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Barack Obama Goes to Church, Talks About His Faith Amid Internet Muslim Rumors
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Posted on 12/17/2007 5:53:43 AM PST by Blue Turtle

MASON CITY, Iowa — Democrat Barack Obama on Sunday confronted one of the persistent falsehoods circulating about him on the Internet.

He went to church.

His attendance here at the First Congregational United Church of Christ, with the news media in tow, was as much an observation of faith as it was a rejoinder to baseless e-mailed rumors that he is a Muslim and poses a threat to the security of the United States.

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So he will swear on the bible if he wins the presidency? Not the Koran?
1 posted on 12/17/2007 5:53:47 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: Blue Turtle

Using the church in this way is....a sin.


2 posted on 12/17/2007 5:54:17 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: Blue Turtle

He is a member of the UCC which is the most liberal Christian church out there.


3 posted on 12/17/2007 5:54:57 AM PST by MeSpikeLibs
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To: Blue Turtle

Irrespective what religion he embraces, he’s made it clear that he would not stand up to radical Islam.


4 posted on 12/17/2007 5:55:02 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Brilliant

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/01/tracking-down-obama-in-indonesia-part-4.html

As a boy he was embraced by Islam.


5 posted on 12/17/2007 5:58:52 AM PST by Sundog (Cheers.)
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To: Sundog

Barack Hussein Obama

let’s see... our next president could have names that will continually remind us of Sadaam Hussein and Osama Bin laden. Yea just what we need.


6 posted on 12/17/2007 6:01:57 AM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: Blue Turtle

“Going to church” counts for jack in my book. Let’s hear him stand up and recite the Nicene Creed.


7 posted on 12/17/2007 6:03:27 AM PST by Fairview (Taxes? I paid those -last- year!)
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To: Blue Turtle

He is an APOSTATE MUSLIM. In Sharia, the punishment is death.


8 posted on 12/17/2007 6:03:53 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: Blue Turtle
was as much an observation of faith as it was a rejoinder to baseless e-mailed rumors that he is a Muslim

Baseless? More agenda-driven reporting without a byline.
9 posted on 12/17/2007 6:04:00 AM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Blue Turtle

One think he can’t do is get all misty eyed talking about the faith of his fathers like Romney does.


10 posted on 12/17/2007 6:06:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: Blue Turtle

11 posted on 12/17/2007 6:06:55 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: MeSpikeLibs
He is a member of the UCC which is the most liberal Christian church out there.

As I understand it, its a hate whitey church. I would hardly classify that as christian.

12 posted on 12/17/2007 6:09:57 AM PST by suijuris
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To: Blue Turtle

He’s never been a Muslim.


13 posted on 12/17/2007 6:11:50 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Sundog

We need to save this for if/when he gets the Democrapic nomination. He’ll be much easier to beat than Her Thighness.


14 posted on 12/17/2007 6:12:02 AM PST by panaxanax (Ronald Reagan would vote for Duncan Hunter!)
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To: Blue Turtle
I’ve been to synagogue - - doesn’t make me a Jew.
15 posted on 12/17/2007 6:24:56 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: AppyPappy
Dear AppyPappy,

“He’s never been a Muslim.”

Are you sure? There is some evidence to suggest that he was at least nominally a Muslim as a small child.


sitetest

16 posted on 12/17/2007 6:25:17 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Fairview
"Let’s hear him stand up and recite the Nicene Creed."

Well, that would be interesting to see. I do recall reading on a thread here that Muslims can take any oath or say anything they need to, yet their allegience to Allah overrides all. Does that sound familiar to anyone??

17 posted on 12/17/2007 6:29:12 AM PST by sweet_diane (Merry Christmas!)
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To: sitetest

And “at least nominally a Muslim” is all you need for sudden jihad syndrome to strike in later life.


18 posted on 12/17/2007 6:29:29 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: sweet_diane

Its worse even than that, Diane.

Muslims can specifically deny the very existence of Allah, as long as they do it with an eye to helping the spread of Islam. There is an example of this behaviour in the Koran, approved by mohammed.


19 posted on 12/17/2007 6:31:34 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: sitetest

He went to a school but I doubt he converted. That would be something that would persevere. His mom is an infidel.


20 posted on 12/17/2007 6:37:47 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
While living in Indonesia, Obama attended the Assisi Primary School, a Catholic school, and Besuki Primary School, a government school. He was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Muslim, in both.

All Indonesian students were required to study religion at government schools and a young Barry Soetoro, being registered as a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama, himself, mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 throuh 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.

"I remembered that he had studied "menjaji" (recitation of the Quran)" she said.

Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.

You want more?

