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We're Going Through a Test
The Gazette ^ | Dec 17, 2007 | Carlyn Ray Mitchell

Posted on 12/17/2007 9:05:27 AM PST by Balata

'We're going through a test'

A week after tragedy, New Life Church’s Boyd asks parishioners to be honest with feelings

By CARLYN RAY MITCHELL

THE GAZETTE

December 17, 2007 - 12:21AM

Hands were raised once again in praise, but it was not any given Sunday at New Life Church.

Nor should anyone have pretended it was, Senior Pastor Brady Boyd said a week after a gunman killed two young worshippers.

Boyd said he was proud of the 7,000 to 7,500 attendees of Sunday’s two morning services who rallied against fears about returning to the site of last week’s rampage, where 18-year-old Stephanie Works and her 16-year-old sister, Rachel, were killed.

“Last weekend was a test,” Boyd said. “We’re going through a test, we’re operating in a test. But we’re passing the test.”

Boyd told parishioners to be honest with their feelings.

“It is OK if you’re not doing well,” Boyd said. “I don’t want any of us to walk around with a mask or facade of strength when inside our hearts are not doing well.”

The day’s events included a brief, strange moment when one of those wounded last week was escorted from the church campus by the police, who asked him not to return.

Larry Bourbonnais, 59, left church grounds peacefully at the request of church officials, who called in Colorado Springs police for extra support.

“He cooperated, and we told him that he wasn’t welcome back on the property,” police Sgt. Lonnie Spanswick said.

Church officials told police they plan to file a restraining order against Bourbonnais, Spanswick said.

In a news conference after church, Boyd said of Bourbonnais, “We felt he was a bit volatile this morning, and we did not want any disruption to our service.” Boyd said officials will be reaching out to Bourbonnais this week to ensure an “amicable” resolution. Boyd didn’t elaborate.

Wounded slightly in the arm during the shooting, Bourbonnais has shared his story with a number of media outlets during the past week, claiming that he tried without success to persuade an armed security guard to confront the gunman, Matthew Murray; pleaded with the guard to give him a gun; then yelled at Murray to distract him before another security guard, Jeanne Assam, opened fire, wounding Murray. An autopsy concluded that Murray then shot himself.

Contacted Sunday afternoon by The Gazette, Bourbonnais declined to comment. But while leaving the parking lot Sunday morning, he told KRDO television that New Life officials don’t like his criticism of the security guard who wouldn’t confront the gunman.

“They said I denigrated the security staff and made them look bad,” Bourbonnais told KRDO.

Boyd told KRDO that Bourbonnais should have evacuated the building with the rest of the parishioners.

“His actions last weekend probably did more to harm the process than to help it,” Boyd told KRDO.

The church had more visible security Sunday, which will be the norm for the time being, Boyd said.

“We thought it was important for families and moms and dads that when they dropped their kids off in our children’s ministry or our nursery or our junior high ministry, they saw a uniformed police officer,” Boyd said.

Assam was at the 11 a.m. service on Sunday but is taking time off from her security duties at the church, Boyd said.

The Works’ extended family attended services Sunday, but Boyd said Marie Works, the victims’ mother, was at the hospital with David Works, Stephanie and Rachel’s father, who was also shot.

A memorial service for Stephanie and Rachel Works is scheduled at New Life for 2 p.m. Wednesday.

Like many church members, Daniel Ferrin, who with his family has attended New Life off and on over the past six years, said he wasn’t afraid to come to church Sunday.

“It is horrible what happened, but it is great to see that there is some good coming out of it,” Ferrin said. “As Pastor Brady was saying, let’s get rid of all of a lot of the problems with different churches with the differences in theology. We are all here for one reason, because we worship God. We’re here for Jesus because he’s our savior.”

John Phillips of Des Moines said he had traveled to New Life to share the message that the greater church community is praying for the congregation.

“When one church hurts, we all do,” Phillips said.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: christianity; colorado; coloradosprings; criticism; followup; newlife; newlifechurch; religion; shooting
Poliltical corretness continues.
1 posted on 12/17/2007 9:05:30 AM PST by Balata
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To: Balata

“Boyd told KRDO that Bourbonnais should have evacuated the building with the rest of the parishioners.”

