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Can Thompson's late effort pay off?
Gannett News Service ^ | December 23, 2007 | Williams Theobald

Posted on 12/24/2007 12:08:24 AM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball

Edited on 12/24/2007 12:43:32 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

Even his harshest critics would likely concede that Fred Thompson had a good campaign swing through Iowa this week.

But as he headed home to Virginia on Saturday for a three-day Christmas break before returning to Iowa for the second half of his Iowa bus tour, the question that this last-minute effort began with still stands.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: election2008; fredthompson; iowa; ourlasthope
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I really think Fred is going to surprise. I've read in several places that he's the 2nd choice of a lot of potential caucus-goers. Combine that with the fact that the Huckster is getting exposed as nothing more than a "protestant socialist" (to use another poster's phrase), and I think lots of folks are going to turn to Fred in the coming week.

I see a strong 2nd place finish, propelling him to a victory in South Carolina. From there, I see a knock-down, drag-out come Super Tuesday.

McCain and Huckster are RINO's. Guiliani won't get the social conservative vote. Romney is an illusion. Only Fred is a consistent conservative. NOT a PERFECT conservative...but he's 90% there.

He needs our support!

Hank

1 posted on 12/24/2007 12:08:28 AM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Fred has a tricked out bus.

Romney has a jet.

Paul has a blimp.

That’s so perfect, somehow.


2 posted on 12/24/2007 12:14:57 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Fred Thompson's Federalism is right on.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

I more than likely will NOT vote for Huckabee, but I am getting sick and tired of people spewing out terms, like “protestant socialist”, Baptist preacher, ect. like it was vomit in their mouth.


3 posted on 12/24/2007 12:20:34 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
Fred has got my vote in KS. I’m hoping Fred Thompson will be Reagan’s third term!
4 posted on 12/24/2007 12:24:52 AM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball


Thanks, Hank, Merry Christmas
5 posted on 12/24/2007 12:27:44 AM PST by Fred (The Demoroid Party is the Nadir of Nilhilism)
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To: Coldwater Creek
"I more than likely will NOT vote for Huckabee, but I am getting sick and tired of people spewing out terms, like “protestant socialist”, Baptist preacher, ect. like it was vomit in their mouth."

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I think you misunderstood the comment. The original context was a poster who said (I'm paraphrasing, but this is close): "We don't need two socialist parties; one secular and one protestant"

There's no criticism of protestantism intended (I'm protestant). The point is just that we shouldn't let our sympathy and respect for his religious convictions blind us to the fact that, aside from abortion and guns, he's just as far left as Hillary and Obama.

Hank

6 posted on 12/24/2007 12:27:59 AM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Well, really just plain Hank Kimball. Well, not "just plain" Hank Kimball, just Hank Kimball....)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball; Coldwater Creek

Indeed but many here have taken the opportunity to allow their own personal bias(s) against Southern Protestants to take on new life in their disdain for Huckster

hell, there are folks who just dismiss the whole state of Arkansas...

it’s the old it’s ok to bash Southern Christians thing here....

and the ignorance...many non Southerners here think Evangelicals are by default right wing and the same as Fundies and Charismatics....so ill informed


7 posted on 12/24/2007 12:39:04 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

I think Cleveland will win the Superbowl.


8 posted on 12/24/2007 12:40:24 AM PST by Soliton (Vote "next")
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To: Coldwater Creek
I am getting sick and tired of people spewing out terms, like “protestant socialist”..

Why, do you like Socialists? There are other sites where you might feel more welcom.

9 posted on 12/24/2007 12:44:38 AM PST by bluefish (Hey! Where did this come from?)
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To: wardaddy
Indeed but many here have taken the opportunity to allow their own personal bias(s) against Southern Protestants...

I personally don't have any bias against Southern Protestants, but I can readily admit that the floating cross ad really, really creeped me out. Can you imagine if Romney had tried to pull that off?

