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Congress bans incandescent bulbs
WorldNetDaily ^ | December 19, 2007` | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 12/19/2007 5:40:50 PM PST by kc8ukw

In addition to raising auto fuel efficiency standards 40 percent, an energy bill passed by Congress yesterday bans the incandescent light bulb by 2014.

President Bush signed the 822-page measure into law today after it was sent up Pennsylvania Avenue in a Toyota Prius hybrid vehicle. The House passed the bill by a 314-100 vote after approval by the Senate last week.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; bulbs; carboncult; cfl; congress; congressdumbbulbs; democrats; dimbulbs; elections; energy; greenreligion; incandescent; lightbulb; lightbulbs; nannystate; startstockingup; stuckonstupid
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Buy more ammo

How to get around the 2nd Amendment: Ban Ammo.

301 posted on 12/19/2007 9:38:56 PM PST by Loud Mime (Merry Christmas! When you hear "holidays," emphasize the CHRISTmas in return!)
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To: TheLion

See post 269 & 281


302 posted on 12/19/2007 9:41:47 PM PST by rb22982
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To: Viking2002
I'm all for any technology advancing, but this is is nothing more than jack-booted authoritarian horseshit. Any time these sub-simian cretins find a way to stick their beaks into the essence of our existence, they do it. I have seen nothing under Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution that authorizes these bottom-feeders to ban Jack Squat.

BINGO

Wake up, Sheeple, Contact your reps NOW -

Get these links out to RUSH -

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http://ellsworthmaine.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7446&Itemid=31 .

http://www.maine.gov/dep/rwm/homeowner/fluorescent.htm.

And remind your reps and RUSH that millions of these bulbs will NOT be taken to hazardous waste stations but tossed into regular trash - resulting in mercury contamination of every landfill in the country

Time for a tea party, folks

303 posted on 12/19/2007 9:43:19 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Petronski
It won’t stand. It will be undone or modified, God willing.

"God helps them what helps themselves"

He gave us a free country with RIGHTS - it's up to the "us" in the US to keep them

304 posted on 12/19/2007 9:45:53 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7

Mandating it is stupid—I agree—but you are way off base on the ‘dangers’ of CFLs, especially since by the end of the year, new bulbs coming out will have about 1 / 200th of that of an old thermometer and will reduce more mercury from coal plants than has in them. I’ve also posted 2 stories (and can provide dozens more if you want) that show that story in Maine is bunk.


305 posted on 12/19/2007 9:47:11 PM PST by rb22982
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To: kc8ukw

Just wait until the old people who aren’t paying attention to this go out and try to by a light bulb on January 1, 2014. This is going to lead to a major firestorm before it’s all done.


306 posted on 12/19/2007 9:47:23 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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To: muawiyah

Hell, my wife insisted on picking one of those out and it can hardly clean sand off a plastic dinner plate if you put it in it...


307 posted on 12/19/2007 9:50:59 PM PST by Axenolith (Subduction leads to Orogeny...)
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To: rb22982
that story in Maine is bunk.

read this 'bunk"

especially the detailed instructions on what to do if y ou break one

http://www.maine.gov/dep/rwm/homeowner/fluorescent.htm

308 posted on 12/19/2007 9:54:14 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: devere; Ann Archy
According to news stories, GE was the only big company who opposed the law, on grounds of consumer sovereignty. Maybe they’re smart enough to smell the backlash coming.

Thanks for the info. I had not heard that.

309 posted on 12/19/2007 9:55:07 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: rb22982
LEDs, once the price drops, will be far better.

But will they be any good in light fixtures that only accept 60 watts? because the next step is already in the process - mandating light fixtures/lamps that can only take up to 60 watts

310 posted on 12/19/2007 10:00:05 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: girlangler

Does flourescent gas hurt the ozone ?

The prius does not get that great gas mileage in the real world and the prius heater does not work when in the ‘pc’ electric mode.

And...

idiot politicans.


311 posted on 12/19/2007 10:02:39 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SpaceBar
  Any delusional souls out there that still believe we live in a free country?

My thoughts exactly. THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF "FREEDOM" IN AMERICA IS DEAD.
312 posted on 12/19/2007 10:03:41 PM PST by Mike-o-Matic
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To: rb22982
this is the STATES mandate on how to dispose of these bulbs = when this was revealed in the Ellsworth American story, they denied it to cover butt - but here is the proof in the pudding. Particularly read the instructions under "What if I accidentally break a fluorescent bulb in my home?"

http://www.maine.gov/dep/rwm/homeowner/fluorescent.htm

So who lied?

