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Broward man charged with murder after road rage shooting
heraldtribune.com ^ | 12/19/07 | none

Posted on 12/21/2007 4:32:56 AM PST by sig226

DEERFIELD BEACH -- Broward County authorities say a man is been charged with murder following a road rage confrontation that resulted in his passenger being fatally shot.

Sheriff officials say 43-year-old Steven Lonzisero and another man approached a driver last week, accused him of driving poorly and shouted racial profanities.

That driver, 49-year-old Hygens Labidou, fired several shots from his legally permitted handgun. He struck Lonzisero and his passenger 28-year-old Edward Borowsky.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
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To: mtbopfuyn

It’s probably a felony murder charge. Punks 1 & 2 approach the driver who has a CCW permit and assault him in a way that causes him to reasonably believe he’s at risk of death or great bodily harm (such an assault can be verbal, as well as physical, if it contains racial insults and physical threats) and the assault’s target fires in self defense, wounding punk 1 and killing punk 2. Punk 1 probably committed a felony in initiating the assault; thus, when punk 2 was killed in the course of that felony, punk 1 became liable for murder under the felony murder rule.


51 posted on 12/21/2007 6:18:11 AM PST by libstripper
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To: TornadoAlley3

Good cite. It explains that the two punks were armed, one with a knife, and they attacked the citizen, trying to force their way into his vehicle to kill him or maim him, giving him the right to stop them with deadly force, which he did. Thus, they were committing a felony and, when one of them died from gunshot wounds, the decedent’s fellow conspirator was rightfully charged with felony murder.


52 posted on 12/21/2007 6:24:53 AM PST by libstripper
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To: sportutegrl

Check out 47. They weren’t just using words.

2nd Ammendment to the rescue again.


53 posted on 12/21/2007 6:30:49 AM PST by Azeem (Only thing worse than war is peace at all costs.)
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To: libstripper
It’s probably a felony murder charge.

That's exactly what it is. Felony murder charges are quite common here in Florida, though the doctrine has been abolished in a number of other states. If someone -- anyone -- is murdered during the commission of a felony in which you are an accomplice, you get hit with a murder charge. You see perps getting socked with this all the time where their partner-in-crime has been killed.

Also, anybody who thinks the driver with the CCW should have just warned these two off with a gun is nuts. I've read a number of the local news reports down here on this case. The guy in jail is 6'3" and close to 300 lbs, and was known as a total hothead. I don't blame the driver for not just pulling his piece and politely asking him to go away. The law doesn't require that here in Florida. See this statute for details.

54 posted on 12/21/2007 6:35:20 AM PST by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: laotzu

Maybe it’s the law that doesn’t make much sense.


55 posted on 12/21/2007 6:36:58 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: mr_hammer
He takes my permit and drivers license and calmly walks up to the screaming loon and explained to her the situation...you think she saw a ghost.

It sounds like you and the officer may have helped one person see the downside of road rage.

If only the officer had a video of the persons face......

56 posted on 12/21/2007 6:42:09 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Azeem

Yeah, I read that link. It explains a lot of stuff the original article left out.


57 posted on 12/21/2007 6:45:50 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: swain_forkbeard
Maybe it’s the law that doesn’t make much sense

It can be both.

58 posted on 12/21/2007 7:06:15 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Homer1
Personally I would have called 911 and then pulled the gun and told them to back off.

Do you assume everyone in the US is carrying a cell phone with them at all times? Did it occur to you that there are still millions of people that don't have one?

I for one carried a Glock long before I carried a cell phone.

59 posted on 12/21/2007 7:14:27 AM PST by weaponeer
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To: CDHart

No, it doesn’t. I don’t know what they teach people in journalism school these days, but it can’t be much.

ESL!!!


60 posted on 12/21/2007 7:21:29 AM PST by CenTex (Texas has a governor for sale... Make an offer...)
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To: Homer1
The first thing you learn when taking a gun course is “never” point your gun at anyone unless you intend to use it. It is absolutely they last resort. They tell you there is reason to ever fire a warning shot. When you pull your gun it is to protect your life or a loved ones no other reason.
61 posted on 12/21/2007 7:21:32 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: mr_hammer

Good for you, holding your composure I think is easier with a CCW and it sounded like the cop handled it well.


62 posted on 12/21/2007 7:26:46 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: Recon Dad

“When you pull your gun it is to protect your life or a loved ones no other reason.”

Absolutly correct!


63 posted on 12/21/2007 7:50:06 AM PST by mr_hammer (...checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: All

Sorry for the poorly written article. I was in a rush this morning and didn’t read it carefully. I was familiar with it and was answering a request from another poster.

Next time I’ll try to find a story that is written properly.


64 posted on 12/21/2007 12:56:13 PM PST by sig226 (New additions to the list of democrat criminals - see my profile)
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To: Homer1
"If he’s locked in his truck, it would take awhile for them to get to him, and if he points the gun at them and tells them to back off, unless they are really stupid, they back off. "

The pommel of a knife will smash the side window of a car the same as a spring loaded center punch. From there, you might drop the guy with one shot, or he might have time to get you before you get him.

I've had to deal with road rage down here. People are insane in south Florida. You might argue that the driver would have to be stupid to advance when he sees a pistol aimed at him, but I observe that he is obviously stupid. The acts of cutting someone off, pounding on his truck, and yelling, "nigger, nigger, nigger," are stupid in any state. It is beyond stupid in a state where there are 300,000 carry permits extant. You do not need one to keep a loaded handgun in the console of the truck, either. Then there's the old adage about bringing a knife to a gunfight.

65 posted on 12/21/2007 1:09:32 PM PST by sig226 (New additions to the list of democrat criminals - see my profile)
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To: weaponeer

If you read the article, this guy apparently did have a cell phone...


66 posted on 12/23/2007 5:53:21 PM PST by Homer1
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To: Homer1

Evidently they were really stupid.


67 posted on 12/23/2007 6:00:04 PM PST by sport
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To: sig226; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; ExSoldier

Hygens Labidou........shot two guys who were driving next too him and only “yelling” racist remarks at him ?

.......no damage to Labidou’s ride just his pride ?

Can’t wait for this to play out.


68 posted on 12/23/2007 6:10:55 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Homer1

Evidently it wasn’t.


69 posted on 12/23/2007 6:15:20 PM PST by sport
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To: Popman
How many crimes does 911 stop?

137.

70 posted on 12/23/2007 6:17:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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