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Four Pinocchios for Romney on MLK ("Well, it was somebody who certainly looked like him.")
Washington Post ^ | December 23, 2007 | Michael Dobbs "The Fact Checker"

Posted on 12/23/2007 2:18:05 PM PST by greyfoxx39

"They [George Romney and Martin Luther King] were hand in hand...They led the march. We all swung our hands, and they held their hands up above everybody else's."

Quote distributed by the Mitt Romney campaign.

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After news reports challenged Mitt Romney's repeated accounts of his father marching with Martin Luther King, his campaign put a reporter from Politico in touch with eyewitnesses who claimed to have seen the former Michigan governor "hand in hand" with the civil rights leader. But their memories are almost certainly flawed as contemporaneous news reports show that King was addressing a meeting in New Jersey at the time the eyewitnesses supposedly saw him in Grosse Pointe, MI.

The Facts

-SNIP-

Romney did show up at a smaller march the following Saturday in the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Michigan to protest housing discrimination. But contemporaneous news reports show that King had left the Michigan area by then, and was traveling in the Northeast

-SNIP-

"I was fifteen feet away from them [Romney and MLK]," said Robertson, 64, who attended Grosse Pointe high school. "You don't forget that kind of thing."

I called up one of the eyewitnesses cited by Politico and the Romney campaign, Ashby Robertson.

-SNIP-

When I told Robertson that news reports placed Martin Luther King in New Jersey at the time, he replied: "Well, it was somebody who certainly looked like him."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; election; elections; mitt; mittromney; mlk; politics; romney
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1 posted on 12/23/2007 2:18:08 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: Petronski; Politicalmom; ejonesie22; P-Marlowe; Colofornian; colorcountry; JRochelle; MHGinTN; ...
Ping

ONE PINOCCHIO: Some shading of the facts. TWO PINOCCHIOS: Significant omissions or exaggerations. THREE PINOCCHIOS: Significant factual errors. FOUR PINOCCHIOS: Real whoppers.

2 posted on 12/23/2007 2:22:49 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (I SAW it with my own eyes...figuratively. Mitt Romney)
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To: greyfoxx39

“It was certainly somebody who looked like him.”

They all look alike!


3 posted on 12/23/2007 2:26:38 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: greyfoxx39

God help us all, is there no candidate on our side who’s worth voting for? Well, a candidate who can actually win, I mean.


4 posted on 12/23/2007 2:27:40 PM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: jim35

Yes. Fred Thompson.


5 posted on 12/23/2007 2:36:04 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Your choice if you take offense.)
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To: jim35

Fred is the only one that I don’t detest.


6 posted on 12/23/2007 2:37:14 PM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: greyfoxx39
After news reports challenged Mitt Romney's repeated accounts of his father marching with Martin Luther King, his campaign put a reporter from Politico in touch with eyewitnesses who claimed to have seen the former Michigan governor "hand in hand" with the civil rights leader. But their memories are almost certainly flawed as contemporaneous news reports show that King was addressing a meeting in New Jersey at the time the eyewitnesses supposedly saw him in Grosse Pointe, MI.

When I was younger, I could remember anything, whether it had happened or not; but my faculties are decaying now and soon I shall be so I cannot remember any but the things that never happened. - Mark Twain's Autobiography

7 posted on 12/23/2007 2:37:56 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: jim35
God help us all, is there no candidate on our side who’s worth voting for? Well, a candidate who can actually win, I mean.

...and God said, "Have you considered my servant, Fred?"

8 posted on 12/23/2007 2:39:32 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: greyfoxx39
so what is the story here? Liberal MSM reporter tells a witness that "you are wrong..MLK was elsewhere" what is the witness supposed to say? Who says MSM reporter with an agenda has it right instead of the witness who actually was there? In anycase, MLK and Romney worked together in many ways so this is totally non-story.

There are 2 witnesses saying they saw MLK with Romney's father. Some MSM references from 1960's say the same. It is funny how MSM is working overtime against Romney. Every word uttered by Romney is evaluated by 300 paid MSM "reporters".