313 posted on 12/19/2007 10:06:17 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: rb22982
Sigh, see post 269

see post 313


314 posted on 12/19/2007 10:10:09 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: rb22982
refute the state of Maine's OWN SITE particularly the part where they tell you what to do if you break one -

http://www.maine.gov/dep/rwm/homeowner/fluorescent.htm

and I very much doubt this was made up by Maine - but what the national rules are on this -

315 posted on 12/19/2007 10:14:00 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: kc8ukw
“President Bush signed the 822-page measure into law today after it was sent up Pennsylvania Avenue in a Toyota Prius hybrid vehicle.”

Perfect example of industry helping to spread a lie in order to sell their product. Just like Dupont and fluorocarbons damaging the Ozone.

316 posted on 12/19/2007 10:16:23 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: rb22982
http://www.maine.gov/dep/rwm/homeowner/fluorescent.htm

REad post 313

BTW, I live here - I'm in the newspaper business here - I might have a little more info on it - just maybe.,

But read here what the State's rules are on what to do if you break one - and don't think this isn't already in your state or will be...

http://www.maine.gov/dep/rwm/homeowner/fluorescent.htm

317 posted on 12/19/2007 10:17:36 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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Who here has read, or even seen, Subtitle B of the Energy Independence and Security Act? It's not a blanket ban on incandescent lights. It establishes efficiency requirements for general service lamps, while excluding 22 other categories of lights. The light in your oven or fridge? It's safe. The infrared lamp you use to keep your herps toasty? It's safe. The bug light that zaps your skeeters? Safe. Your "plant lights?" Safe, but the DEA wants to have a word with you. The spotlight you've got focused on the painting of grandma? They're not gonna touch it. The 3-way in your living room? It's safe. Anything under ~35 watts or over ~150 watts? Safe.

There's more details in the bill; the one I like best is a clause through which certain excluded bulb types fall under a stricter regulatory regime if they exceed DOE-modeled sales for one year. So if you all do as you're threatening and start buying incandescents by the truckload, you're just going to increase the scope of the regulation and make it harder for those of us who don't hoard light bulbs.

318 posted on 12/19/2007 10:20:41 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Ann Archy
“MERCURY in them and have to be DISPOSED of ONLY”

I just drove 18 miles round-trip to dispose of 10 fluorescent tubes at the haz waste facility. I have two more trips to go before I get rid of my many years of tubes. (They only take 10 per day per person!) 18 miles ~ 1 gallon of gas at $3.16/gal plus the time and aggravation. (Especially when I know most folks just toss them in the garbage anyway - which is probably fine too as they end up in a sealed landfill).

319 posted on 12/19/2007 10:30:39 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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To: television is just wrong
  Guess we are all reverting back to candles and fireplaces for warmth and light.

Are you kidding me??!? You know what kind of soot and particulates those things give off? They'll be banned too, before you know it.
320 posted on 12/19/2007 10:33:54 PM PST by Mike-o-Matic
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To: Caesar Soze
Anything under ~35 watts or over ~150 watts? Safe.

Well, I have 35 90W PAR38 recessed lights on dimmers. That means I have to buy a 30 year supply of light bulbs since the other technologies (CLR or LED) do not support dimmers. I have two not on dimmers which I can replace with CLRs, but I will have to buy about 200 of the PAR 38s to last me another 30 years.
321 posted on 12/19/2007 10:35:41 PM PST by microgood
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To: kc8ukw

I’m still wondering about the UV rays emitted. On GE’s website, they assure prospective buyers that,

“regular fluorescent bulbs used in your home or office do not produce a hazardous amount of UV. Most light sources, including fluorescent bulbs, emit a small amount of UV, but the UV produced by fluorescent light bulbs is far less than the amount produced by natural daylight.”

Excuse me while I don’t trust my genetic and ocular health to the GE marketing department, but I’m not so sure that 40 years of many hours a day of exposure won’t cause problems.


322 posted on 12/19/2007 10:51:00 PM PST by mbs6
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To: maine-iac7
From the link you graciously provided (my favorite part is the drop cloth you put down when you're installing a new bulb)

What if I accidentally break a fluorescent bulb in my home?

fluorescent bulbs

The most important thing to remember is to never use a vacuum . A standard vacuum will spread mercury containing dust throughout the area as well as potentially contaminating the vacuum. What you should do is:

The next time you replace a bulb, consider putting a drop cloth on the floor so that any accidental breakage can be easily cleaned up.