It’s important to be a sheep and follow the flock.


2 posted on 12/17/2007 9:07:28 AM PST by Balata
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To: Balata

Unless there is more to this story than we are being told, the leadership at that church are idiots.


3 posted on 12/17/2007 9:17:26 AM PST by dadgum (Ibrahim Hooper is a closet transvestite)
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To: dadgum

Im sure there is much more to the story. Church leadership does not make these sort of decision without going through biblical reasoning, he must have provoked them.


4 posted on 12/17/2007 9:20:01 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: dadgum

““His actions last weekend probably did more to harm the process than to help it,” Boyd told KRDO.”

Gosh, I thought he was one of the hero’s who saved at least 100 other church members.

This article was on the front page of the Colorado Springs Gazette today with a picture of a uniformed police officer escorting Larry Bourbonnais off the church grounds.

It don’t figure.


5 posted on 12/17/2007 9:23:38 AM PST by Balata
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

The guy has been on several local news outlets and has basically “bragged” he had tried to stop the kid and got shot in the arm.

It’s possible he did just that in an attempt to help. I’m not sure about the remarks that he repeatedly asked one of the guards to give up his weapon though, that sounds a bit odd, and I’m sure as hell not handing a weapon over to someone else no matter who he is, and especially not when he’s begging for it.

That’s what sounds “off” in this story to me.


6 posted on 12/17/2007 9:24:50 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Balata
“His actions last weekend probably did more to harm the process than to help it,” Boyd told KRDO.

Is this the so-called "process" of healing? In that case, sweeping the facts under the rug helps nobody. The correct response to the other guards' non-response is to find some new guards, not punish the whistle blower. Those that are traumatized by the shooting and still refuse to take measures to defend themselves will probably take comfort in knowing they're no longer guarded by sheep.

Ladies and gentlemen of Freerepublic.com, your protection is up to you. Leadership will not and can not protect you. Get your concealed carry permit and bear arms everywhere that it is legal to do so.

7 posted on 12/17/2007 9:38:10 AM PST by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: Travis McGee; Jeff Head; Joe Brower; archy

Ping...

Monday morning quarterbacking. What do ya think?


8 posted on 12/17/2007 9:46:52 AM PST by Balata
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To: Balata

There is a tremendous trait among humans to try to find meaning or significance in events. The fact is many events (maybe most) have no deeper meaning or significance. Sometimes bad things just happen.

This tendency is common with both religious folks and non-religious folks. There seems to be a remarkable reluctance to cope with the fact that some things in life are just up to chance.


9 posted on 12/17/2007 9:47:32 AM PST by Wildman Woody ("In Webb We Trust." - - Dragnet Forever!!!)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
“The day’s events included a brief, strange moment when one of those wounded last week was escorted from the church campus by the police, who asked him not to return.

Larry Bourbonnais, 59, left church grounds peacefully at the request of church officials, who called in Colorado Springs police for extra support.

“He cooperated, and we told him that he wasn’t welcome back on the property,” police Sgt. Lonnie Spanswick said.

Church officials told police they plan to file a restraining order against Bourbonnais, Spanswick said.”

What provocation would evoke this response? Would critisizing the armed guard that did nothing be reason enough?

10 posted on 12/17/2007 9:58:21 AM PST by Balata
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To: Balata
Can't say...but if Bourbonnais really did distract the killer by drawing fire onto himself, then his actions were something that very likely helped Jeanne in her confrontation and shooting. For that, he should not be castigated or kicked out, but should be praised and worked with.

If he did in fact plead with one of the guards to give him a gun so he could help, he should be applauded for that too, and the security guards should be better trained to act when confronted by such a killer as Murray..but all of that is where the story is not as clear I am sure.

If Bourbonnais went about bragging about his own actions and publically down talking the security guards as opposed to working with them...then that not only throws doubt (IMHO) on his own strory, such actions would certainly unavoidably lead to a disagreement and break with the church and its leadership.

