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Guilty verdict for black dad in shooting death of white teen in Long Island (Klan reference invoked)
The New York Daily News ^ | December 22, 2007 | NICHOLAS HIRSHON, JOE GOULD and RICH SCHAPIRO

Posted on 12/22/2007 10:38:31 PM PST by Stoat

Guilty verdict for black dad in shooting death of white teen in Long Island

BY NICHOLAS HIRSHON, JOE GOULD and RICH SCHAPIRO
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

Saturday, December 22nd 2007, 10:25 PM

John White and his wife Sonia as they leave the courthouse after his guilty verdict was handed down. Roca/News

John White and his wife Sonia as they leave the courthouse after his guilty verdict was handed down.

Members of the Cicciaro family celebrate the verdict. Roca/News

Members of the Cicciaro family celebrate the verdict.

The black Long Island father charged with shooting a white teen was convicted of manslaughter Saturday night by a jury that rejected his claim he was defending his family from a "lynch mob."

John White, 54, was found guilty of gunning down 17-year-old Daniel Cicciaro last year in the racially charged case.

"We're going to Disney. Wooo!" the victim's father, Daniel Cicciaro Sr., crowed, as he left the Arthur M. Cromarty Court complex in Riverhead, L.I., Saturday night.

"My son is finally vindicated," the teen's mother, Joanne Cicciaro, said. "The truth prevailed.

"It was never about race. It was about individuals and individuals' actions."

Cicciaro's relatives started honking their horns in the parking lot.

White, who also was convicted of criminal possession of a weapon, had maintained that the shooting was accidental. He was permitted to remain free on bail until sentencing, when he is to face a prison term of 5 to 15 years.

He had no comment last night.

The ruling came on the fourth day of tense jury deliberations that followed a trial in which defense attorneys referenced the Ku Klux Klan in arguing the shooting was justified. Jurors reported they were deadlocked on Friday.

Reaction in the courtroom was muted after Judge Barbara Kahn had warned the spectators against "public displays of approval or disapproval when the verdict is read."

White testified during the trial that he was trying to protect his family when he brandished a gun last year after a group of angry white teenagers showed up at his doorstep late at night to confront his then-19-year-old son, Aaron.

John White had been sleeping inside his home in Miller Place, a predominantly white community in eastern Long Island, on Aug. 9, 2006, when Aaron woke him to say that a group of angry teens was headed to their house bent on beating him up.

Minutes earlier, Aaron White had gotten into a fight with the boys after being asked to leave a house party.

The elder White first grabbed a shotgun, but then opted instead for a pistol he kept in his garage.

He and his son, who had picked up the shotgun, walked to the end of the driveway to confront the angry gang, who hurled racial epithets.

John White said his gun went off accidentally after Cicciaro lunged for it.

"He wanted to stop these people who said they were coming to kill his son," defense attorney Fred Brewington said in closing arguments.

Suffolk County Assistant District Attorney James Chalifoux said White should have simply locked the door and called police - and not gone outside to confront the teenagers with a gun.

He also sought to downplay the racial element, telling jurors the Brooklyn-raised White never said anything about a lynch mob until the case went to trial.

The defendant's wife, Sonia White, said only, "We are blessed by the Lord."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aaronwhite; danielcicciaro; johnwhite; longisland; newyork; race; racism
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2 posted on 12/22/2007 10:42:55 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
This guy had no criminal history.

If I had a gun and some angry hooligan teenagers came after my son, I would confront them.

3 posted on 12/22/2007 10:42:57 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Stoat
"We're going to Disney. Wooo!" the victim's father, Daniel Cicciaro Sr., crowed...

Class act.

4 posted on 12/22/2007 10:46:27 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: LdSentinal
If I had a gun and some angry hooligan teenagers came after my son, I would confront them.

Even if you could easily lock yourself in your secure home and call the police?

Then you would be found guilty as well....the law is clear on this. 