323 posted on 12/19/2007 10:51:52 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Caesar Soze
So if you all do as you're threatening and start buying incandescents by the truckload, you're just going to increase the scope of the regulation and make it harder for those of us who don't hoard light bulbs.

A false inference, it would appear! Note that this could only apply to the hoarding of "certain excluded bulb types". So the clause is aimed at a post-ban shift in buying habits. The common light-bulb will not be available for purchase in this regime.

324 posted on 12/19/2007 11:02:44 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: kc8ukw

On my list of things to do:

buy a ton of 40w bulbs.

I’m thinkin’ that I’m going to buy the store blind.

Yep, I’m talkin’ ‘bout those fixtures having multiple sockets. I can’t tell you how long there’s been a mere 60w bulb in one of three sockets.

In fact: I’ll buy the store stupid of all its 20w bulbs.

You’ll see...


325 posted on 12/19/2007 11:20:47 PM PST by raygun ("It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone to believe anything upon insufficient evidence")
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To: girlangler
"Well, I’m not a financial investment expert by any means, but I’m going to town tomorrow and buying up all the politically incorrect (and illegal) light bulbs I can buy, cause I hate those other ones"

Me too. I despise the light they produce, and hate to read by fluorecent lights. I can live with halogen. Once again, I can't believe how we are FORCED to obey.

326 posted on 12/20/2007 12:22:18 AM PST by boop (Who doesn't love poison pot pies?)
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To: rb22982
"Don’t think so. It takes about 100 CFLs to equal the amount of mercury of ONE old thermometer. The world didn’t from that, and it won’t from this"

Right, but they just evacuated a school and sent in a hazmat team because some science lab broke a mercury thermometer.

327 posted on 12/20/2007 12:33:37 AM PST by boop (Who doesn't love poison pot pies?)
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To: Cementjungle
Everyone hates low flush toilets

I've got a Toto and I love it.

http://terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm

328 posted on 12/20/2007 3:47:34 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: geopyg

PLEASE post tha on ALL eco-geek threads! That is so freaking STUPID! Send to your Congressman also.


329 posted on 12/20/2007 4:22:26 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: TheBattman

Good Grief!! Ron Paul is CRAZY...and has NO Humor in him.


330 posted on 12/20/2007 4:24:46 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: rb22982
I've practically forgotten how to stand on a ladder and change a bulb since replacing everything with fluorescents.

My father bought one of the new compact lights more than 10 years ago. It's still working.

BTW, I have one of the original GE commercially viable fluorescent light fixtures (circa 1938/39) used by my grandfather. They still produce bulbs that fit in it.

No doubt Congress means well, but they are all a bunch of ignorant hillbillies ~ the best new thing coming along is the Light Emitting Diode lamp.

If Congress-critters actually cared they'd taken that $40 billion in earmarks for horsestalls and butterfly footpeddle park boats and dropped it on some happy camper for the purpose of actualizing an inexpensive LED spotlight!

331 posted on 12/20/2007 4:30:02 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: P8riot
Just think of the impact to the comedy industry. You won’t be able to ask that question anymore.

You sure won't. :-(

ff

332 posted on 12/20/2007 4:30:53 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: rb22982

Around my house switching to the new bulbs has saved enough electricity that we offset the costs of heating water. For those who don’t bathe thee will, of course, be no such offset.


333 posted on 12/20/2007 4:43:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MarkL
$600 ~ if you want the top end machines, it's more. However, the basic front load washer at Sears can sometimes be found for under $500, and also at Lowes and Home Depot.

Avoid the electronic bells and whistles and you'll do just fine.

334 posted on 12/20/2007 4:44:55 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MarkL
http://www.nextag.com/front-load-washing-machine/search-html

My sister in law bought one of the top end machines. It's virtually silent and has violet and purple glowing lights with a full electronic display system.

It was annoying to watch ~ like a really bad lead-in to a sci-fi cartoon.

335 posted on 12/20/2007 4:49:02 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: maine-iac7

“But will they be any good in light fixtures that only accept 60 watts? because the next step is already in the process - mandating light fixtures/lamps that can only take up to 60 watts”

What business is it of the government how much light we wish to use in our own homes? We’re PAYING the electric bill, aren’t we? What’s next? Outlaw ovens and mandate microwaves? Jigger cars so that they’ll turn off if some government prick thinks we’re driving too far? Or just outlaw our cars entirely if they’re too old to be “environmentally friendly”?

I am angrier about this than I was about the immigration bill, and I guess at the root of that is the feeling that MY side... excuse me, OUR side... you know, the side that’s supposed to be standing up for Truth, Justice and the American way is just as bad as those demented, evil cretins on the RAT side.