Whatever the case, if Bourbonnais distracted the gunman at risk to his own life just before Jeanne shot the gunman, then Bourbonnais deserves praise for that act of bravery and should not be labeled as someone who should have run the other way. As I say, if that is in fact what he did (confront the killer) then his actions added materially to the outcome IMHO.

11 posted on 12/17/2007 10:05:10 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, thanks for your reply. I always look forward to your input. The following link has an interesting discussion on this topic. One of the posters claims to be Larry’s son-in-law. He stated the church hasn’t contacted Larry to thank him or recognize him in anyway since the shooting. There is also a response by a church member.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/church_30970___article.html/boyd_sunday.html


12 posted on 12/17/2007 2:05:51 PM PST by Balata
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To: Rick.Donaldson

“I’m sure as hell not handing a weapon over to someone else no matter who he is, and especially not when he’s begging for it.”

You probably aren’t one to stand around when action is needed and people are getting shot either.


13 posted on 12/17/2007 2:08:27 PM PST by Balata
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To: Balata
The day’s events included a brief, strange moment when one of those wounded last week was escorted from the church campus by the police, who asked him not to return.

Larry Bourbonnais, 59, left church grounds peacefully at the request of church officials, who called in Colorado Springs police for extra support.

“He cooperated, and we told him that he wasn’t welcome back on the property,” police Sgt. Lonnie Spanswick said.

Church officials told police they plan to file a restraining order against Bourbonnais, Spanswick said.

In a news conference after church, Boyd said of Bourbonnais, “We felt he was a bit volatile this morning, and we did not want any disruption to our service.” Boyd said officials will be reaching out to Bourbonnais this week to ensure an “amicable” resolution. Boyd didn’t elaborate.

Does anyone else find this more than a little strange? why would Bourbonnais want to talk to them after how they treated him?

14 posted on 12/17/2007 2:44:38 PM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: logic
If you follow the link I posted in #12 Larry’s son-in-law claims he was the family spokesman and had Larry’s cell phone all week and no calls came from the Church.

Larry was also accosted by a Deacon of the Church on Monday night according to his son-in-law

15 posted on 12/17/2007 2:48:54 PM PST by Balata
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To: logic
"will be reaching out to Bourbonnais this week..."

LOL! Reaching out with a restraining order.

16 posted on 12/17/2007 2:51:11 PM PST by Balata
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To: Balata
Well, on that form, Tobias, who indicates he is the son-in-law of Larry Bourbonnais, the 59 year old man who tried to distract the killer, had this to say:
I am larry's son-in-law. I have been there through all of this and I as a person and a member of the family am outraged with the way NLC handled this. Instead of calling him him at some point in time throughout the week and saying "Hey Larry can you sit this one out" they did nothing until Sunday moring. How do I know this you ask per his request I had the mans phone the whole entire week. I have feilded calls from the media, his friends and family. Oddly enough I go through my notes and nothing from new life. I destincly remember make several calls to new life so Larry could talk to someone in the leadership. Not once did any of our messages get returned.

Monday night he went to the church and was acosted by a deacon. The deacon said "At this time of hightened security we would appriciate it if you didn't say anything bad about the security staff." which larry refused to lie about what happed. The deacon then grabbed larry's left arm (the one he got shot in) and prceeded to yell at him. That was the last contact larry had with church until sunday morning.

Larry is a good christian and as a good christian he attends not only the services but sunday school before hand. He showed up early, as he does every Sunday, and spoke to his friends and went through the whole entire class with no interuption. At the end he walked to the sanctuary to attend the services. Before the man even had an oppertunity to sit down 13 men including 2 members of the colorado springs police department(there only by the reqeust of the leadership)man handled him out of the building.

I ask you do think that it should take 13 men to escort a calm 59 year old man outside? my answer.. absolutely not. Particularly a 59 year old man who had been shot a weeek before. As for the theory of larry being not asked to come. It's kinda hard to ask someone not to come if you don't talk to them. in fact if asked not to come he wouldn't have. We could have gone to another church. Since we felt part of the healing proccess was going back to the place where everything happened, we went to church. At this point we are 98% sure that the church's reasoning was because they din't want larry to belittle the security that day. Which at no point in time has he ever doneand will he ever do. In all of the interveiws he gave not once did he he say anything negative to/about the 2 security gaurds. Mearly that he was unarmed and they weren't shooting so he thought of something else that help distract him long enough for Ms. Assam to do what she did. I also revert to the interviews adn in every single one he praised Jeanne for being brave and doing what she did.