10 posted on 12/24/2007 12:47:28 AM PST by bluefish (Hey! Where did this come from?)
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To: wardaddy

I supported Fred until the attacks came on Huck. If you compare the two’s proposed platforms they are very similar. There records are different, but apples and oranges..you can’t compare a Senator to a Governor. You will find lots of self-proclaimed Christians here, but true devotion scares them. The difference between southern Fred and southern Huck is that everyone understands that fred is acting, Huck is the real deal.


11 posted on 12/24/2007 12:53:23 AM PST by Soliton (Vote "next")
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To: Coldwater Creek; County Agent Hank Kimball
...but I am getting sick and tired of people spewing out terms, like “protestant socialist”, Baptist preacher, ect. like it was vomit in their mouth.

The appellation "pro-life liberal" is probably more accurate.

12 posted on 12/24/2007 12:54:12 AM PST by jellybean (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=dailyfread Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: Coldwater Creek

The fact that he is a Baptist preacher does not outweigh the evil Socialist tendencies he has shown. Go back over just what he has said in his campaign in the last year and you will see a record of changed positions, wrong positions, and outright misleading. Ethics charges, his family problems, even his choice to speak at such an anti-Catholic church the Sunday before Christmas leave me wondering why he even attracts votes.

Thompson, for example, is equally pro-life. If you don’t believe me, look at Huckabee’s stance on abortion at the beginning of the campaign... he wanted the issue sent to the states. Only when Thompson gave that as his answer did Governor Huckabee change his position. Thompson doesn’t have near the baggage. Even Governor Romney takes better stands on most things now than Governor Huckabee.


13 posted on 12/24/2007 1:00:22 AM PST by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his recent Liberal Definitive Stands.)
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To: Soliton
Why do you believe Huckabee is beyond criticism? Or that his record shouldn't be questioned?

If Fred were acting, he'd tickle your ears and tell you what you want to hear not what he believes. I actually find it quite telling that the only actor in the race is the only one who's not acting!

14 posted on 12/24/2007 1:05:34 AM PST by jellybean (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=dailyfread Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: Soliton

Boy, I don’t I could disagree with you much more in that one short paragraph of yours.

Their stated platforms since the beginning of the presidential race are not that close to each other, and Fred’s is so much better defined than Huck’s that the latter may as well not exist.

Their records are vastly more different and clearly point to Fred being almost completely conservative and Huck being frighteningly liberal.

I’m one of those evangelicals that Huck is trying to talk to, and he could not be much farther off the mark with me than he is. I would not want him for a pastor or a president.

Also IMHO, Fred is doing a lot less acting in front of the camera than the other candidates have been, and a whole lot less lying.

Put me down in Fred’s column.


15 posted on 12/24/2007 1:08:05 AM PST by Advil000
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Are you there on the ground there in Iowa ?


16 posted on 12/24/2007 1:14:47 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: jellybean

Huck isn’t beyond criticism, but calling him Huckleberry, Gomer Pyle, Huckster etc. is childish and indicative of a prejudice against southern culture.

Fred and Huck’s STATED positions are almost identical. Criticisms of Huck are based on his past and not on his platform. Please go to his site and then criticize his positions.

I am not saying that Fred is acting conservative, just that he is acting like a Southern Christian and people are more comfortable with faux Christians than real ones. Fred is a Hollywood facsimile.


17 posted on 12/24/2007 1:18:44 AM PST by Soliton (Vote "next")
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To: jellybean
Those who are against Fred tend to forget that he was a politician, lawyer well before he became a actor, and he brought down a corrupted governor.
Fred has had extensive experience in our government intelligent agency committees, government oversight committees, fought against government waste and and tried at least to hold government accountable.
18 posted on 12/24/2007 1:24:29 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Soliton
Fred is a Hollywood facsimile.

You are mking this up slander entirely out of your own prejudices. It really reflects rather badly on your own credibility.

19 posted on 12/24/2007 1:26:15 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: Coldwater Creek
but I am getting sick and tired of people spewing out terms, like “protestant socialist”, Baptist preacher, ect. like it was vomit in their mouth.