The crowd of white kids outside was unarmed, according to the articles....they were only making drunken noise.

Going outside with a drawn gun into a situation like that suggests a profound ignorance of the law on the part of Mr. White, and ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking it.

5 posted on 12/22/2007 10:48:56 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Just from the way the Cicciaro family reacted, you can understand why their son turned out to be a punk. That kid actually went out of his way to get himself killed.


6 posted on 12/22/2007 10:54:16 PM PST by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: Stoat
Even if you could easily lock yourself in your secure home and call the police?

Call the police yes, but staying inside is no guarantee of safety.

The crowd of white kids outside was unarmed, according to the articles....they were only making drunken noise.

I've read the articles as well since I live nearby. These kids were on his property! They were threatning to harm his kid. And who cares if they were unarmed? They were four and he was only one, 50+ year old guy.

All White was doing was protecting his family.

7 posted on 12/22/2007 10:54:25 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

What’s the difference between this guy and Joe Horn, who is considered a Freeper hero?


8 posted on 12/22/2007 10:57:19 PM PST by Fargo Rock
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To: Krankor
Just from the way the Cicciaro family reacted, you can understand why their son turned out to be a punk.

Good point.

9 posted on 12/22/2007 10:57:56 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: Fargo Rock

Another good point.


10 posted on 12/22/2007 10:58:42 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: Stoat

New York Post articles are link/excerpt only. Your post had to be removed.


11 posted on 12/22/2007 11:07:35 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Stoat

I’m on John White’s side on this one.


12 posted on 12/22/2007 11:10:59 PM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: M203M4
I’m on John White’s side on this one.

If the crowd had tried to break into his house or had done anything other than simply make noise, I would be also.

13 posted on 12/22/2007 11:15:59 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat; LdSentinal; Fargo Rock
Stoat wrote: "Even if you could easily lock yourself in your secure home and call the police?"

When seconds count, the PD are only minutes away...

"Can you imagine what would happen if some beret-wearing Panthers angry drunk white teenagers decided to converge on a law-abiding homeowner who had legally defended himself here in Seattle this incident? "

You are correct that here in the PRNY, there is no castle doctrine law (that you and most of us admire so much in TX, FL etc), and I don't know which story is the truth, but it sure sounds like the convicted man's son was set up for a beating by a crowd, and that the father was protecting his home and family.

The confrontation outside White's home in Miller Place came after his son, Aaron, was asked to leave a beer bash at a friend's house. A female guest had complained about a bogus MySpace posting claiming Aaron White wanted to rape her.

He denied making the threat but left the party. Cicciaro and his friends subsequently called the teenager on his cell phone to continue the dispute, allegedly making threats that culminated when they arrived at the White home shortly after 11 p.m.

14 posted on 12/22/2007 11:19:05 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!) SAY YES to Waterboarding Jihadist!)
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To: Fargo Rock

Nothing, except a mob was coming after his son instead of burglars coming for the neighbor’s property!


15 posted on 12/22/2007 11:19:45 PM PST by donna (Duncan Hunter: US Army, 1969-1971, with service in Vietnam)
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To: Fargo Rock
What’s the difference between this guy and Joe Horn, who is considered a Freeper hero?

Joe Horn shot strangers who were escaping with their burglary loot while in Texas. John White shot an unarmed teenager who was known by his son in the face at point-blank range during a verbal argument while in New York.

There are lots of differences.

16 posted on 12/22/2007 11:27:36 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Yehuda
Stoat wrote: "Even if you could easily lock yourself in your secure home and call the police?"

When seconds count, the PD are only minutes away...

Yes, and Mr. White chose to use those precious seconds to go out to his garage and get a revolver, and then go outside and escalate the situation far beyond what was necessary.

I'm all for self-defense within the law, but the law doesn't cover someone who intentionally escalates the situation beyond what it was.

When a black man on Long Island calls police saying that his house is under siege by a gang of drunken white kids, the cops will probably be there in seconds considering how eager they are to avoid any hint of a 'racial incident'.