The point is that why would you kick a hero out of church. Better yet why would you kick a christian out of church? As of right now we may never find out. Pastor Brady Boyd says he's been trying to call but no calls have come through. Will this be the same of trying to come to an amicable resolution? We will just have to wait and see.

The family only means to display its disgust for the church and the way they handled things. At no point in time do we want CSPD to catch any flack about this. They were mearly doing as the land owner asked for which we thank them for doing their jobs.
I know it is their side, so I am interested in hearing what the Church has to say...but I have to say, what Tobias relates sure sounds bad for the church. Unless there is something more (and there could be), along the lines of what I posted in my last response, it sure stinks to high heaven what they are doing to this man.
17 posted on 12/17/2007 2:52:22 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

The leadership of the Church doesn’t seem to be passing this “Test”, or at least the PR part of it.

Perhaps, and this is the only reason I can think of, they don’t want future potential shooters, God forbid, to think their security guards won’t act in times of crisis.

Maybe we’ll hear from Jeanne soon.


18 posted on 12/17/2007 3:03:39 PM PST by Balata
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To: Jeff Head
I know it is their side, so I am interested in hearing what the Church has to say...but I have to say, what Tobias relates sure sounds bad for the church. Unless there is something more (and there could be), along the lines of what I posted in my last response, it sure stinks to high heaven what they are doing to this man.

While I can certainly understand your point about Bourbonnais being treated in a less-than-Christian manner, it is also easy to see that this highly emotional event has supercharged the atmosphere for the leadership. Personally, I must admit I am biased and have a hard time being as gracious as I should when I read the less-than-literate perspective presented by Tobias. Add in Bourbonnais' imprudent actions (riding to the sound of guns when he didn't have one, breaking the First Rule of a Gunfight: bring a gun) and words (criticizing those who followed the rules) and the family begins to appear a few fries short of a Happy Meal, IMO. I have a suspicion that Bourbonnais has posed other challenges for church leadership and this put him over the line of their tolerance level.

19 posted on 12/17/2007 3:28:09 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45
Bourbonnais' imprudent actions (riding to the sound of guns when he didn't have one, breaking the First Rule of a Gunfight: bring a gun) and words (criticizing those who followed the rules)

One person may call that imprudent...another, when you take into account that people were being killed and the guy was intent on killing more, and this man apparently is a Vietnam combat vet, could also call it couragous to try and stop a mad killer who has an asault rifle and handgun and beaucuop ammo, by taking him on without one.

At the very least his distraction would allow time for others to escape...or, as it turned out, someone with a gun to get into position to take the killer down.

My jury is still out too...but I tend towards the latter category. When a guy with a gun is attacking women, children, and men who are crowded into a large sanctuary...and the killer is headed that way...IMHO, a couragous person tries to stop them with whatever he can muster.

20 posted on 12/17/2007 3:36:48 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

“you can tell the coward from the hero when you see which way they run” -Randy Travis


21 posted on 12/17/2007 3:46:38 PM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Jeff Head
I know it is their side, so I am interested in hearing what the Church has to say...

I thought what they had to say was that what Bourbonnais did was more of a problem than a help... Since the only reasonably detailed description of what happened came from Bourbonnais, I can't find much reason to side with the church....

22 posted on 12/17/2007 3:50:04 PM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Balata
Larry was also accosted by a Deacon of the Church on Monday night according to his son-in-law

I just saw that...If that's true, then all the other nasty comments about the church are most likely true also (business etc..)

23 posted on 12/17/2007 3:52:34 PM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: Jeff Head
could also call it couragous

Just to be clear, I do not question the man's courage in the least since he chose to overlook the First Rule and do something rather than just stand there. I guess what I have a problem with is the noisy would-be hero when compared to the quiet real hero archetype (Gary Cooper in "High Noon", Alan Ladd in "Shane", The Lone Ranger - "Who was that masked man?"). Guess I watched too many Westerns, huh?