The Obama File
21 posted on 12/17/2007 6:37:48 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Blue Turtle

Obama is a guaranteed muslim. According to the Koran, deception and lying are acceptable tactics to assist in killing and/or subjugating the infidels. Obama’s lying is all part of the game to persuade the gullible that he is what he says he is, not what he was and remains.


22 posted on 12/17/2007 6:39:57 AM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: Blue Turtle

This whole “Hussein squelches internet Muslim rumors” thing has a certain Clintonian whiff to it. I surf this here internet dealy more than most and I simply did not see any particular “Obama is a Mulim” rumor mongering over the last few days or weeks. So here is a specific question to my fellow FReepers: Who here has seen a substantial uptick in rumors of Barry’s Islam-ticity over the last little while that would justify his campaign staging an event such as yesterday’s church visit? Anyone?


23 posted on 12/17/2007 6:40:15 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: Beckwith

No evidence at all. He went to a Muslim school but it doesn’t mean he became a Muslim, especially in a Catholic school. He was a major dope smoker in Hawaii as a teen. That would be the time he would convert.


24 posted on 12/17/2007 6:40:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Blue Turtle

Someone here had a link for a concise life timeline of Obama. Would love to get that!


25 posted on 12/17/2007 6:44:44 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: vidbizz

Nevermind! I just saw it in a previous post.


26 posted on 12/17/2007 6:46:29 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: AppyPappy
Dear AppyPappy,

There isn’t any evidence that he ever embraced Islam as an adolescent or as an adult.

However, there is evidence to suggest that while in attendance at school in Indonesia, he was counted as a Muslim, and engaged in Muslim religious practice.

That he “grew out of it” is entirely possible. Many kids do grow out of the religion in which they grow up.

But just as we would count someone as a former Catholic who was baptized Catholic, but who in his adulthood left the Church for another religion, it seems that Mr. Obama is likely a former Muslim.


sitetest

27 posted on 12/17/2007 6:47:27 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: suijuris
I would not go that far. I have been to a few services. But some of their churches support Gay marriage, they are totally against Iraq and Afghanistan. Not all UCC churches are the same, but overall they are very liberal.
28 posted on 12/17/2007 6:48:30 AM PST by MeSpikeLibs
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To: suijuris
As I understand it, its a hate whitey church. I would hardly classify that as christian.

I would venture to say that as the campaign progresses, particular if he gets the nomination, he's *current* house of worship choice will hurt him more than attending an Islamic school as a child.

29 posted on 12/17/2007 6:49:18 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: AppyPappy
Wait a sec.

If he was reciting the Koran and was registered at the school as a Muslim, that's all he needed to do to BE a Muslim, under Islamic law.

Did you read about the Coptic Christian lady who is being prosecuted in Egypt, because her estranged father briefly converted to Islam? The government is requiring that she BE Islamic, or be deemed an apostate.

It opens up a serious can of worms.

30 posted on 12/17/2007 6:49:20 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Muslims are not allowed to join Christian churches. If he is a clandestine Muslim, I would think he would be spending time with some Muslims.

Only Hillary is doing that.


31 posted on 12/17/2007 6:52:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MeSpikeLibs
He is a member of the UCC which is the most liberal Christian church out there.

Isn't the UCC the Unitarians Considering Christ?

32 posted on 12/17/2007 6:55:53 AM PST by NeoCaveman (No handshows - Fred Dalton Thompson for President 2008, take that Nurse Rached debate moderator lady)
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To: AppyPappy
It's not so much that he's a clandestinely practicing Muslim at this time (Hillary would have dug THAT up), but that he presents a problem as an apostate Muslim.

That could put all sorts of pressure on him as president. Think of the propaganda value to the various terrorist organizations. Do we really want to go there?

I think his current black-supremacist church is also a problem, because the line they spouted (until they changed their website) is creepily like Farrakhan's organization.

As for Hillary, I think her interest in Islam is purely financial (and possibly extracurricular).

33 posted on 12/17/2007 6:56:13 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Blue Turtle

If he isn’t a Muslim then he is not much of a Christian..

Here are their points, written by a committee back in 1981:

Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

This is where the post came fromI had read before the church he attended wasn’t far from muslim both hate whites......http://camelsnose.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/is-barack-obamas-trinity-church-racist/


34 posted on 12/17/2007 7:01:39 AM PST by PLD
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To: AppyPappy

Then where did he get his name? At the local synagogue? He was as a child.


35 posted on 12/17/2007 7:13:04 AM PST by RatRipper
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To: Fairview
Let’s hear him stand up and recite the Nicene Creed.

From memory...