Funny they could care less what loser GOP candidates say.
Democrats know it. Here's an interesting statistic: Since the beginning of 2007, the Democratic National Committee has released 102 direct attacks on Mitt Romney. Rudy Giuliani has warranted 78; John McCain 68; Fred Thompson 21. http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/kstrasselpw/?id=110011021
9 posted on 12/23/2007 2:39:44 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: P-Marlowe

I saw this one in Reader’s Digest (supposedly by Twain...it may be appropriate for Broder et al.)...”the historians have cast a great deal of darkness upon the subject. If they continue at this rate, we will soon know nothing at all about it.”


10 posted on 12/23/2007 2:41:37 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: All

Forrest Gump for President!


11 posted on 12/23/2007 2:45:12 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: tompster76; greyfoxx39
It is funny how MSM is working overtime against Romney. Every word uttered by Romney is evaluated by 300 paid MSM "reporters".

A lot of this stuff is coming out of the blogs and places like Free Republic.

We had 8 years of a "Liar in Chief". We don't need one on our side.

IF Romney has been lying about his political resume (and he has), then we need to get the truth out now... before we see a November 2008 meltdown.

12 posted on 12/23/2007 2:46:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

No. This stuff is coming from DNC / MSM and reported in places like FR. One liberal ragtag from NH (Concord) was used as a credible source, now this. lol

Wall Street Journal:
“Democrats know it. Here’s an interesting statistic: Since the beginning of 2007, the Democratic National Committee has released 102 direct attacks on Mitt Romney. Rudy Giuliani has warranted 78; John McCain 68; Fred Thompson 21.”


13 posted on 12/23/2007 2:48:20 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: tompster76
Liberal MSM reporter tells a witness that "you are wrong..MLK was elsewhere" what is the witness supposed to say? Who says MSM reporter with an agenda has it right instead of the witness who actually was there?

Never let FACTS get in your way. If you had bothered to go to the source and read the whole article you'd have found this.....

Romney did show up at a smaller march the following Saturday in the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Michigan to protest housing discrimination. But contemporaneous news reports show that King had left the Michigan area by then, and was traveling in the Northeast. On Friday, June 28, he was in Suffolk, VA, according to an Associated Press report published in the Washington Post. On Saturday, June 29, he addressed an AFL-CIO meeting at Rutgers University in New Jersey, according to the Chicago Tribune. (Cited by the Boston Phoenix here.) He spent the following day in Brooklyn, arriving by car in Harlem on Sunday evening, according to the New York Times.

14 posted on 12/23/2007 2:50:14 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: tompster76
so what is the story here?

There is no way the dems are going to let Obama be their candidate. This will most likely suppress the black vote in the main election. If Hillary doesn't carry the black vote she'll lose huge. To change this the old "Republicans are racist" gambit will have to be played to the hilt. To have a Republican frontrunner whose Republican father supported civil rights is a story that must be killed with fire.

15 posted on 12/23/2007 2:55:33 PM PST by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Yes, but this is not a fact. There are other, conflicting MSM reports from the 1960’s and these 2 independent eye witnesses who say otherwise. Besides, there were plenty of marches and not everything AP or New York Times says is true (or is it?).
Funny how AP and NYT are now the highest authorities if FR.
This is another DNC/MSM attack. They are clearly in panic.

Wall Street Journal:
“Democrats know it. Here’s an interesting statistic: Since the beginning of 2007, the Democratic National Committee has released 102 direct attacks on Mitt Romney. Rudy Giuliani has warranted 78; John McCain 68; Fred Thompson 21.”


16 posted on 12/23/2007 2:56:55 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: greyfoxx39
The date in question was June 29th, 1963. That's my birth day and Marty was at my house for the party, the Romneys were no where near, as they weren't invited.
17 posted on 12/23/2007 3:01:13 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: tompster76
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt - it's Mittbots when confronted with FACTS. Are you so jaded by Mitt's conspiracy theories that you put on a tin-foil hat by everything that the AP or the NYTimes prints? Oh, I guess they printed that MLK was at those places in 1963 so that when "Myth mispoke/lied in 2007 there would be a record that he was lieing.....sheesh!
18 posted on 12/23/2007 3:01:30 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: greyfoxx39

It seems Romney and Hillary have the same memory flaws, and the same flawed 1960’s acid flash-backs!


19 posted on 12/23/2007 3:02:32 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: bad company

“To have a Republican frontrunner whose Republican father supported civil rights is a story that must be killed with fire.”