Mr. White was only under immediate threat because he chose to go outside and place himself under imminent threat.

17 posted on 12/22/2007 11:28:00 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Based on the facts in the article, a clear case of self-defense. A person has an inalienable right to keep and bear arms, and to use arms in defense of his self, his family and his property (all of which apply here.) Any local law requiring otherwise is Unconstitutional. No policeman, or other government official, can logically have greater right to use deadly force in self defense than any common person, since all government power derives solely from the people themselves. A policeman cannot obtain rights from the people, unless the people already have those rights as individuals.


18 posted on 12/22/2007 11:28:16 PM PST by sourcery (If Hillary is the next President, she may also be the last.)
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To: Yehuda

I read on another FR thread that the rape threat was sent from Mr. White’s son’s Myspace account as a prank by a friend of White’s son. Thus the shooting victim did not know that it was not sent by Mr. White’s son himself.


19 posted on 12/22/2007 11:30:51 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: sourcery

He was only faced with a threat to his life because he needlessly escalated the situation.
The cops could have come and diffused the situation, as they frequently do.
He had an easy opportunity to diffuse the situation and prevent it from escalating, which he chose not to do. He chose to roll the dice and handle it himself, and this time the roll didn’t come up in his favor.


20 posted on 12/22/2007 11:32:08 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: rogue yam

He shot strangers who had robbed a neighbor’s house, not his, and strangers who did not step foot on his property.


21 posted on 12/22/2007 11:33:14 PM PST by Fargo Rock
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To: Stoat
He chose to roll the dice and handle it himself, and this time the roll didn’t come up in his favor.

As much as Mr. White lost here the kid he shot lost more.

22 posted on 12/22/2007 11:34:34 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Stoat
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/nyregion/23trial.html?ref=nyregion

...trial testimony that indicated that Mr. White fanned the gun menacingly at each teenager and that Daniel did not lunge, but rather defiantly slapped the gun away...

The man trespassed on Mr White's (rightfully defended, gun unregistered or not) property and then assaulted him. But the whole race-card BS just pisses me off.

23 posted on 12/22/2007 11:34:36 PM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: Fargo Rock
He shot strangers who had robbed a neighbor’s house, not his, and strangers who did not step foot on his property.

Yep. And the question is, is that legal in Texas or not? So far it seems that the answer is yes, what Mr. Horn did is legal in Texas.

24 posted on 12/22/2007 11:37:08 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: LdSentinal

Lock your home. Call the police.

Do not go outside and display a weapon.

If they break into your house, or do something to endanger you in the house, such as shoot into your house or try to set fire to it, or you are stopping them from committing (but not just from escaping from) a felony such as stealing your car (not just vandalizing it) from your property/driveway (not the street); shoot them.


25 posted on 12/22/2007 11:38:45 PM PST by MindBender26 (Is FR worth our time anymore? All the "fun" sees to be gone.)
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To: Fargo Rock

The thieves actually were on Mr Horn’s property when they ignored his demand to halt.


26 posted on 12/22/2007 11:39:03 PM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: rogue yam

I understand what he did was legal. I’m just surprised that given the amount of sympathy here for Mr. Horn, Mr. White doesn’t have more support.


27 posted on 12/22/2007 11:39:29 PM PST by Fargo Rock
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To: rogue yam
He chose to roll the dice and handle it himself, and this time the roll didn’t come up in his favor.

As much as Mr. White lost here the kid he shot lost more.

Agreed. The kid was guilty of trespassing, disturbing the peace, being a low-class drunken idiot and probably of making threats, none of which are Capital crimes, last time I checked, and none of which placed Mr. White in an imminent threat to his life.

When Mr. White chose to go outside and escalate the situation rather than diffuse it, that's only when his life came into jeopardy.

28 posted on 12/22/2007 11:39:40 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: sourcery

I’m sorry, but you are legally 100% wrong.

