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Broward man charged with murder after road rage shooting
heraldtribune.com ^ | 12/19/07 | none

Posted on 12/21/2007 4:32:56 AM PST by sig226

DEERFIELD BEACH -- Broward County authorities say a man is been charged with murder following a road rage confrontation that resulted in his passenger being fatally shot.

Sheriff officials say 43-year-old Steven Lonzisero and another man approached a driver last week, accused him of driving poorly and shouted racial profanities.

That driver, 49-year-old Hygens Labidou, fired several shots from his legally permitted handgun. He struck Lonzisero and his passenger 28-year-old Edward Borowsky.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
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1 posted on 12/21/2007 4:32:57 AM PST by sig226
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To: sig226

Why is Lonzisero and not Labidou charged with murder?


2 posted on 12/21/2007 4:36:54 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: sig226

Huh? Two punks go up to legally carrying driver trying to start something. Legally carrying driver shoots them. One punk dies and the other punk is charged with murder???


3 posted on 12/21/2007 4:40:12 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: sig226
Lonzisero is being held on $15,000 bond. He faces charges of murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without the intent to kill. Authorities say he also may face hate crime charges.

This article doesn't make much sense.

4 posted on 12/21/2007 4:40:58 AM PST by laotzu
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To: sportutegrl
Lonzisero....He faces charges of murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without the intent to kill.

A very poorly written article.

If Lonzisero is being charged with assault with a deadly weapon, I would assume he was carrying also and threatened the driver since he was also charged with assault

5 posted on 12/21/2007 4:42:31 AM PST by Popman
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To: sportutegrl

I’m guessing that Lonzisero was the instigator of the fight (and crime) and as a result of his stupidity, his passenger is dead.

Like the bank robbery scenario and 1 thief is shot and killed. The other thief is charged with murder.


6 posted on 12/21/2007 4:43:20 AM PST by Azeem (Only thing worse than war is peace at all costs.)
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To: sportutegrl

It doesn’t make sense, unless they approched the driver with guns drawn....


7 posted on 12/21/2007 4:43:37 AM PST by Homer1
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To: sportutegrl
It would seem that the two approaching the vehicle were in the commission of a crime. Here in Ohio, if you do that and your accomplice is killed, you can be charged.

A very poorly written article from the lame msm, very unclear as to what happened.

Seems to me though that it is a clear cut case of self defense, but the msm doesn’t want it to appear that way.

8 posted on 12/21/2007 4:46:33 AM PST by mr_hammer (...checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: Popman

It might be the legal caveat that if a person causes or incites the death of another he is the one held accountable for the act. Didn’t think it was the case for FL.


9 posted on 12/21/2007 4:47:42 AM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: sig226

There seem to be some misplaced modifiers in this story. I don’t think I understand it.


10 posted on 12/21/2007 4:48:34 AM PST by stevem
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To: mr_hammer
Better description
11 posted on 12/21/2007 4:49:17 AM PST by Homer1
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To: sportutegrl

http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/351093.html

hate crime/self defense


12 posted on 12/21/2007 4:50:42 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last..)
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To: Homer1
If I'm the guy in the truck, I think I'd call 911 and then shoot rather than the reverse.

Personally I would have called 911 and then pulled the gun and told them to back off. I'm not really buying this guy's self-defense story.

13 posted on 12/21/2007 4:52:33 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Justa
It might be the legal caveat that if a person causes or incites the death of another he is the one held accountable for the act. Didn’t think it was the case for FL.

I think it is pretty much a nationwide legal caveat

Ex: The driver of a getaway car is just as guilty as the guy who pulls the trigger who guns down a bank guard

14 posted on 12/21/2007 4:52:37 AM PST by Popman
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To: mtbopfuyn

“Huh? Two punks go up to legally carrying driver trying to start something. Legally carrying driver shoots them. One punk dies and the other punk is charged with murder???”

If someone dies during the commission of a crime in Florida anyone with the criminal can be charged in their death. This happens regardless of how the co-criminal died. Car accident, slip and fall, homeowner self defense, or anything else.


15 posted on 12/21/2007 4:52:39 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: laotzu
No, it doesn't. I don't know what they teach people in journalism school these days, but it can't be much.