Yes, this looks to be the case. In 2006, DNC had special operation derailing black republican candidate in PA (or was it OH). 2 assistants for senator Chuck Schumer were caught stealing the black candidate’s SSN and later convicted. Schumer denied involvement. Now they have similar operation. The fact that Romney’s father worked closely with MLK would be an absolute disaster for DNC/Hillary in a general election. It would be difficult to use “Romney is racist” attacks against him now.

Hillary had similar comments how she saw MLK (sometimes at age 14, in other stories she was 17 etc) but MSM is not interested in that. DNC will work on this and I’m sure they soon find witnesses who saw Romney in KKK meeting at the time of alleged MLK meeting.

This is the story DNC must push. Otherwise, they are doomed.


20 posted on 12/23/2007 3:05:13 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: tompster76
Are you making excuses for Romney's laundry list of prevarications?

The fact of the matter is that Romney lied about this, and when he tried to cover it up by bringing out a bunch of eyewitnesses, he did nothing more than make liars out of them.

Maybe this isn't that big of a deal, but it is a pattern with this guy. He can't be trusted. He is the republican version of Bill Clinton.

21 posted on 12/23/2007 3:05:42 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Ah, then we woul dhave Forrest Gump running against Chauncey Gardner. Georege Soros could step in and appoint his choice through ballot box stuffing of course.


22 posted on 12/23/2007 3:07:18 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Gentlemen, there's one hell of a man named Fred Thompson, that in my book is a real American and he needs your help . 

You should be ready to fight to defend the freedoms so many have given their all to protect and defend.  If you think you can sit back and ignore the danger to our nation or if you think you can just ignore it and it'll go away, well mister you're dead wrong.  Oh, and one other thing, these bastards we are fighting don't like you and never will like you.  They just want to kill you and your family for their Allah.  One other thing, some like ...what's his name ..Huckabuster or something like that...think if we will just talk with them we can make them our friends.  What a bunch of horse manure.

Now before it's too late, get up from that comfortable couch , pick up the phone and tell someone on the other end, you're not taking this crap anymore.  Call your state party officials, the NRA,, the Minute Men, or any other conservative group you can think of and tell them to get off their asses.  You want a real conservative for your commander and chief, no pansy ass liberals need apply.   Got it!

Me and some other real men are watching ,so don't screw it up


General George S. Patton Jr., Commanding 

   Get off you asses and get to work for Fred. 


23 posted on 12/23/2007 3:07:34 PM PST by glmjr
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To: glmjr

Democratic Governor Endorses Mike Huckabee

Instead we have conservatives lining up behind Mike Huckabee because he agrees with them on two issues - gay marriage and abortion - neither of which the president can do much about. And all the while they ignore his liberal history as governor of Arkansas. If Huckabee is a real conservative, explain this: Since he's running in the Republican primaries for president, don't expect Mike Huckabee to be advertising the strong endorsement he just got from Ted Strickland, Ohio's Democratic governor.

It seems Mr. Strickland, who typically racked up a 95% rating from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action during his 16 years in Congress, has discovered a kindred spirit in Mr. Huckabee. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer last Sunday that Mr. Huckabee is a "combination of conservative views in some ways, but very, almost liberal views in other ways." Mr. Strickland concluded: "Of all the Republican candidates, Mr. Huckabee would be my personal choice."

NOW,,, THERE SHOULD BE NOT DOUBT IN YOUR MIND....HUCKABEE IS LOVED BY DEMOCRATS.

God save us if he is actually nominated by the Republican party, or should I say "former" Republican party ..if that actually occurs. 

YOUR CHOICE                           This                         OR                                   This. 

                                                        

NEITHER IS A PRETTY PICTURE

24 posted on 12/23/2007 3:08:59 PM PST by glmjr
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To: Graybeard58

They couldn’t have come to your party anyway, I can tell from your home page that YOU DRINK WINE! ;)


25 posted on 12/23/2007 3:09:11 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (I SAW it with my own eyes...figuratively. Mitt Romney)
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To: greyfoxx39
 THE REAL CONSERVATIVE

                FRED THOMPSON

                

                 "Saddle Me Up"

26 posted on 12/23/2007 3:10:22 PM PST by glmjr
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To: 2nd amendment mama

“it’s Mittbots when confronted with FACTS. “

No, they were not facts. There are conflicting accounts. Some MSM references from 1960’s and 2 independent witnesses say one thing, and AP/NYT say otherwise. You are 100% sure that AP/NYT story is the absolute fact.

