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Paul: Country is moving toward fascism
The Hill ^ | December 23, 2007 | Klaus Marre |

Posted on 12/23/2007 6:44:53 PM PST by AmericanMade1776

White House hopeful Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Sunday that the U.S. is moving toward fascism, stating that corporations are increasingly “running the show” and citizens are being deprived of their liberties.

Paul clarified that he did not refer to the type of fascism that Adolf Hitler practiced in Germany. “We’re not moving toward Hitler-type fascism, but we’re moving toward a softer fascism,” Paul said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “Loss of civil liberties, corporations running the show, big government in bed with big business.”

The lawmaker said the U.S. is moving toward “corporatism.” He also lashed out at a system in which those are criticized as unpatriotic who do not support the war in Iraq or the Patriot Act.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911truth; endorsedbydu; imacommieronnie; moveondotorgcampaign; pauliistinian; repealsocialism; ronpaul; thedailykoscandidate
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

While I have my differences with Ron Paul, I cannot help but wonder why he is attacked even when he is right....

Anyone who is blind to the truth behind this statement (that the US is moving toward fascism) is blind. Have we not called the liberals known as the Democrat Party of being as much? Is our country not seemingly moving farther left into fascism?

1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

141 posted on 12/23/2007 10:56:06 PM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Prokopton

Reg. post 138 - Exactly. And that was a point I was trying to make, but I don’t think I made that clear in my last post. Thank you.

142 posted on 12/23/2007 11:04:48 PM PST by incindiary
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To: AmericanMade1776
Ron Paul also supported by White Supremacist.

Pretty silly statement, so was Bush.

143 posted on 12/23/2007 11:07:51 PM PST by niki
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To: Eva
ron Paul is right about the country moving toward fascism, but he’s got the wrong perpetrators. It’s the leftist elite and and top industry leaders who are forming the coalition to control the economy and the tax payers, not the right wing. The right wingers don’t have what it takes to control much of anything.

I don't want to speak for Paul, but I think you misunderstood him. He's not pointing the finger at the right, I don't think he's blaming one side or the other. The fact is, there are politicians in both major parties who are phonies - they call themselves Democrats or Republicans but they're actually globalists. I know that this sounds like conspiracy theory stuff to some, but I think what we're heading towards (I'm not saying this is in the near future, but it seems to be the direction we're going) is a socialist-corporatist, authoritarian world government. The bottom line is, it's getting away from our foundation, the constitution, and individual rights, and also national sovereignty.

144 posted on 12/23/2007 11:25:51 PM PST by incindiary
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To: Sudetenland

thank you for a very well composed answer. I will reserve more detailed comments until I wake up!

145 posted on 12/23/2007 11:47:01 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Steve_Seattle

Did he say that the president was the one doing the criticizing?

146 posted on 12/23/2007 11:52:04 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: AmericanMade1776

I happen to support Ron Paul. My second and third choices would be Thompson and Hunter. My fourth choice would have to be McCain.

I think that some of the critics of Ron Paul here on Free Republic should probably have focused their energies over the last few months on contributing to their favored candidates and/or volunteering for their favored candidates. I know that my 2nd and 3rd choices are the 1st and 2nd choices of Free Republic.

It’s unfortunate for conservativism that people here (supporters of Hunter and Thompson) have made the strategic decision to focus all their energies at coming up with clever nicknames for Ron Paul, to call him a kook, to speculate on the effect of a 3rd party Ron Paul run, etc, etc, instead of working hard for Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson.

Back in the day, Free Republic was mighty. Free Republic’s candidates won. Free Republic kept the Clinton’s in check.
I would have thought that the mighty Free Republic could have been able to help Duncan Hunter in some real tangible way.

I guess criticism of Ron Paul didn’t help Duncan Hunter as much as some thought.

147 posted on 12/24/2007 12:13:53 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: AmericanMade1776

Ron Paul is moving towards insanity.

148 posted on 12/24/2007 12:15:27 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: stockstrader

I think Paul supported mandatory term limits - those that applied to everyone, not optional, or voluntary term limits - pledges from a candidate that he/she would only serve a set number of terms.

Mandatory term limits didn’t pass. He didn’t pledge to limit the number of terms he himself would serve.

I understand how extraordinarily complex those ideas are, and I’m sure that you (and Russert) won’t be confusing legally mandated term limits (which Paul supports) with optional or voluntary term limits.

149 posted on 12/24/2007 12:24:52 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: stockstrader
*****I’d MUCH rather have corporations running the show rather than liberal, government bureaucrats.****

Corporations and liberal, government bureaucrats work hand in hand to eliminate the small businesses.

Government regulators, inspectors, etc. can kill a small business, but might lose their jobs if they go after a big business.

E.g., 30-40 years ago, most gasoline stations were mom and pop operations. Today, well over 50% are corporations. One reason gas costs about $3 per gallon today is the concentration in the oil industry. The big companies might take a public view of opening up Anwar, but really they want to keep the supply of crude tight and the cost high. If they really wanted it opened, they would be able to buy enough politicians to make it happen. How many Americans really give a crap about some area that maybe 100 people visit every year?

