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Tancredo Scuttle (Tom Tancredo drops out tomorrow, endorsement up-in-the-air)
The Atlantic ^ | December 19, 2007 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 12/19/2007 1:18:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The scuttle is:

Rep. Tom Tancredo will drop out of the presidential race tomorrow and endorse either Mitt Romney or Fred Thompson.... neither of those candidates know who, just yet.

But the scuttle is probably wrong. Tancredo has been critical of all his opponents, and, given his issue's saliency, he does not need to endorse. His party sounds like him, now, on immigration.

(Excerpt) Read more at marcambinder.theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado; US: Iowa; US: Massachusetts; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; aliens; electionpresident; elections; endorsements; fredthompson; gop; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; mittromney; republicans; tancredo; tomtancredo
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So it begins... I think Marc meant "scuttlebutt" not "scuttle" or am I not privy to a new word?
1 posted on 12/19/2007 1:18:10 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He should endorse the honest one - Hunter.


2 posted on 12/19/2007 1:19:21 PM PST by chopperman
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To: chopperman

I like Congressman Hunter, but that would be wasting his endorsement.


3 posted on 12/19/2007 1:20:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The grammar needs some work, too ...
... neither of those candidates know knows who, just yet.

4 posted on 12/19/2007 1:20:55 PM PST by eastsider
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I like Congressman Hunter, but that would be wasting his endorsement."

If he endorses Hunter, then if Hunter loses, he can endorse someone else, and how would that be wasting his endorsement?

5 posted on 12/19/2007 1:21:31 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Tancredo's friend and fellow anti-illegal advocate Rep. Steve King endorsed Thompson.

Tancredo will likely do the same.

6 posted on 12/19/2007 1:23:16 PM PST by JohnnyZ (victim victim Mitt victim victim Romneyvictim victim victim so persecuted, poor me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He will endorse, but perhaps not right away.


7 posted on 12/19/2007 1:23:34 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Fred Thompson's Federalism is right on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d imagine Tancredo will endorse Thompson. Romney, I’d imagine, is a bit to soft on immigration for Tancredo’s liking.


8 posted on 12/19/2007 1:25:43 PM PST by jaredt112
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Along with Hunter, Tancredo is THE actual "consistent conservative" (to steal Fred Thompson's catch phrase) in the race, and either one of them would be my first choice. I've been favoring Tancredo since Hunter's campaign seems to be more non-existent than even Tancredo's.

I managed to catch Fred Thompson in Cedar Rapids this morning. Even got to hear him explain his (continuing) belief in (most of) McCain-Feingold. I must admit, his justification was pretty good.

If Tancredo withdraws, Fred Thompson has my vote.

9 posted on 12/19/2007 1:26:19 PM PST by newgeezer (In a perfect world, Amendment XIX would still be someone's stupid idea.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can you waste something of little or no value?


10 posted on 12/19/2007 1:27:01 PM PST by ASA Vet (Does Hillary share Huma with Bill?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments (1)

Hate to all Safire on you, but its scuttlebutt, which refers to a barrel of water that served on an 18th-century sea-going ship as both ballast and a source of fresh water for the crew. From which the term descends to a reference to a water fountain or water cooler, around which gossip may be exchanged.


11 posted on 12/19/2007 1:27:18 PM PST by samtheman
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To: newgeezer

I’ll vote for Thompson if Hunter becomes his running mate.


12 posted on 12/19/2007 1:27:35 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A couple threads on this already...

Tancredo to get out?

Tancredo to make "major announcement" Thursday on GOP bid (dropping out?)

Bet's are on a concession announcement. No consensus on any endorsement.

13 posted on 12/19/2007 1:27:58 PM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will he take the other one-percenters with him....?


14 posted on 12/19/2007 1:28:04 PM PST by dakine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tancredo — I want to thank you for getting into the race. I helped you get there because we needed illegal immigration to stop being the elephant in the middle of the debate that no one mentioned. Thanks in part to you, it has been a very important part of the campaign.

Please throw your support to Thompson. I do not believe he will ever let you down. I am hoping and praying that if he is our nominee he will choose Hunter as his veep.


15 posted on 12/19/2007 1:29:33 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just thinking here...

He’s been in the race for so long now it seems only right for him to stick it out thru Iowa and New Hampshire.

Unless he’s doing it now so he can have some leverage in determining who’ll win both states.


16 posted on 12/19/2007 1:29:53 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TOM-TOM GONE.......We hardly knew ye..........


17 posted on 12/19/2007 1:30:56 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
‘His party sounds like him, now, on immigration.’

Whatever. I’ll believe it when I see. Post 08’ election, if the Repubs win, look for Amnesty round 2.