I don’t know what is the truth. I do know MLK and Romney’s father worked together, and at least one march they planned to attend together (but it was on Sunday so Romney did not attend) but there were many opportunities that to happen. Maybe some time they did march together. Maybe the dates are wrong, or NYT account is incorrect. In anycase, MLK and Romney’s father worked together and planned to march together. Whether their schedules did work out, that I don’t know. This is a nightmare for DNC/Hillary. Blacks are already angry about attacks on Obama and Romney as the republican candidate would doom Hillary. That’s why DNC/MSM is working overtime.

Wall Street Journal: Democrats know it. Here’s an interesting statistic: Since the beginning of 2007, the Democratic National Committee has released 102 direct attacks on Mitt Romney. Rudy Giuliani has warranted 78; John McCain 68; Fred Thompson 21.


27 posted on 12/23/2007 3:14:03 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: tompster76
You are 100% sure that AP/NYT story is the absolute fact.

Regarding the speeches/dates of MLK in 1963.....Yes. They had absolutely no reason to lie about where MLK appeared in 1963.

You are so desperate to believe "Myth" that anything contrary to your view is suspect and a plot to defame him. Get your head out of his butt long enough to breathe and wake up to the fact that he "stretched the truth"!

I know, the papers lied when they were covering MLK in the 60's just so supposed eyewitnesses could be defamed today....that's it....sure.

28 posted on 12/23/2007 3:40:51 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: greyfoxx39
I can tell from your home page that YOU DRINK WINE! ;)

Looks can be deceiving. I'm an alcoholic and haven't imbibed in going on 27 years. I think those are water glasses but that's a coffee cup in front of me and I understand that caffeniated coffee is verboten also.

My wife is the wino in the family, she and my youngest daughter usually have a glass or two around Christmas time.

29 posted on 12/23/2007 3:40:59 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: tompster76
You admit you don't know the truth, but Mitt is right in your eyes, truth or lie, huh? He stated in his speech, "I SAW my father march with MLK"...but that's enough for you?

You are dreaming with your theory that "this is a nightmare for DNC/Hillary. Blacks are already angry about attacks on Obama and Romney as the republican candidate would doom Hillary." LOL, we are supposed to believe that blacks are angry about attacks on Romney, who's church didn't become non-racist until 1978?

I hope your pay check from the campaign is a big one, you certainly are busting your butt trying to earn it.

30 posted on 12/23/2007 3:42:01 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (I SAW it with my own eyes...figuratively. Mitt Romney)
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To: tompster76
If Hillary beats Obama for the 'Rat nomination it might lead to a lower black turnout in 2008, particularly if the primary contest is close and Hillary has to get really, really dirty to beat Obama.

But no matter who the GOP nominee is, he'll get about 10% of the black vote. Romney won't pick up a single black vote for having a father who marched for civil rights. He'll still be called a racist, and he'll end up sounding like a RINO if he tries to "prove" otherwise.

31 posted on 12/23/2007 3:42:32 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Graybeard58

Well, too bad for the Romney invitation in any case then, right? ;) Congrats on the 27 years, that’s quite an accomplishment for you and your Higher Power.


32 posted on 12/23/2007 3:44:41 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: 2nd amendment mama

“Yes. They had absolutely no reason to lie about where MLK appeared in 1963.”

There are other MSM references (dating back to 1960’s) conflicting NYT story and stating that MLK and Romney Sr marched together. They had no apparent reason to lie either. 2 independent black witnesses showed up contradicting NYT story. (And NYT would have every motive to lie, because MSM is attacking Romney every way they can).

As I said, I don’t what is the truth but I know that MLK and Romney planned to march together and several sources claim that it did happen. What I do know, is that DNC/Hillary is attacking Romney every way they can. Romney would get a lot of black votes against Hillary.


33 posted on 12/23/2007 3:52:07 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: tompster76; Graybeard58; P-Marlowe
Lookie, lookie what I found......Okay...maybe you'll believe this resource. It's directly from the site, Rutgers, where he appeared on the weekend of June 27th, 1963. This isn't from "the liberal MSM"

The IMLR: Labor Education at Rutgers University, 1931-1981

The twenty-eighth Summer Institute, held on the weekend of June 27-29, 1963, featured Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., who was touring the country in support of the famous "March on Washington" that took place in August of that year.

