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Bush backs nuclear fuel supply to Iran
jpost.com ^ | Dec 17, 2007 21:00 | Updated Dec 17, 2007 23:31 | By JPOST STAFF AND AP

Posted on 12/17/2007 1:58:26 PM PST by F15Eagle

US President George W. Bush said on Monday he supported Russian shipments of nuclear fuel to Iran for civilian power, saying they proved that Teheran has no need to enrich uranium.

"If the Russians are willing to do that, which I support, then the Iranians do not need to learn how to enrich. If the Iranians accept that uranium for a civilian nuclear power plant, then there's no need for them to learn how to enrich," Bush said

Iran received the first shipment of nuclear fuel from Russia on Monday for its Bushehr reactor, the official Iranian news agency IRNA reported.

Russia has been assisting the Iranians in the construction of the nuclear power plant.

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"Help I'm stepping into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far"

Sorry, song popped into my head when I read the headline ...
1 posted on 12/17/2007 1:58:27 PM PST by F15Eagle
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To: Alouette; Salem; SJackson; 444Flyer; Esther Ruth; Cindy; Travis McGee; blam; Diogenesis; Yehuda; ...

fyi


2 posted on 12/17/2007 1:59:26 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: American in Israel; EternalVigilance

fyi, too


3 posted on 12/17/2007 2:03:02 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle

Is George one of Hillary’s regular people?


4 posted on 12/17/2007 2:04:33 PM PST by boomop1
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To: F15Eagle
Yah'shua come soon !!

5 posted on 12/17/2007 2:04:54 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

He’d better. There’s a lot of weird stuff going on. 2008 will be quite the year, I do believe ...


6 posted on 12/17/2007 2:07:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle

Peace in our time...

/s


7 posted on 12/17/2007 2:10:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Trust in God but empty the clip." - cornfedcowboy)
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To: F15Eagle

Calling Iran’s bluff regarding its “civilian” nuclear program?

If this is a game of Texas Hold’em, then what cards is Bush holding, and does he have insight into the cards face down on the table...???

And if he’s gambling that Iran will make a fool of themselves, then he’s probably not too far off, but is he betting that the MSM will choose our side when the cards are down, because if he is, regardless of what Iran does, the end result is that the MSM will make the West look like big, bad imperialists.

Sometimes I think Bush misunderstands that the press is on the side of our enemies to the extent that the assumption must always be that we can beat the enemies’ forces into dust, and still lose the war of perception.


8 posted on 12/17/2007 2:13:59 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: F15Eagle
US President George W. Bush said on Monday he supported Russian shipments of nuclear fuel to Iran for civilian power, saying they proved that Teheran has no need to enrich uranium.

He seriously believes Ahmadinejad will use nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes?? Let's just feed the beast, shall we? /s
9 posted on 12/17/2007 2:14:38 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: F15Eagle

Can the Iranians take this Russian fuel and enrich it into bomb grade material?

If they can then Bush has completely lost his mind.


10 posted on 12/17/2007 2:14:41 PM PST by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: navyguy
Can the Iranians take this Russian fuel and enrich it into bomb grade material?

Not easily. If Iran had a breeder reactor they could end up with plutonium, but they don't.

11 posted on 12/17/2007 2:16:39 PM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: F15Eagle
"Bush backs nuclear fuel supply to Iran"

Here's the current Bush Iran policy summarized:

For simplicity, also refer to this image to understand latest Israeli/Pali policy.

12 posted on 12/17/2007 2:18:17 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: coconutt2000; G8 Diplomat; navyguy

My immediate fear is a transfer to Syrian-backed Hezbollah, a dirty bomb built by suicide-wannabe’s who couldn’t care less about being irradiated for “allah” and then such transported to Tel Aviv or Haifa ...

When you have a country with a fruitcake Hitler-wannabe at the helm that wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, endorsing nuclear fuel to the madman, from any source, seems pretty cut-and-dried what the result will be.


13 posted on 12/17/2007 2:18:30 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: JewishRighter

definitely rather a bizarre headline to read today.


14 posted on 12/17/2007 2:19:50 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: coconutt2000
Calling Iran’s bluff regarding its “civilian” nuclear program?

That's my take. Pretty good move, diplomatically and otherwise.

15 posted on 12/17/2007 2:20:15 PM PST by r9etb
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To: G8 Diplomat
He seriously believes Ahmadinejad will use nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes??

Probably just the opposite. The point is, if Iran refuses and continues to enrich on their own, then their "civilian purposes" canard is exposed.

16 posted on 12/17/2007 2:21:25 PM PST by r9etb
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To: navyguy
Can the Iranians take this Russian fuel and enrich it into bomb grade material? If they can then Bush has completely lost his mind.

They can enrich right now -- that's what all those centrifuges are for.

They claim they're enriching in order to create a civilian power generation capability. If Russia gives them the already-enriched fuel, then Iran has no "civilian" excuse for continuing to operate their centrifuges.

And thus, if they do continue, it's because they're interested in something other than electrical power. And if they refuse Russia's offer, then there is no way they can credibly deny the accusations of nefarious intent.