A Protestant Baptist socialist running for president should put a taste of vomit in your mouth. Huckabee has never met a tax he didn't like, supports socialized medicine (see SCHIP), supports shutting down military prison camps that house and detain terrorists, thinks man has caused the earth to warm.......and will tell you that you are un-christian if you don't agree with him.

20 posted on 12/24/2007 1:34:02 AM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: Soliton
Huck is the real deal.

I've got some prime swampland real estate in Arizona to sell you...or perhaps you would be interested in buying a historic bridge in Brooklyn?

21 posted on 12/24/2007 1:50:22 AM PST by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: NautiNurse

Near Yuma, I hear? ;)


22 posted on 12/24/2007 1:55:01 AM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
My secular and staunchly sister-in-law is convinced that she’ll leave the country if Huckabee is elected. You’ld think that Taliban was about to overrun the country as fearful as she was.

Hillary wants to run against Huckabee because his fear factor will rally the secular progressives like nothing else.

23 posted on 12/24/2007 1:55:47 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Thompson Democrats)
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To: Soliton
I think Santa is on the way.. I will caucus with her tonight
24 posted on 12/24/2007 1:55:55 AM PST by primatreat ( Hold political and scientific idiots responsible by taking there money and glory away!)
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To: Soliton
Huck forsook the gospel ministry to become a politician, though he retains the title of minister, he is not one. That is not devotion, let alone true devotion!

He is a theological social gospel liberal seeking the kingdom of this world. Both his misapplication of the Bible and his political socialism reflect this. He is not “evangelical” or he would still be preaching not campaigning.

25 posted on 12/24/2007 1:57:43 AM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold)
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To: Soliton

“I supported Fred until the attacks came on Huck. If you compare the two’s proposed platforms they are very similar.”

Um, you’ve -got- to be kidding. They’re not even -remotely- similar. They’re not even on the same planet, except on abortion, and even there, why doesn’t Huck taking tens of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from the biggest stem cell researching company in the world bother you? It sure bothers me.

Qwinn


26 posted on 12/24/2007 1:59:34 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Soliton
Criticisms of Huck are based on his past and not on his platform.

When did his positions change and why?

Fred's positions have remained constant throughout his political career. He doesn't have to twist word meaings or try to redefine conservatism to fit his platform.

...just that he is acting like a Southern Christian and people are more comfortable with faux Christians than real ones. Fred is a Hollywood facsimile.

That's an interesting thing to say considering one of the slams against Thompson is that he doesn't go to church often enough. If Fred were putting on a faux Christian costume, it would have been easy for his to start carrying a Bible and showing up at church every Sunday. He didn't do that because that's not how he lived his life prior to starting the campaign. If he'd suddenly altered his routine to include church on Sunday, you'd have better luck making the case.

27 posted on 12/24/2007 2:13:50 AM PST by jellybean (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=dailyfread Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: Soliton
Fred and Huck’s STATED positions are almost identical. Criticisms of Huck are based on his past and not on his platform. Please go to his site and then criticize his positions.

There's a huge problem here. Fred has been a consistant conservative. That can hardly be said for Huckabee. There is nothing conservative about jacking up taxes, supporting socialized medicine (see SCHIP), joining the Global Warming© alarmists, calling for the shutdown of military detainment centers for terrorists, and rattling off propoganda that could seriously pass off as a discounted MoveOn.org ad in the NYTimes.

28 posted on 12/24/2007 2:18:16 AM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
McCain and Huckster are RINO's. Guiliani won't get the social conservative vote. Romney is an illusion. Only Fred is a consistent conservative. NOT a PERFECT conservative...but he's 90% there.

I had a conversation with my very lib bro-in-law. He laughed about Hillary being a total joke but strongly supported McCain "as a true moderate who did whatever it took to get the job done."

I thought it was an interesting statement. I honestly believe our primary process has been heavily corrupted by liberals who have either lied to pollers on their political affiliations or actually registered to vote as republicans in the primaries.

It's really the only explanation I can give for filthy RINOs getting such polling results. I don't know any republicans who are actually voting for them, so far their support seems to come from the left.