Today, 4 Waltons are in the top 10 richest Americans, but Walmart pays their employees a very small wage. Back in the 70’s, Sears was the largest retailer in the US, but they paid a lot of their employees the equivalent of $15 per hour today, plus benefits.

If you are not over 50 years old, you probably don’t realize how far our country has gone down.

150 posted on 12/24/2007 3:32:50 AM PST by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country -- Ron Paul)
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To: stockstrader
I'd MUCH rather have corporations running the show rather than liberal, government bureaucrats.

Paul hasn't suggested that as an option. Quite the contrary.

151 posted on 12/24/2007 3:47:51 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: traviskicks
“There was a time when the Republicans defended individual liberty and the Constitution and decreased spending.”

Ah, the good old days!

152 posted on 12/24/2007 3:53:07 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Is it too late to put him in the Donner Party? Not sure ..but what about the Blitzer Party?

Santa's just hooking up his sleigh now. Merry Christmas.

153 posted on 12/24/2007 3:58:56 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Steve_Seattle
"He also lashed out at a system in which those are criticized as unpatriotic who do not support the war in Iraq or the Patriot Act."

interesting he played the left wing martyr card here, where he could have talked about so many suppressions of freedom of expression on the right side of the political spectrum, especially regarding abortion and religion in the public square.

154 posted on 12/24/2007 4:02:23 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: theymakemesick
Let me see, the MSM is touting as "republicans" Trudy Juliani, Mitt Romney, 1st ammendment McCain, Huckleberry Hound. No thanks, I'll sit it out and let this ignorant electorate get the government it deserves! I'm tired of it.

Exactly...My question is, who let all these people into the Republican Party??? Or, what is the Republican Party???

It's not the party of conservatives...It's not the party of Pro-American Patriots...

The Republican Party appears to be the party of liberal pro-lifers...It's the party of 'money is my God' globalists, etc...

What can be more comical than to watch Republicans fighting over which liberal to support for the Republican nominee for President???

I got news for 'em...It don't matter...None of them can beat Hillery...

155 posted on 12/24/2007 4:34:46 AM PST by Iscool
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To: AmericanMade1776
“It is not just a suspicion, it is fact, George Soros has contributed to Ron Paul”

So what??? I wish he'd give a couple hundred mil to Hunter...

How much of the donations for the Rinos comes indirectly from China and Mexico???

At this point, I don't care if it comes from the Klingons, if it will put a conserative Patriot in the #1 slot...

156 posted on 12/24/2007 4:45:05 AM PST by Iscool
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To: TheBattman; secretagent

I don’t think the LP, then or now, would cotton to Ron Paul’s anti-business rhetoric. To couch his opposition to encroaching fascism in terms of corporate evil rather than government corruption, has more than a whiff of liberal batshit to me. (No offense there, Battman.)

For sure, not back in the day...when my parents were entertaining libertarian activists and discussing such issues while I was bouncing on some now-arthritic libertarian knee. :)

Maybe now they have some new generation that knows not Hospers and Rothbard; but I can’t believe they are now intermingling with anti-business or neo-luddite greens.
(Though one can almost hear Rand saying “You asked for it!”)

157 posted on 12/24/2007 5:34:21 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: Jabba the Nutt
"With this understanding and clarification, Ron Paul is correct. Government is regulating more and more and more. Regulated industries tend to capture the bureaucracies that regulate them, ie the drug industry influences the FDA, farmers influence the agriculture department."

Friedrich Hayek noted that we were headed down this path in his 1944 piece "Road to Serfdom". If anything, we have picked up the pace since then.
158 posted on 12/24/2007 5:47:21 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: AmericanMade1776

There are some things that Paul espouses with which I agree. However there are a number of issues where I’m so diametricly opposed to his views, I’ve been thinking about reclassifying myself from “small ‘l’ libertarian.”

One thing with which I will agree, is that the title of this thread is correct, but in economic terms only... In economics, fascism is defined government control of privately owned businesses. We’ve been seeing this more and more, with more government regulations. This is certainly the case. The rest, not so much...


159 posted on 12/24/2007 5:54:03 AM PST by MarkL
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To: tips up

Corporations have sold their souls and the soul of America. They HAVE taken over and every decision the gov’t makes is about corporate profits.
We have plenty of nothing in this country anymore - quality sucks, service sucks, and you can’t find well made products because they are made in China - cheap labor. We are a debtor nation and the world owns us.
No matter who is in the oval office makes no difference - taxes go up, prices go up, and things will continue as they have been. I do believe that there is an invisible controlling force, a few people controlling the finances on a global scale and we (America) are just one of the pawns. The housing debacle was by design by greedy corporations. You think 401k is a good deal? That was a cop out by corporations so they wouldn’t have to foot the bill paying retirement plans. Oh, and who works for corporations for longer than a few years? Many 401k’s don’t vest until after 5 years; they know this and that is why by design, people change jobs frequently.

160 posted on 12/24/2007 6:13:29 AM PST by Gotterdammerung
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