24 posted on 12/17/2007 3:55:39 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Balata

bump


25 posted on 12/17/2007 4:02:15 PM PST by VOA
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

“Church leadership does not make these sort of decision without going through biblical reasoning, he must have provoked them.”

In a perfect world.


26 posted on 12/17/2007 4:09:43 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
NAU 1 Timothy 5:1 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers,

27 posted on 12/17/2007 4:14:04 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: T-Bird45
I do not know if he has been "noisy" or not. His son-in-law says no, others think whatever interviews he has given have been. I have not seen any of those.

As I said in my initial post, if he is "bragging" and self inflating, that would tend to downplay and cast doubt on his version of events...but I cannot say whether he has or has not been doing that.

If he was dismayed with the lack of action by a guard, and had to take action, unarmed, to try and stop a killer, I can understand how he would be frustrated. Speaking of that out of frsutration, or particularly out of a desire to help make sure it does not happen again, is not being a braggard. I m just not in a position to judge that part oof it at this point.

28 posted on 12/17/2007 4:24:05 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
If he was dismayed with the lack of action by a guard, and had to take action,

Maybe the church leadership is trying to avoid a lawsuit.

29 posted on 12/17/2007 6:46:36 PM PST by jokar (The Church age is the only time we will be able to Glorify God, http://www.gbible.org)
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To: dadgum
Unless there is more to this story than we are being told, the leadership at that church are idiots.

I'm not impressed with a few of their members either. One of them asked me to attend and started talking about my tithing obligations in the next sentence. It seems more like a forgivenes factory than an organization striving to make people better persons.

30 posted on 12/17/2007 6:51:12 PM PST by Loud Mime (Hell on Earth: Clinton here, Putin there)
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To: Balata

Well, I wouldn’t say that either though.

What I mean is that... sometimes the situation is such that you simply can NOT pull out a weapon and start firing. There might be other people in the path of the target, the target may be shielding himself with others, or there might not be a clear shot.

Situational awareness is something that ever person that “MUST ACT” must also be clear of, and it won’t do you any good to step into the line of fire if you can’t use your weapon and stop the perpetrator, and only results in you getting killed, losing your gun or the bad guy getting it.

I guess that was my point.


31 posted on 12/18/2007 7:06:05 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: T-Bird45

I think that running to the sound of gun fire, when you’re unarmed isn’t necessarily the smartest thing to do, but, on the other hand it was heroic in and of itself.

I’ve run TO the sound of gunfire myself unarmed. Not a bright thing to do, but *I* did it to try to prevent whatever was happening from getting to my kids.

NOW I teach people to “Survive First”. Your personal survival is, for the most part, the number one thing you must think about in a dangerous situation. If you’ve got family members, children or loved ones close to you, your job is TO GET THEM TO SAFETY FIRST.

No matter what.

So, while Mr. B might have been doing something heroic, it was also kind of dumb, because apparently the congregation was aware there were armed guards in their midst.


32 posted on 12/18/2007 7:12:15 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: jokar
Maybe the church leadership is trying to avoid a lawsuit.

Or something worse.

33 posted on 12/18/2007 12:07:07 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Jeff Head
and this man apparently is a Vietnam combat vet, could also call it couragous to try and stop a mad killer who has an asault rifle and handgun and beaucuop ammo, by taking him on without one

It's not so mucvh that a year's tour in Vietnam [or similar more recent duty in the sandbox] gives forth the growth of any particular seeds of courage in an individual, so much as they simply provide an instinct to do something at the first sights or sounds of impending danger, when others might freeze.

Our very unofficial motto was Do something, even if it's wrong. And indeed, a small unit that's made the wrong decision under fire may get the chance to cancil it out later when corrective steps are taken or the other guys' bad luck or supply shortages turn things around. But one that just freezes in place while bad things are happening to it goes home in rubber bags or wrapped in ponchos.

34 posted on 12/18/2007 12:16:14 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Hazwaste
The correct response to the other guards' non-response is to find some new guards, not punish the whistle blower.