36 posted on 12/17/2007 7:16:28 AM PST by gridlock (Of all the pleasures of watching Hillary fail, the sweetest will be watching Bill duck the blame...)
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To: RDTF

No kidding. Voting for someone named Barack Hussein Obama in this day and age would be like voting for someone named Karl Mussolini Hisler during WWII.


37 posted on 12/17/2007 7:23:34 AM PST by Optimus Prime (I recently made the mistake of trying to hit on a woman who supports Ron Paul. NEVER AGAIN!)
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To: Fresh Wind

He’s the Manchurian muslim. People don’t realize that any Muslim can lie his ass off about his faith and not be in violation of anything, so long as it benefits his position as a muslim. I’ve seen this personally with a (former) associate of mine who was a muslim - I didn’t even know it.


38 posted on 12/17/2007 7:31:21 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: AppyPappy
Of course he’s a Christian. With the name Hussain he can address “a billion Muslims.” Therefore, he should publicly address them now; telling them they should embrace “the Lord Jesus Christ” and renounce the false religion based on the “satanic verses” of an Arabian bandit. Right?
39 posted on 12/17/2007 7:32:04 AM PST by Hiddigeigei (Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.)
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To: Hiddigeigei

He’s no Christian. He’s just not a Muslim either.


40 posted on 12/17/2007 7:32:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Blue Turtle
So he will swear on the bible if he wins the presidency? Not the Koran?

*****

Likely neither....
He will consider the taking of such an oath contrary t his worldview/faith/what-have-you... pick one.

Lemme see....
He considers a lapel pin of the US flag an inappropriate symbol of patriotism...
He does not respect or salute the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance.

Naaahhhh.... the answer is "neither"....

JMHO

41 posted on 12/17/2007 7:42:51 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: vidbizz
Someone here had a link for a concise life timeline of Obama. Would love to get that!

This one is pretty good.

42 posted on 12/17/2007 7:43:08 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: Blue Turtle

rumors that he is a Muslim and poses a threat to the security of the United States.


I really get a kick out of advancing this rumor to my liberal friends when we discuss candidates. It’s fun watching the steam coming out of their ears and nose as I voice my concerns about his muslim beliefs with a serious expression on my face.


43 posted on 12/17/2007 7:48:09 AM PST by Joan Kerrey (Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
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To: Beckwith

Oh, I get it. He was a practicing student of islam, but not a true member. It’s sorta like “but I didn’t inhale”...;’}


44 posted on 12/17/2007 7:48:37 AM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: AppyPappy
He’s never been a Muslim. ============== Sure, Sure
45 posted on 12/17/2007 7:50:46 AM PST by Joan Kerrey (Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
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To: Blue Turtle

I overheard some elderly Democrats at a diner the other day who all seemed to think he was a Muslim, and they would not support him as a result.


46 posted on 12/17/2007 7:51:02 AM PST by montag813
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To: suijuris; MeSpikeLibs

Of course you’re both right. The UCC as a denomination is an extremely liberal church. However, Obama’s particular UCC church is a pro-black, pro-Jackson/Sharpton, pro-reparations, “the white man is causing me to suffer”, anti-Bush, activist church. A quick perusal of their website and online magazine demonstrates that suijuris isn’t too far off in his/her assessment.


47 posted on 12/17/2007 7:52:04 AM PST by agrace
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To: rockrr

Or a Protestant who goes to a Catholic school.


48 posted on 12/17/2007 7:52:07 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
He went to a Muslim school but it doesn’t mean he became a Muslim,

Never said he became a Muslim - - he was born a Muslim.

His grandfather was a Muslim. His father was a Muslim. His stepfather was a Muslim.

I don't know what he considers himself now - - but he was, by birth and blood, a Muslim.
49 posted on 12/17/2007 7:55:39 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: rockrr

He was an elementary aged student who attended a public school in a Muslim country. He learned lessons about Islam, because all of the public schools in Indonesia teach Islam. His step-father was a Muslim, and I believe he went to mosque with him on some occaisions. That is all there is to it. I don’t believe he is much of a Christian, but he isn’t a Muslim.

Obama has several political views that are worthy of substantial criticism. Why do so many here insist on making fun of his name, and claiming he is a Muslim, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Is it not sufficient that he believes that all women should be entitled to federally funded abortions at any point in their pregnancy, or that he wants to pull out of Iraq? How about that he believes in increasing taxes, or supports joining the Kyoto protocol?

When all we talk about is his name or his ties to Islam, it gives the impression that there isn’t any genuine criticism of him as a candidate. There are plenty and I believe that it would be beneficial to focus on them.


50 posted on 12/17/2007 8:06:52 AM PST by ga medic
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