely financial (and possibly extracurricular).
If he isn’t a Muslim then he is not much of a Christian..
Here are their points, written by a committee back in 1981:
Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
This is where the post came fromI had read before the church he attended wasn’t far from muslim both hate whites......http://camelsnose.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/is-barack-obamas-trinity-church-racist/
Then where did he get his name? At the local synagogue? He was as a child.
No kidding. Voting for someone named Barack Hussein Obama in this day and age would be like voting for someone named Karl Mussolini Hisler during WWII.
He’s the Manchurian muslim. People don’t realize that any Muslim can lie his ass off about his faith and not be in violation of anything, so long as it benefits his position as a muslim. I’ve seen this personally with a (former) associate of mine who was a muslim - I didn’t even know it.
He’s no Christian. He’s just not a Muslim either.
He will consider the taking of such an oath contrary t his worldview/faith/what-have-you... pick one.
He considers a lapel pin of the US flag an inappropriate symbol of patriotism...
He does not respect or salute the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.
Naaahhhh.... the answer is "neither"....
This one is pretty good.
rumors that he is a Muslim and poses a threat to the security of the United States.
Oh, I get it. He was a practicing student of islam, but not a true member. It’s sorta like “but I didn’t inhale”...;’}
I overheard some elderly Democrats at a diner the other day who all seemed to think he was a Muslim, and they would not support him as a result.
Of course you’re both right. The UCC as a denomination is an extremely liberal church. However, Obama’s particular UCC church is a pro-black, pro-Jackson/Sharpton, pro-reparations, “the white man is causing me to suffer”, anti-Bush, activist church. A quick perusal of their website and online magazine demonstrates that suijuris isn’t too far off in his/her assessment.
Or a Protestant who goes to a Catholic school.
He was an elementary aged student who attended a public school in a Muslim country. He learned lessons about Islam, because all of the public schools in Indonesia teach Islam. His step-father was a Muslim, and I believe he went to mosque with him on some occaisions. That is all there is to it. I don’t believe he is much of a Christian, but he isn’t a Muslim.
Obama has several political views that are worthy of substantial criticism. Why do so many here insist on making fun of his name, and claiming he is a Muslim, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
Is it not sufficient that he believes that all women should be entitled to federally funded abortions at any point in their pregnancy, or that he wants to pull out of Iraq? How about that he believes in increasing taxes, or supports joining the Kyoto protocol?
When all we talk about is his name or his ties to Islam, it gives the impression that there isn’t any genuine criticism of him as a candidate. There are plenty and I believe that it would be beneficial to focus on them.