Carolyn

16 posted on 12/21/2007 4:53:13 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Homer1
I think I'd call 911

How many crimes does 911 stop?

I think the cops would have found a badly beaten or dead victim

17 posted on 12/21/2007 4:54:53 AM PST by Popman
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To: Homer1

Better story and the shooting sounds legitimate based on this story.


18 posted on 12/21/2007 4:56:41 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Homer1
Personally I would have called 911 and then pulled the gun and told them to back off. I'm not really buying this guy's self-defense story.

I am. The guy charged with murder is one bad dude. It's a shame he didn't die too.

19 posted on 12/21/2007 4:57:26 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Homer1
A better account but this still sounds like a Babelfish translation.

" use his legally-permanent handgun "

I looked twice to be sure this happened in the US.

20 posted on 12/21/2007 4:57:26 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Popman

“How many crimes does 911 stop?”

None, but they do provide audio evidence of the event. As long as you are doing the right thing this can be valuable.


21 posted on 12/21/2007 4:57:51 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Popman

If he’s locked in his truck, it would take awhile for them to get to him, and if he points the gun at them and tells them to back off, unless they are really stupid, they back off.


22 posted on 12/21/2007 4:58:22 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Gorzaloon

“A better account but this still sounds like a Babelfish translation.”

This is Miami ya know. The reporters primary language is probably spanish.


23 posted on 12/21/2007 4:59:00 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: sportutegrl
I didn’t think I’d be able to figure out the facts of the case after I read “is been.” Is being? Has been?

As a writer and editor, it makes my head spin that so much garbage passes by the editors.

24 posted on 12/21/2007 5:00:43 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Homer1
Read the link at post # 12.

If the account is accurate, he didn't have time to lock himself in his truck. These guys were bad people, who I doubt would have backed off.

25 posted on 12/21/2007 5:05:47 AM PST by Popman
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To: laotzu
He faces charges of murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without the intent to kill.

The article was written by a real idiot. It’s like a math problem with one part of the equation missing.

I am guessing what’s missing is the fact the Lonzisero had some sort of weapon when he approached the car.

Very simply “road rage is dangerous”, to your health. Take a deep breath and count to 10 and forget it.

26 posted on 12/21/2007 5:08:38 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Recon Dad

The guy who died had a knife!


27 posted on 12/21/2007 5:13:56 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Homer1
Personally I would have called 911

Nice thought! But I am responsible for my protection the police are responsible for taking the report.

911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer

“When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away,”

Glock when a 5 minute response time is a death sentence

28 posted on 12/21/2007 5:15:34 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Popman

According to the account they were kicking the truck and trying to open the door. It sounds like he already was locked in the truck. When police arrived, he was outside the truck standing over the “suspects.” I’m not going to cry over the guy charged with murder though, he sounds like a really bad guy and that society would be better served if he was not amongst us. I just can’t figure at waht point deadly force was necessary.


29 posted on 12/21/2007 5:17:52 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Homer1

I just can’t figure at waht point deadly force was necessary.

At the point he feared for his life....


30 posted on 12/21/2007 5:21:59 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Popman

Right, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away, and 911 has a “Hold” button.


31 posted on 12/21/2007 5:24:17 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Red_Devil 232

Sounds like the guy did what he had to do. It is exactly why the CCW laws are in effect.


32 posted on 12/21/2007 5:25:49 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Homer1

“...to use his legally-permanent hand gun, firing several shots to defend himself sticking both men.”

Huh?


33 posted on 12/21/2007 5:28:07 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: mr_hammer
Here in Ohio, if you do that and your accomplice is killed, you can be charged.

That's the felony murder provision IIRC. A death of any party during the commission of a felony results in a murder charge. I seem to recall a perp being charged under that law (don't remember where) when a patron had a heart attack during a bank holdup.

34 posted on 12/21/2007 5:28:28 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: Homer1
I just can’t figure at what point deadly force was necessary.

The law reads when you fear for your life.

I have lived in that part of the world, currently live on the west coast of Florida. Lots of nut cases and criminals live in S. Florida transplanted from other parts of the country.

I can easily understand how a Haitian guy would fear for his life when two thugs start beating on his car with a weapon drawn and you are locked in a traffic flow.