Mr. White, as much as a feel for him and his intent to protect his son, was the instigator of the deadly interaction.

See # 17 above.

TX and NY law VERY different.


29 posted on 12/22/2007 11:42:11 PM PST by MindBender26 (Is FR worth our time anymore? All the "fun" sees to be gone.)
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To: rogue yam

Yes, see #29


30 posted on 12/22/2007 11:43:19 PM PST by MindBender26 (Is FR worth our time anymore? All the "fun" sees to be gone.)
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To: rogue yam

Didn’t read that.


31 posted on 12/22/2007 11:56:44 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!) SAY YES to Waterboarding Jihadist!)
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To: Stoat

Mr. White had as much right to defend himself and his family from this lynch mob as anyone else would.


32 posted on 12/23/2007 12:00:56 AM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: Stoat

*If* this had happned in Texas he proabably wouldn’t be charged. If Sharpton et al., have a problem with it they should take it up with the lords of New York state.

It probably was not a good idea to go outside with a pistol and son with a shotgun to confront a group of drunk teens. It definately won’t deescalate the situation and probably enflamed it.

He shot the kid in the face. It was no accident.


33 posted on 12/23/2007 12:01:42 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: rogue yam
I didn’t dig into this that much but I did look at some sources out there.

From what I can glean:

The kids who showed up did think that a threat involving rape and assault had originated from the shooter’s son.

The threat had occurred 9 months prior to the shooting incident.

The threat was either made from:

A fake mspace account made by one of the shooter’s son’s friends.

Or from the son’s own mspace account which was “accessed” by his son’s friend to transmit the “threat”.

And variations on the above (posted chat logs on a mspace, ims from a mspace, posted in chat room yadda)

The person named as making the the “fake” threats or whatever (wtf) has been named as both “Ken” Longo and “Michael” Longo, who apparently is or was a US Marine. This person is supposedly the friend of Aaron White.

This same person “Ken” or Michael” or whomever was also at the party that night.

I have no idea. Someone else figure it out, lolz.

34 posted on 12/23/2007 12:03:34 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Fargo Rock
Mr. White doesn’t have more support.

If the kids had weapons or if they started to break in the house I'm sure he would have tons of support.

Sounds to me like the race card backfired. If his attorney had presented him as a scared father rather than a poor black man scared of the KKK it may have turned out differently.

35 posted on 12/23/2007 12:04:51 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

If anyone has any actual transcripts or court docs please post em. : )


36 posted on 12/23/2007 12:05:43 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Fargo Rock
I’m just surprised that given the amount of sympathy here for Mr. Horn, Mr. White doesn’t have more support.

There have been several threads about this case and while FReepers have been on both sides, Mr. White has had plenty of support here. I have questioned Mr. White's actions and there have been people who have defended him quite emphatically to me. I think the NYT article linked above said it right in noting that these were two decent lives that intersected in a bad way. Apparently neither Mr. White nor the kid he shot were criminals or thugs before the fateful night. It's a damn shame this happened.

37 posted on 12/23/2007 12:06:49 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: LilAngel
Mr. White had as much right to defend himself and his family from this lynch mob as anyone else would.

Agreed, and until he chose to go outside and confront the mob and in so doing inflame and escalate the situation, the only thing that he needed 'defense' from was from drunken noise and trespassers. 

He already had a shotgun in the house.  He could have locked the door, called the police, and if the drunken kids tried to break his door down he could have blown them apart with his shotgun, and I would have been cheering for him.

Instead, he chose to go out to his garage to get a revolver, then to go outside and inflame the situation beyond what it was.

In a 'racial' situation like this, twenty police cars would probably have been there in moments of him making the call and diffused the situation because they are so very, very eager to avoid any hint of a 'racial' situation.

I have a massive gun collection and you'll be hard pressed to find a stronger supporter of the Second Amendment and the right of individuals to defend themselves with lethal force WHEN NECESSARY and within the context of established law than myself, but I have zero sympathy for people who act outside the law and needlessly inflame a situation.