18 posted on 12/19/2007 1:32:22 PM PST by BGHater (If Guns Cause Crime Then Matches Cause Arson?)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I’ll vote for Thompson if Hunter becomes his running mate.

Now that you mention it, as I sat listening to Thompson this morning, I remembered his health history and wondered who he would pick for veep.

19 posted on 12/19/2007 1:35:45 PM PST by newgeezer (In a perfect world, Amendment XIX would still be someone's stupid idea.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I’ll vote for Thompson if Hunter becomes his running mate.

That is the ticket I want to see, or Thompson/Tancrado would work too

20 posted on 12/19/2007 1:46:13 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx
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To: bcsco

Its probably the last day before Christmas that you can make any big news that people will pay attention to.


21 posted on 12/19/2007 1:46:59 PM PST by Nextrush (Uncommitted for GOP President, but not Ron Paul or John McCain.)
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To: newgeezer

What did he say about McCain-Feingold?


22 posted on 12/19/2007 1:47:05 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Yaelle

And, in a stunning turn of events, Tancredo joins the founder of the Minuteman in endorsing Huckabee ...... :)


23 posted on 12/19/2007 1:52:13 PM PST by wastedpotential
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To scuttle is to intentionally self-sink a boat, so it may be an appropriate use.


24 posted on 12/19/2007 1:53:45 PM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

“I’ll vote for Thompson if Hunter becomes his running mate.”

Impossible. Surely you have heard of balancing the ticket? Thompson will be thought of as quite conservative by the majority of the electorate. Did Reagan pick a conservative for VP? No, he did not, he picked a Rockyfeller Republican.

Bush II ran as a compassionate (moderate) conservative, and picked a strong conserative with a lot of experience to balance his lack of same.

Rudy, Romney or Huckabee would pick a guy like Hunter. Fred would probably look for a candidate who could bring in a big state, and be seen as moderate.

Hunter will be up for a top cabinet position.

Yes, I know, you don’t like any of this at all.


25 posted on 12/19/2007 1:54:40 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Fred Thompson's Federalism is right on.)
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To: Nextrush
Its probably the last day before Christmas that you can make any big news that people will pay attention to.

And that means the Christmas holiday to talk things over with family and friends. Good point.

26 posted on 12/19/2007 1:54:42 PM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he endorses Flip Romney, I’ll lose every ounce of respect I currently have for the man.


27 posted on 12/19/2007 1:56:46 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: YellowRoseofTx

Be nice to see both Tancredo and Hunter drop out and support Thompson with the idea that Tancredo will be in charge of INS and Hunter in charge of Homeland Security/fence building.
(P.S. I’ve been a Hunter supporter and am not really happy with ANY of the others)


28 posted on 12/19/2007 2:01:01 PM PST by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I’ll vote for Thompson if Hunter becomes his running mate.

Otherwise we'll put you down for Hillary.

Oh and thanks for the last congressional election, too!

Say what you want, at least you're not a pragmatist.
29 posted on 12/19/2007 2:03:18 PM PST by teledude
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To: SaxxonWoods

People also don’t pick running mates that can’t deliver their home state, at least. Hunter obviously can’t.

People need to forget their Hunter-VP fantasies.


30 posted on 12/19/2007 2:03:44 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: wastedpotential
And, in a stunning turn of events, Tancredo joins the founder of the Minuteman in endorsing Huckabee ...... :)

You don't think he'll follow Pat Robertson's lead and endorse Rude-de.

31 posted on 12/19/2007 2:04:03 PM PST by PAR35
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What does the endorsement matter? It’s not like he’s got a vast army of supporters.


32 posted on 12/19/2007 2:04:44 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Strategerist

People need to forget their Hunter-VP fantasies.

Agreed. Those fantasies are the fallback postion from their original hopes for Hunter. At least they are headed in the right direction (down-ticket).


33 posted on 12/19/2007 2:08:06 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Fred Thompson's Federalism is right on.)
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To: jaredt112

Probably so. And I doubt Romney feels he needs this particular endorsement, although I’m certain he wouldn’t mind having it.

On the other hand, Tancredo and Romney do share a common thread on illegal immigration, as they both were attacked by the liberal media for hiring companies that sent illegal workers to their houses.


34 posted on 12/19/2007 2:09:03 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MplsSteve
“Unless he’s doing it now so he can have some leverage in determining who’ll win both states.”

My guess he will endorse Fred just like his Buddy in Iowa, Steve King.

I’ll bet Tanc was pissed when Gilchrist endorsed Huckabilly and would like to knock some wind out of those sails.

It would be a politically smart move for Tank at this point.

35 posted on 12/19/2007 2:10:29 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Antoninus

I don’t think he will, but I wish he would just so I could watch the mitt-haters all tell me how liberal and a sellout he is.