Either way, it puts Iran in the position of giving up on their ambitions for a bomb; or it makes clear that their denials to date have been false. Either way, it rachets up the pressure on them.

It's a clever move.

17 posted on 12/17/2007 2:26:11 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

That would make a war a necessity, no?

(which it virtually is anyways - if Iran continues it’s mullah-driven ways)


18 posted on 12/17/2007 2:26:49 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle; All
OK. Show of hands: how many think the Iranians only plan to use the uranium for peaceful purposes?

I don't see any hands. Thought so.

19 posted on 12/17/2007 2:28:25 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: JewishRighter

agreed


20 posted on 12/17/2007 2:29:28 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: r9etb

Calling Iran’s bluff regarding its “civilian” nuclear program?
That’s my take. Pretty good move, diplomatically and otherwise.

Please explain. How would this work? After Iran actually develops the bomb, the next president gets to say: “Hah! I told you they wuz workin’ on a bomb!” What exactly would we do then. Seems the bluff is like Russian roullette with a bullet in every chamber.


21 posted on 12/17/2007 2:30:52 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: F15Eagle
That would make a war a necessity, no?

Perhaps .... there are possibly ways short of war. Ahneedajihad's got some exceedingly nasty domestic problems to deal with, and one suspects that it wouldn't be all that hard to foment some meaningful internal unrest.

Of course, that route could lead to some very unpredictable results. A war is probably a lot more predictable in terms of what will happen "after."

22 posted on 12/17/2007 2:32:12 PM PST by r9etb
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To: JewishRighter
OK. Show of hands: how many think the Iranians only plan to use the uranium for peaceful purposes?

I don't see any hands. Thought so.

Hands down!

23 posted on 12/17/2007 2:34:46 PM PST by tlj18 (Mike Huckabee is nonsense on stilts.)
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To: navyguy

Let us help the islamo facists kill us sooner! Nice move there GW, This election can’t come sooner!


24 posted on 12/17/2007 2:35:20 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: JewishRighter
Please explain. How would this work? After Iran actually develops the bomb....

You skipped a few steps, which leaves you without options. We're not there yet.

I seriously doubt that anybody -- Bush especially -- has any doubt about Iran's real goals. The question is, how do you deal with those goals given the current state of play?

IF Iran accepts Russia's offer, and actually stops their enrichment program, the game is over.

Any step that has them continuing to enrich, is a tell-tale for military intent, which argues for action against Iran.

That's what this move is intended to expose.

25 posted on 12/17/2007 2:35:30 PM PST by r9etb
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To: F15Eagle

Wasn’t this Kerry’s plan in 2004?


26 posted on 12/17/2007 2:36:04 PM PST by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: r9etb
Iran could claim (correctly) that they want to evolve away from having to depend on Russia or anyone else for their nuclear fuel. However, we all know that's not the whole story.

And it's a good move by Bush.

27 posted on 12/17/2007 2:37:10 PM PST by tlj18 (Mike Huckabee is nonsense on stilts.)
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To: F15Eagle

If we take this and add it to the latest intelligence report...something’s up. Why the sudden “180” on Iran policy?


28 posted on 12/17/2007 2:42:57 PM PST by ryan71
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29 posted on 12/17/2007 2:51:07 PM PST by SJackson (If she'd lived, Kopechne would be 62..Ted Kennedy would have brought comfort to her in her old age)
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To: F15Eagle

i guess this will be misunderstood by most people of lower IQ’s.....if they import the stuff that is power plant grade, they do not need centrifuges to enrich the raw stuff...if they continue to buy, build, and run said centrifuges, it would be considered very close to an act of war.....ball is in their court, next move will be by at least 3 carrier groups...


30 posted on 12/17/2007 3:00:05 PM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: r9etb
Any step that has them continuing to enrich, is a tell-tale for military intent, which argues for action against Iran.

I think you're leaving out the prospect that, with the uranium in hand, they can go forward with an enrichment program and, here's the shocking part, NOT TELL ANYONE.

31 posted on 12/17/2007 3:05:38 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: All
I told you all as to what is going on. And yes, Iran can use that light water plant to build nukes. It's one approach among several that Iran is taking.
32 posted on 12/17/2007 3:28:07 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: JewishRighter
I think you're leaving out the prospect that, with the uranium in hand, they can go forward with an enrichment program and, here's the shocking part, NOT TELL ANYONE. Even if that's the case and our spies are too inept to discover what's going on (thanks to the Clinton administration), maybe the Israili Masaad will let us know.
33 posted on 12/17/2007 3:31:28 PM PST by Mogollon
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To: F15Eagle
Why, are we supposed to trust the Russians to only ship civilian grade material?

I know that Dubya, looked into to Putins eyes, but I'm a "ole" Reagan guy.....wheres the trust but verify?

Please tell me its not the IAEA and El Bearida ( sp)

34 posted on 12/17/2007 3:42:07 PM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Mogollon
"Even if that's the case and our spies are too inept to discover what's going on (thanks to the Clinton administration), maybe the Israili Masaad will let us know."

You make a good point. However, if the Israeli Mosad is letting our spies know, how come they're getting it so wrong?