38 posted on 12/23/2007 12:12:13 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Yehuda
Didn’t read that.

One of the things about this story is that there are a lot of critical facts that don't get included in each article. Depending on what a writer includes and what gets left out one can come away with very different views of what happened. There have been long exchanges on previous threads regarding questions that were settled by plain facts on other threads. The MSM has been up to its usual tricks with this story.

39 posted on 12/23/2007 12:12:24 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

“The MSM has been up to its usual tricks with this story.”

Agreed.


40 posted on 12/23/2007 12:17:21 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Stoat
"We're going to Disney. Wooo!" the victim's father, Daniel Cicciaro Sr., crowed...

THIS is what the father chooses to say after the trial? I'm sure the females were thinking..."Hey, yo! He wazza good kid, ya know?" "He didn't deserve ta be killed because he didn't do nuthin!" "Deese kids was angles..totally innicent I tell ya..."

Mr.White: Next time, 1.) have wife call the police while you... 2.) Turn on the porch light so these little darlings can see you when you... 3.)Open the main door to your house, leaving the screen door closed. 4.) If they try and open the door, or try and break in through the back, all bets are off. The wife on the phone screaming that they tried to open the door or throw things at the window, or break in the back while you excercise your right to self- defense will be gold in the courtroom.

41 posted on 12/23/2007 12:20:14 AM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: M203M4; Stoat

Uh, I think everyone is missing the most important piece of information in the whole article.

Mr white claims he shot the kid by accident. That is an ADMISSION OF GUILT! If he had said he was attacked and shot him in self defense, then we’d have something to argue about. But that’s not what happened. It was an accidental shooting. Someone died due to an accidental shooting. That is MANSLAUGHTER! He must do jail time for that.

There’s no ifs ands or buts about it.


42 posted on 12/23/2007 12:20:39 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Stoat
-Call the cops
-Stay inside
-Blast anyone (inside) threatening harm.

-end of story
different ending today

White didn’t play by the rules!

I feel sorry for the guy.

43 posted on 12/23/2007 12:23:19 AM PST by shadowcat
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To: mamelukesabre

I still want to know about those threats.

I want screenshots of those mspace threats dangit!

I need facts! Hell, for all anyone knows the idiot kid could have posted them himself and conned his buddy into saying that he actually did it.

Needs more dataz plz.

The MSM isn’t touching this aspect for some reason (well yes the MSM sucks at all things internet but that is beside the point).


44 posted on 12/23/2007 12:25:49 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Krankor

If someone killed your son or daughter, I think you would have the right to say just about anything you want.


45 posted on 12/23/2007 12:27:21 AM PST by TheThinker
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To: Captainpaintball
1.) have wife call the police while you...

One of the important facts not mentioned here but included in a previously-linked article is that no one in the White family called the police before or after the shooting. When the kid was dead Mr. White called his lawyer.

46 posted on 12/23/2007 12:30:56 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: LilAngel
Mr. White had as much right to defend himself and his family from this lynch mob as anyone else would. You mean they came with clubs and noose in hand? Didn't read that.../s
47 posted on 12/23/2007 12:32:19 AM PST by TheThinker
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

None of that matters. He clearly said he shot the kid by accident.

Why can’t you figure out what that means? If he had felt he was being threatened, he would have fired INTENTIONALLY!

Get it?


48 posted on 12/23/2007 12:33:43 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Krankor
That kid actually went out of his way to get himself killed. Boy, that's about the most convenient excuse for murder I've ever heard.
49 posted on 12/23/2007 12:34:22 AM PST by TheThinker
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To: mamelukesabre

I like looking at precipitating factors. You missed the point of my posts completely. I was referring to rape threats that were allegedly made by the son of the shooter (or his friend) against a young female. This occurred many months prior.


50 posted on 12/23/2007 12:40:07 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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