36 posted on 12/19/2007 2:10:40 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Strategerist

Well, Bush wasn’t really worried about picking up Wyoming when he added Cheney to the ticket.

Thompson would be the kind of guy that might pick the best person, not the expedient one.

But that might not be any of the current candidates.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 2:11:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Strategerist

BTW, since Thompson really likes McCain, I wouldn’t rule out a Thompson/McCain ticket. And I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that McCain wouldn’t go ahead and serve as VP for his good friend — I don’t think McCain would do so for anybody else.


38 posted on 12/19/2007 2:12:38 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: colorado tanker

But he has a few very strong and involved supporters, and that might help Thompson because Thompson did come late to the game.

But he doesn’t help Thompson on the ISSUE, because Thompson is already considered a reasonable choice for immigration. So he probably would help Romney more in that regard — even though he wouldn’t bring anything organizationally that Romney could use.


39 posted on 12/19/2007 2:13:56 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: samtheman; LinnKeyes2000; Democrat_media
What did he say about McCain-Feingold?

I'll try to summarize his lengthy answer as best I can.

Basically, he said most of us agree there must be *some* limits on campaign contributions to candidates ("even Barry Goldwater was for that"). But, the traditional $1000 per person per candidate was too low; it favored incumbents because it made it very hard for a challenger to get any traction.

Meanwhile, soft contributions were just a back door way of corrupting the system. So, he used McCain-Feingold to increase the per-person contribution limit while at the same time fixing much of what was wrong with soft money.

He also said in retrospect, the limits on advertising were the wrong thing to do and should not have been in the bill.

I'm sure I didn't do justice to his reasoning. LinnKeyes2000 was there, too; hopefully, he'll see this and can do better.

40 posted on 12/19/2007 2:17:56 PM PST by newgeezer (In a perfect world, Amendment XIX would still be someone's stupid idea.)
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To: All

A retiring Congressman does not usually endorse until the writing is clear on the wall and the nomination is in hand. Then he endorses and hopes for a job offer if the nominee wins.


41 posted on 12/19/2007 2:19:25 PM PST by Owen
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To: SaxxonWoods

The biggest states are irredeemably Blue.

Unless you think Rudy as Veep could bring in NY ?

The only national figures from CA are Arnold who is ineligible and Hunter who doesn’t balance the ticket according to your view.

What does that leave ?

FL has Jeb, but a Bush on the ticket would turn away independents.

TX ? Maybe Ron Paul as Veep ?


42 posted on 12/19/2007 2:28:57 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789

Hi Kellis91789.

Agreed on the biggest states. Rudy won’t take the Veep position, his ego is too big. Who is this Ron Paul you mention? Does he have a last name?

I don’t have a sense of who Fred would tap for VP. But it won’t be someone just like himself. Reagan balanced his ticket geographically, politically and experience-wise. Bush I was an excellent VP choice for Reagan.

I imagine Fred would do something similar.


43 posted on 12/19/2007 2:40:49 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Fred Thompson's Federalism is right on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It doesn’t matter to me. If someone I support drops out...that candidate doesn’t own me. I’ll decide for myself who to switch my support to.


44 posted on 12/19/2007 2:44:30 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Strategerist

VP? Not hardly. If I’m going with the long shot , it’s going to be for first place.


45 posted on 12/19/2007 2:47:20 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

like the highly valued brownback endorsement?


46 posted on 12/19/2007 2:49:13 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Well, Bush wasn’t really worried about picking up Wyoming when he added Cheney to the ticket.”

Correct, Cheney was picked to add experience, and to balance George’s “compassionate” (moderate) conservatism. In the Republican party, a moderate presidential candidate picks a conserative VP (Quayle, Cheney) while a conservative candidate picks a moderate (Bush I, picked by Reagan). People have forgotten that Bush didn’t run as a strong conservative, which explains why they are so upset when he takes moderate positions. They created a Bush in their minds that was a fantasy.


47 posted on 12/19/2007 2:50:42 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Fred Thompson's Federalism is right on.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I don’t think he will, but I wish he would just so I could watch the mitt-haters all tell me how liberal and a sellout he is.

I don't think the Flip Romney lovers are liberal and sellouts. I just think they're dupes who are easily led by a slick con man. If Tanc endorses Flip, he'll fit into that category as well.
48 posted on 12/19/2007 3:23:27 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: samtheman

You might want to send that to the author, Abminder at Atlantic.


49 posted on 12/19/2007 3:36:01 PM PST by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s about time some of these minor leaguers dropped out and left the race to the frontrunners.


50 posted on 12/19/2007 3:36:16 PM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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