35 posted on 12/17/2007 5:00:51 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: F15Eagle

In the Mullahs you trust?


36 posted on 12/17/2007 5:03:48 PM PST by gpapa
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To: F15Eagle

bookmark


37 posted on 12/17/2007 5:04:35 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: JewishRighter
"OK. Show of hands: how many think the Iranians only plan to use the uranium for peaceful purposes?"



/sarc
38 posted on 12/17/2007 5:06:50 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: F15Eagle; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; Slings and Arrows; judicial meanz; ...
A client I discourse with extensively on foreign affairs, and my Mom, have been pestering me to read New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman's "The World Is Flat" ever since it was published. I finally did, when my Mom gave me hers Thanksgiving Day. It was ... interesting. Outside of knowing well Friedman's loony, deluded happy-talk and the realization that this man—representing progressive liberalism's global "community" ideas—has such massive influence with the global elite, was very disturbing. Nonetheless, it was revealing the massive economic and political pressure that the U.S. government is operating under today, in contending with the rest of the world.

Some of the posters on this thread are wargaming Bush and second guessing his intentions. I think with the current state of the U.S. economy, the weak dollar, and the economic vulnerabilities we are dealing with because of the massive trade imbalance with China, along with our energy dependence, the Administration planners are re-evaluating the repercussions of overt action against Iran—and by proxy, Russia—at this time.

As you have all read recently, Israel has taken note of that.

Christians, specifically, are taught "... that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty...." [I Tim. 2:1-2]

Today, more that ever before, it is critical we engage in this in behalf of our fallible, fickle leaders. They are mere men, dealing with events and trends which can have catastrophic results for us, Israel, and the rest of the world.

Pray for President Bush at Free Republic!






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39 posted on 12/17/2007 6:20:42 PM PST by Salem (What can men do against such reckless hate? ... Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them!)
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To: F15Eagle
I totally trust the Russians and Iranians...

:o

40 posted on 12/17/2007 6:25:28 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: EternalVigilance
Peace in our time...

Yeah we're planning out next vacation to Tehran..We'll be flying in on El Al...I'm personally looking forward to going to the Llama races.

41 posted on 12/17/2007 6:31:26 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: navyguy
The answer is absolutely NOT. It is against Physics. I think some of us need to read the article before they go crazy on President Bush, I did not mean you in case navyguy. The President is telling the terrorist regime in Iran since you accepted non nuclear grade fuel then you must stop enriching uranium which can be used for nuclear weapons, exactly what he has been saying all along.
42 posted on 12/17/2007 6:33:33 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

non nuclear grade = non nuclear weapon grade.


43 posted on 12/17/2007 6:37:01 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Salem
"I think with the current state of the U.S. economy, the weak dollar, and the economic vulnerabilities we are dealing with because of the massive trade imbalance with China, along with our energy dependence, the Administration planners are re-evaluating the repercussions of overt action against Iran—and by proxy, Russia—at this time."

The high dollar in this global economy is the reason for the trade deficit and for our leadership's green light to Iran's nuclear buildup and subsequent proliferation to its friends. ...the relatively high dollar and the fears of higher oil prices. We won't take a chance on rationing oil, even to save us from a near-future, worldwide nuclear exchange.

Besides, only Israel is threatened by the nuclear buildup, according to the propaganda...er, media releases sponsored by leaders of our import economy.


44 posted on 12/17/2007 6:48:08 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: JewishRighter
"OK. Show of hands: how many think the Iranians only plan to use the uranium for peaceful purposes?"

[Importers and merchants, considering higher oil and subsequently higher freight fuel prices along with a lower dollar, go into their closets and raise their hands.]


45 posted on 12/17/2007 6:55:30 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: F15Eagle

The guy has officially gone Woody.


46 posted on 12/17/2007 6:56:00 PM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Rev 13:16-18,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: XeniaSt; All

He is at the door! (How do you say Wahooooooooooooo!!! in Hebrew?)

Seriously, His return is upon us. Do not fall into the end time deception which is occuring now (2 Thessalonians 2:11). Is everyone ready for Him?

Shalom b’Shem Yah’shua


47 posted on 12/17/2007 7:03:50 PM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Rev 13:16-18,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: F15Eagle
Is December 17, 2007 the "Day the Bush Doctrine Died"?

Today we...

1. Approved of the transfer of nuclear fuel to the biggest sponsor of terrorism on the planet,

2. Offered $555 million in funding to the Palestinian Terror Authority

48 posted on 12/17/2007 7:10:22 PM PST by montag813
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To: Salem

Prayers are up for our leaders, however, when a government turns to this type of wickedness we are to expose it (Ephesians 5:11-12).


49 posted on 12/17/2007 7:10:35 PM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Rev 13:16-18,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: Kakaze
Why, are we supposed to trust the Russians to only ship civilian grade material?

Because MAD worked for the Russians -- they're cold and calculating, but they're not stupid. Look at how many Islamic countries/regions are either on or inside their borders, and you'll see why Russia wouldn't do something that stupid.

50 posted on 12/17/2007 7:56:47 PM PST by r9etb
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