29 posted on 12/24/2007 2:19:31 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: jellybean
If he'd suddenly altered his routine to include church on Sunday

In that case wild horses couldn't drag me to vote for him.

30 posted on 12/24/2007 2:20:47 AM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: Soliton
Watch the Marjo Gortner film on Evangelical charismatic preachers and get back with me on the acting statement.

ROFLMAO

31 posted on 12/24/2007 2:21:49 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: Soliton
I supported Fred until the attacks came on Huck. If you compare the two’s proposed platforms they are very similar.

Absurd.

32 posted on 12/24/2007 2:21:55 AM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 47% negatives)
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To: wardaddy
hell, there are folks who just dismiss the whole state of Arkansas... it’s the old it’s ok to bash Southern Christians thing here....

LET'S GET 'EM - LOL!

Most of my family is from Arkansas. The single consistent thing they continue to repeat is don't vote for anyone from Arkansas. My mom used to work in the state house when she was a PYT in the 50's. She said it was like a constant track event where you had to continually run away from all the lechers. She left after an exceptionally short time of this, disgusted.

Malvern, Little Rock, Hot Springs, Ouachita...I'm from Memphis myself, though. Good folks all over up there.

33 posted on 12/24/2007 2:26:51 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Soliton; John Valentine
I am not saying that Fred is acting conservative, just that he is acting like a Southern Christian and people are more comfortable with faux Christians than real ones. Fred is a Hollywood facsimile.

Comment:

ROFLMAO

Nice to know that we Southern Christians are not real Christin material.

You might want to get down on your knees and ask God just how (FAUX) we Southerners are in how we treat our commitment to God and country.

If you have any smarts you would ask half of FR to forgive you for such an inane offending statement.

34 posted on 12/24/2007 2:31:20 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: verklaring

Excellent comment.


35 posted on 12/24/2007 2:34:13 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: jellybean
Fred's positions have remained constant throughout his political career. He doesn't have to twist word meaings or try to redefine conservatism to fit his platform.
And his positions are consistent with a conservative view of the US constitution that is shared by only one other candidate: Duncan Hunter.

All the others, including Huckabee, fail to demonstrate even the slightest understanding of the relationship between a conservative view of the US constitution and the entire concept of American Liberty.

36 posted on 12/24/2007 2:36:03 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Soliton
I supported Fred until the attacks came on Huck.

Exactly what 'attacks' has Fred made on Huck. The only things I've seen coming from Fred about his opponents is making sure the voting public knows exactly what the other candidates have done, or have stood for in the past. Using your opponents words to make your point is not an attack, it's simply informative.

37 posted on 12/24/2007 3:01:54 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Soliton
I am not saying that Fred is acting conservative, just that he is acting like a Southern Christian and people are more comfortable with faux Christians than real ones. Fred is a Hollywood facsimile.

I think you have the wrong person who's acting like a Southern Christian. Fred has stated strongly that though he is a Christian, and a believer, he's not bringing that up in the race, because that's a private matter, and he won't pander to the voters in that way. To me, that's a breath of fresh air!

As far as the variations on Huckabee's name, there are folks here who've done that, but it wasn't Fred.

38 posted on 12/24/2007 3:07:01 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Soliton

What Huckabee STATES and what he has DONE are sometimes different things. Since we have certainty about his actions, I think that’s what most folks would assume he would DO again, no matter what he says to try to get elected.


39 posted on 12/24/2007 3:09:21 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: GOPyouth
" And will tell you that you are un-christian if you don't agree with him. "

Just like the Mitt Bots would say, that if you disagree with them, your are a bigot.
40 posted on 12/24/2007 3:19:51 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

I’m for Hunter or Thompson. But if Thompson loses this thing, it can be blamed on his failure to simply endorse the Human Life Amendment and the Federal Marriage Amendment. All he had to do was say, “yes, I support those amendments”. They aren’t a matter for the president to have to deal with, so why not just endorse them and move on? Instead, by opposing them he made a lot of people wonder about his commitment to pro-life and pro-family causes and that allowed Huckabee to exploit those concerns.