I carry a S&W 40 everyday in Tampa, if two thugs started beating on my car with a knife drawn screaming at me trying to break into my car, I would have done the exact same thing........except both thugs would have been dead........

35 posted on 12/21/2007 5:30:12 AM PST by Popman
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To: Homer1

That’s more like it.


36 posted on 12/21/2007 5:30:22 AM PST by mr_hammer (...checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: CDHart
I don't know what they teach people in journalism school these days, but it can't be much.

"Repeat after me class: America bad. Capitalism bad. Bush Bad. Self defense bad."

37 posted on 12/21/2007 5:31:54 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: Recon Dad

I’m sure the “suspect” could say he feared for his life because of the “victim’s” driving. Was deadly force justified? Could simply pointing the gun at these two thugs have been enough to mitigate the situation?


38 posted on 12/21/2007 5:32:25 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Popman

I’m just thinking that if two guys, one of which has a knife get a gun pointed in their direction, they decide that they may need to back off.


39 posted on 12/21/2007 5:34:43 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Homer1
“Personally I would have called 911 and then pulled the gun and told them to back off. I’m not really buying this guy’s self-defense story.”

I would have tossed the phone to the wife, simultaneously unholserting the weapon, she can call 911.

If no one is with me, weapon comes out first.

40 posted on 12/21/2007 5:35:27 AM PST by mr_hammer (...checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: mr_hammer
Perhaps you are right here:

Point weapon, pull out phone, call 911, if suspects still persist in the face of a gun (highly unlikely IMO) then consider shooting.

41 posted on 12/21/2007 5:40:07 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Popman

I’m not assuming he was carrying. The way this article was written, that fact would have been mentioned.


42 posted on 12/21/2007 5:46:40 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Azeem

Words don’t kill people.


43 posted on 12/21/2007 5:47:47 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Homer1
I’m just thinking that if two guys, one of which has a knife get a gun pointed in their direction, they decide that they may need to back off.

You would think that would be the case, maybe the guy who was carrying should have stayed calmer and realized the two thugs were not too excited to realize their life be forfeited and tried to reason with them......................... or maybe he might be dead.

Just last week a guy bumped me from the rear trying to get around me in a traffic jam. Nothing serious, but I tossed my hands up saying in effect "Hey watch it"

He gets out of his car and stars to walk to my closed, locked truck. He asked me to roll my window down, he looked like he wanted to made sure I didn't question his driving skills

I make a hand signal of a gun and pointed down to my seat. His attitude changed from pissed to "no problem dude" and walked away.

If he stared beating on my window and acting like a mad man, it would have been a different story

44 posted on 12/21/2007 5:48:41 AM PST by Popman
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To: mr_hammer
Actually I think it is written in favor of the shooter. It refers to his ‘legally permitted’ handgun. How often do you see the MSM use that phrase. Apparently now for minorities a new “get out of jail free” card is to allege racial slurs.
45 posted on 12/21/2007 5:50:50 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: TornadoAlley3

Thanks for that post. With so many details left out of the first short story, it is hard to guess what happened.


46 posted on 12/21/2007 5:55:00 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Homer1
It doesn’t make sense, unless they approched the driver with guns drawn....

One had a knife and they were trying to pull the shooter from his vehicle.

A much more detailed story here:

Black driver shot 2 whites in self-defense

47 posted on 12/21/2007 5:55:12 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Popman
Had a young lady rear-end me last spring. She did in fact get out of her vehicle and started with MF’ing, screaming and caring on so forth.

I stayed in my vehicle till the law arrived and explained to him I am in the possession of a CCW and do in fact have a firearm on me.

He takes my permit and drivers license and calmly walks up to the screaming loon and explained to her the situation...you think she saw a ghost.

She was only 5’5” about a 130lbs so she posed no serious threat to me and my family, but she most defiantly exposed her self to a possibly dangerous situation.

48 posted on 12/21/2007 6:08:19 AM PST by mr_hammer (...checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: sig226

I wish police would ticket tailgaters more often. It’s dangerous.


49 posted on 12/21/2007 6:12:34 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

LOL. I missed that one. “Is been.”


50 posted on 12/21/2007 6:16:01 AM PST by sportutegrl
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