And, yes, I DO blame George W. Bush. And yes, he didn’t write the bill. But he did sign it. And I don’t care if it DOES fund the war. In fact, if it was a choice between taking away our right to have light bulbs (I can’t even believe I’m TYPING that!) and taking away the war funding - I’d choose to take away the war funding in a heartbeat. Then make a speech and explain to the American public WHY, and have congress re-write a bill that didn’t invade our homes and tell us what products we could or could not buy in the name of some environmental insanity. But Bush, as with the “campaign finance bill”, took the easy way out, and decided that screwing America was the easier course of action.


336 posted on 12/20/2007 4:50:11 AM PST by Pravious
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To: CindyDawg

We use led bulbs for the tree now. They’re actually quite nice.


337 posted on 12/20/2007 4:51:12 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: muawiyah

The absolute lowest price front-loader I found when we were washer shopping back Thanksgiving week was at Lowes - it was for a Fisher & Paykel front-loader. It was (and still is) $599. My concern - according the salesman who actually was pushing that washer, is that it can take 3-4 weeks for repairs because they have to order the parts - from overseas....

Our neighbor has high-end Whirlpool front load washer and dryer - and the washer went out last year. It took over 6 weeks for the parts to come in for the warranty repair to be done...

I dunno - if I spend $1200-1400 for a washer, not only do I expect not to need warranty work to begin with, but if I do - I certainly don’t expect it to take more than a few days.

All that being said - I would actually like a front-loader. They use less water, and from what I have seen - actually do a better job of cleaning clothes.


338 posted on 12/20/2007 5:08:05 AM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: MichiganWoodsman

truman left office with a 22% approval rating and is now considered one of our most effective presidents. i don’t really care what bush’s ratings are as most americans don’t. we elect a president to make tough choices that in many cases the majority of us differ with. too bad. good luck running a country on polls.

GOD BLESS GW BUSH. I don’t doubt in 10 years he will be judged a good to great president...despite your feelings.


339 posted on 12/20/2007 5:59:27 AM PST by HD1200
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To: elkfersupper

truman left office with a 22% approval rating and is now considered one of our most effective presidents. i don’t really care what bush’s ratings are as most americans don’t. we elect a president to make tough choices that in many cases the majority of us differ with. too bad. good luck running a country on polls.

GOD BLESS GW BUSH. I don’t doubt in 10 years he will be judged a good to great president...despite your feelings


340 posted on 12/20/2007 6:02:20 AM PST by HD1200
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To: MarkL

I do have one of the newer toilets, about $100.


341 posted on 12/20/2007 6:02:28 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Calpernia
And just what will be used for incubators and brooders??

Her Heinous has already spoken on this. She can't be responsible for every under-capitalized small business man.

342 posted on 12/20/2007 6:05:55 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Has she spoken on fish tanks?


343 posted on 12/20/2007 6:08:03 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: kc8ukw
This is where it's heading. If you haven't read it... get on it. It's only a 100 pages.


344 posted on 12/20/2007 6:27:46 AM PST by YoungHickey ("Those who say it can't be done should not interupt those doing it.")
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To: EternalVigilance
Thomas Edison is spinning at 10,000 rpm in his grave.

And in the school books children will learn how Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb but how the Party deemed them inefficient and made them better.

I really hate this crap.

345 posted on 12/20/2007 6:43:40 AM PST by YoungHickey ("Those who say it can't be done should not interupt those doing it.")
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To: All

MAIL ORDER LIGHTBULBS FROM OVERSEAS!!!!!!


346 posted on 12/20/2007 6:49:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: maine-iac7

This is the refrigerant freon fiasco all over again.

only this time we have the internet.

I wonder how the artsy fartsy crowd is going to deal with their candelabra lights.


347 posted on 12/20/2007 7:06:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

mail order.


348 posted on 12/20/2007 7:10:56 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Hardastarboard
Everyone should take two of these ugly bulbs to their Congress critters office and drop them on the lobby floor. Leave and call the local newspaper and let them know that there is a hazardous chemical spill at the Reps. office.
349 posted on 12/20/2007 7:37:00 AM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: NonValueAdded
I question the constitutionality of that clause, outlawing incandescent light bulbs. That stretches the Commerce Clause past its breaking point IMHO.

They've outlawed certain guns, knives, drugs, DDT, Cuban Cigars, tiolets, showerheads, CFCs, and zillions of other things. Do light bulbs have some Constitutional protection I am unaware of?

350 posted on 12/20/2007 8:09:16 AM PST by weaponeer
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