I understand the states’ rights argument on those issues, but there’s no constituency for it. People either think human life and traditional marriage are worthy of constitutional protection, or they support Roe vs. Wade and would like to see a similar ruling forcing same-sex “marriage” on the whole country. Nobody wants to see a situation where same-sex “marriage” is legal in Illinois but illegal in Indiana. That would lead to government and businesses in Indiana constantly being dragged into court over some issue arising in the neighboring state. Or where there are twenty abortion mills in Camden, NJ to “service” women from Pennsylvania, where abortion has been banned.

States’ rights will simply never work on those two issues. It would have been fine for Fred to say, “We don’t have the votes right now to pass those amendments, and they’re really outside the scope of the executive branch, but I want to foster a positive culture which will start us down a path which will eventually lead us to a society where life and family are once again sacred”. But he didn’t and he may lose the nomination because of it.


41 posted on 12/24/2007 3:53:58 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Soliton
Huck is the real deal.

Nope! Just another hick from Hope.

42 posted on 12/24/2007 3:57:34 AM PST by jslade (People who are easily offended......OFFEND ME!)
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To: Caipirabob
You are right on target about the primary process being heavily corrupted by liberals that have lied to pollers or actually registered to vote as R’s. IMO this has been a loosely organized effort since before the 2004 elections. A close friend, a heavily involved Democrat x Office Holder changed his registration in 2004 to vote for the weakest R's in the Primary. Current evidence is the Huck-abloom and the total blacklisting of Fred and Hunter....I think the Left will do anything and everything to Win in 2008. Never ever trust the Left D-Rats all!
43 posted on 12/24/2007 4:11:22 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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44 posted on 12/24/2007 4:37:56 AM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: iopscusa

When I was very young, and involved as a volunteer for the bad guys (forgive me), one of the things I did was organize voters in certain precincts in an open primary state to vote Republican and vote for the worst of the electable candidates on the slate, not so much to ensure that the dummy would win the primary, but to try to knock off the best candidate. We called the practice “plinking,” but I am not sure if that terminology is still current.


45 posted on 12/24/2007 4:46:37 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: Soliton
While one candidate has been consistent the other has had to change his platform to accommodate the primary voter. Huck, Mitt and Rudy have all done so.

Rudy, Mitt, Fred, McCain, even Duncan Hunter have been mocked or ridiculed in one way or another on FR, they all have supporters and detractors. If you actually supported Fred, how does Huck now getting his from freepers change your vote? Can Huck not handle the scrutiny? Look back on the personal attacks on the rest of the candidates.

Rudy= gay loving adulterer.

Mitt= phony slick lying flip flopping Mormon.

McCain=traitor to his party, back stabbing, illegal loving Rino.

Fred= lazy old pervert robbing the cradle with his trophy wife.

Huck= self righteous liberal preacher from Hope.

46 posted on 12/24/2007 4:52:07 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: puroresu
All he had to do was say, “yes, I support those amendments”. They aren’t a matter for the president to have to deal with, so why not just endorse them and move on? Instead, by opposing them he made a lot of people wonder about his commitment to pro-life and pro-family causes and that allowed Huckabee to exploit those concerns.,/p>

Then he would not be Fred, and he would be lying to make people happy. He would simply be pandering.

I thought we were trying to avoid that, indeed it appears we have more than enough of that from some others in the race on both sides.

If there was truly a question of Fred's dedication to life, he would not have received the endorsements from the Right to Life groups.

47 posted on 12/24/2007 5:15:11 AM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: bluefish

I got one for ya.How about romney trying to pass himself off as a conservative and doing it with a straight face. Talk about creeping somebody out.


48 posted on 12/24/2007 5:15:31 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Soliton

Interesting....


49 posted on 12/24/2007 5:16:51 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Soliton
The difference between southern Fred and southern Huck is that everyone understands that fred is acting,...
From this comment alone, everyone who reads it knows that you never supported Thompson. Why pretend? Your credibility, on this topic, is zero.
50 posted on 12/24/2007 5:22:36 AM PST by Clara Lou (Thompson '08)
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