I'm betting that they're either off-duty or retired cops, who stood by for reasons similar to those exhibited by the responding cops at Columbine who sttod by and let the slaughter continue.

There may be matters of Colorado state law involved, or *uniform* training of local police at the state level. Or maybe it's something in the water.

Those that are traumatized by the shooting and still refuse to take measures to defend themselves will probably take comfort in knowing they're no longer guarded by sheep.

The problem seems to be that the guards who froze- maybe reasonably, maybe not- are in fact still the ones watching over the flock. And one of the few who actually did anything has been ejected for his trouble. It appears that the real reason for the armed guards is to act as the pastor's bodyguards, as was Jeanne Assam, the armed female.

The analogue is the post 09/11 situation when, after the passengers of one hijacked airliner resisted the hijackers with the very limited equipment available to them, and warned the rest of the nation via repoted cell phone/skyPhone calls, the government response was to further disarm passengers and flight deck crew and to forbid carrying cell phones on board.

35 posted on 12/18/2007 12:27:53 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Situational awareness is something that ever person that “MUST ACT” must also be clear of

I hope you ARE aware of what an OODA loop is. You don't sound like it.

36 posted on 12/18/2007 12:29:22 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Balata
Monday morning quarterbacking. What do ya think?

In an armed conflict where I needed an ally, if I had to choose between one Nepalese Gurkha foot soldier armed only with a Kukri knife, or five people picked out of the phone book who each had a gun, I think I would pick the Gurkha.

--John Ross.


37 posted on 12/18/2007 12:37:30 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

Observe, orient, decide and act... Sure, I know. And that was actually my POINT. I said that, please read ALL of my posts if you’re going to be a smart ass. Criticism is one thing, if you’re informed but if you’re reading one thing and making a decision based on the one post, then pretty much you’re making an uninformed decision.


38 posted on 12/18/2007 12:38:32 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: archy

By the way, Archy, situational awareness IS “observation” in case you can’t understand the language clearly. Thought I’d assist you in that definition.


39 posted on 12/18/2007 12:40:58 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: archy
Good point. I have a Kukri knife mounted near my fireplace I broght back from Nepal pre 9/11. It’s a very ominous looking weapon.
40 posted on 12/18/2007 2:08:21 PM PST by Balata
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To: Balata
Good point. I have a Kukri knife mounted near my fireplace I broght back from Nepal pre 9/11. It’s a very ominous looking weapon.

Use it. Live with it. Carry it daily, and find to your amazement what a swell tool and weapon it really is.

The other day in the steak house where one of my kid's pals is a manager, we got the usual flimsy rounded-point, no-edge offerings with our meal. My kid grinned and pulled his folder out of his pocket and popped the blade open with one hand.

I pulled my kukri out, didn't have to *open* it, and had my steak nicely sliced and back in its scabbard almost as a reflex. Naw, kid, THIS is a knife....


41 posted on 12/18/2007 2:19:13 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

LOL! Man, you needed some serious elbow room for that.


42 posted on 12/18/2007 2:25:07 PM PST by Balata
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To: T-Bird45
Guess I watched too many Westerns, huh?

I think so. Some people are introverts, and don't talk. Some people are extroverts, and there is nothing more natural to them than talking about what they've been through. In fact, if they've been through a crisis and you ask them to shut up, it's like smothering their personhood.

43 posted on 12/18/2007 11:30:44 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Church leadership does not make these sort of decision without going through biblical reasoning, he must have provoked them.

Depends on the people involved.

There are many, many places, both in business and in volunteer organizations, where the rule from Dilbert applies:

"Don't step in the leadership."

44 posted on 12/18/2007 11:32:40 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

Speaking of “stepping in it,” I remember Bourbonnais said the first thing he did was yell at Murray and call him a “sh—head.”

He apologized for saying something like that in church. I’m guessing he is somewhat outspoken - I know that everything I knew about the shooting was from the detailed descriptions Bourbonnais gave in interviews right afterwards.

And he unfailingly bragged on Jeanne Assam, over and over. I was quite impressed and glad that someone else witnessed it all so close by. His praise for her was quite admirable.


45 posted on 12/19/2007 12:14:23 AM PST by Rte66
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