34 posted on 12/23/2007 3:54:43 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Graybeard58; P-Marlowe; basil

Game, set, match - at least for this particular date...LOL


35 posted on 12/23/2007 3:56:53 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: jim35
Looks like the dimocRAT operatives are using a winning strategy going by the posts on this board. Called divide and conquer. Sorry just using your post an an example.
36 posted on 12/23/2007 3:59:14 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: 2nd amendment mama

as I said, there were several marches all over the country. MLK and Romney planned to march together, and I don’t whether their schedules actually allowed it. In anycase, several sources, including some MSM sources from 1960’s and independent african-american witnesses say they did march together.

This background would be disaster for Hillary and Romney would be well-positioned to take more votes from disgruntled blacks than Bush did in 2000. This would guarantee a win for Romney.

Wall Street Journal: “Since the beginning of 2007, the Democratic National Committee has released 102 direct attacks on Mitt Romney. Rudy Giuliani has warranted 78; John McCain 68; Fred Thompson 21. “


37 posted on 12/23/2007 4:00:47 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Game, set, match - at least for this particular date...LOL

Marty was at my b/day party on that date, Romney was not. That's my story and I'm sticking to it

38 posted on 12/23/2007 4:02:26 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: tompster76

You just keep on believing this delusion that Myth could take black votes from Hillary....


39 posted on 12/23/2007 4:03:03 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: greyfoxx39

"Say what...Mitt said what?"

40 posted on 12/23/2007 4:04:17 PM PST by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: tompster76
Romney would get a lot of black votes against Hillary.

Again, what in the world gives you this idea? What are you smoking?

41 posted on 12/23/2007 4:04:46 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: tompster76
Romney would be well-positioned to take more votes from disgruntled blacks than Bush did in 2000. This would guarantee a win for Romney.

How do you come up with this ridiculous theory? Head in the sand syndrome?

42 posted on 12/23/2007 4:06:09 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39
Romney would get a lot of black votes against Hillary.

greyfoxx39 - Again, what in the world gives you this idea? What are you smoking?

Hillary or Obama either one would beat Mitt to death with the "race card".

43 posted on 12/23/2007 4:08:28 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: greyfoxx39

Is Romney saying that his dad was for civil rights this big a deal? I mean, it’s not like he said, “I did not have sex with that woman”.

If you don’t like Romney, come up with something substantive.


44 posted on 12/23/2007 4:11:47 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: popdonnelly

“If you don’t like Romney, come up with something substantive.”

don’t bother hoping for that.
The game is simple. DNC/Hillary are in panic mode. Their attack ads are directed almost exclusively against Romney since they know he is the biggest threat. So their attack machine (liberal ragtags from Concord to NYT) prints BS stories which get distributed by frustrated fredheads.

In a way, I can understand fredheads. Their own candidate is polling at 3% (!) in key states, no money and no plan. This is pretty frustrating but distributing DNC planted BS stories from MSM helps a bit. I don’t know, if my candidate would be polling at 3% I would be pretty depressed myself.

Anyway, this is great news. Clearly, DNC feels Romney is unique threat and must be eliminated in primaries. Everytime liberal ragtag attacks Romney and it is posted here, Romney’s numbers go up. It is pretty good thing to be attacked by DNC.

Given the desperation of “3% club”, I’m sure these BS attacks against Romney go up in the coming days. Incidentally, so do Romney’s poll numbers.


45 posted on 12/23/2007 4:29:36 PM PST by tompster76 (Amnesty: No aspirations of citizenship to illegals - ever!)
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To: popdonnelly

Did you miss out on all the other threads on this subject?


46 posted on 12/23/2007 4:32:55 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: tompster76
This Hillary-MLK 'encounter' will bump the Romney thing off the scale :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1943505/posts

47 posted on 12/23/2007 4:37:36 PM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

Oh, so we have TWO of them lying about Dr. King.....interesting.


48 posted on 12/23/2007 4:45:01 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: 2nd amendment mama

It just keeps getting worse for Team Myth!


49 posted on 12/23/2007 4:46:19 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Forrest Gump for President!


50 posted on 12/23/2007 4:48:24 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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