What does your Bible say about suicide? I don't recall anything in the New Testament. 
Posted on 12/28/2007 12:12:40 PM PST by wagglebee
Thats what happens when you get in a rush to go pick up the kids.
Sorry but it did turn into a mess.
I post this to you but it also concerns all the others who have posted to me doubting my sanity, they’re coming to take me a away he he haw haw ho ho
I have a really good friend down at the health club, Jimmy is an avowed homosexual man and a workout friend. He is extremely smart and knowledgeable about many subjects. I state Jimmy’s lifestyle because many homosexuals have pulled away from fundamental Christianity. Also, Jimmy works with with my wife on various psychiatric studies she performs for the university.
Sometimes we talk about various subjects and one of those is how he justifies his current lifestyle with his fundamentalist Christian upbringing. Jimmy likes to have this discussion because he knows that I disagree with his lifestyle. He tells me that he changed his beliefs and how he views Christianity when he met Bobby his partner. He states that he and Bobby believe in the new form of liberal Christianity taught at the All World Church of Science (Not real name but close) that started up several years ago.
Jimmy tells me that the King James Bible I read is full of inaccuracies (Shiite actually) and is for mostly older narrow minded people truly ignorant of the religious beliefs now accepted in the world.
I picked the following off the Internet for Jimmy and it closely resembles what I was taught as a boy in various Protestant churches about suicide. Of course Jimmy stated that the web site was the ranting of an ignorant hillbilly fundamentalist. I will post some of it here and you can make your own judgment:
href=”http://www.behindthebadge.net/suicide/s92.html";
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(1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) [16] Don’t you know that you yourselves are Gods temple and that Gods Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys Gods temple, God will destroy him; for Gods temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
(Psalm 39:4 NIV) Show me, O LORD, my lifes end and the number of my days; let me know how fleeting is my life.
(Psalm 139:15-16 NIV) [15] My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, [16] your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
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“You might be asking what those two have to do with suicide, they don’t even talk about death. Yes they do. Both of them talk about God knowing how long your life will be. How does God know? He knows because it is up to Him to decide. When a person kills them self, they are playing god in their own life. They are taking the decision away from God. Now I ask you; is that a sin?
Individual writing to web site:
Where exactly in the bible does it say that killing yourself is a sin? I know killing others is a sin, but I can’t find where it says killing yourself is. Killing someone else against their will is not the same as willingly giving up your own.
I accepted Jesus (again) in my heart wed night, had a little peace until I read in the bible that God doesn’t take away problems, just gives hope and strength. Well, I am one giant problem and a thousand little ones. Hope and comfort just won’t cut it. Always had this fantasy of meeting God at the gate and convincing Him to just make me cease to exist, no heaven, no hell, just nothing.
I found your website not too long ago, I was surfing the net for humor sites, wasting time until things were set to go. Then I found yours. Made me stop what I was doing. Isn’t that a riot? Bet you have helped a lot of people. Been reading the bible, but it just occurred to me that only murder of another person is a sin. I can’t find anywhere in the bible where is specifically says suicide is a sin, can you?
Will wait for your answer.
Web site:
You said you accepted Christ again wed. evening. That is great, but what did you accept? Did you accept Him as Lord and Savior of your life? Or did you accept Him as genie in the sky who will take care of all your problems? You are right, God will not instantly do away with all your problems. Some He might do that with, but that is not what He offers us. He does offer hope and comfort, but much more than that. Part of your problem seems to be that you have no idea what life is suppose to be about. It is not about having fun and being comfortable, it is about having a relationship with God. Until you have that close relationship you will not be able to know what Gods purpose for your life is. I can’t tell you what it is, because I don’t know, but I do know that He has a purpose for you. Maybe that purpose is to clean toilets in the subway and witness to the homeless people there. Or maybe it is a much different purpose. I don’t know, but I know that if God did not have a purpose for your life, you would not take in another breath.
See God is not powerless to kill you. He can take you life any time He wants to, so if you live another day, it is because God has ordained it. It is time you got your eyes off of yourself and onto Christ and see why He wants you on this earth. But make no mistake, you can claim the passages I quoted don’t mean anything, you can claim that God will welcome you into heaven even if you kill yourself, but you would only be fooling yourself. You cannot play God for a fool. He gave you life and it is up to Him when you die. If you make the decision with a clear mind to kill yourself, you have rejected Christ.”
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Just the lowly opinions of a red state wannabe so FLAME AWAY if you so desire folks.
Happy New Year to you and yours.
What does your Bible say about suicide? I don't recall anything in the New Testament.
See my post at 42.
So, I really don’t understand your reasoning. Might just be a fundamental theological difference.
Yes, murder is sin. Although I’d be cautious of calling all suicide a sin, I could see that being true. However, I really don’t see how killing yourself is worse than killing another man. Yes, it is a sin, but it seems to me (a young Calvinist) very strange that our salvation depends on such an arbitrary thing as whether you commit a sin the day before you die or the moment you die. My belief is “once saved, always saved.”
So, yeah, probably not too much we can really discuss, if we disagree on that basic premise of how sin and salvation works.
I'm against suicide, and I believe that if you tell someone else to kill you in any way, that is suicide. I think everyone has a set of experiences, some very hard, that we are charged by God to endure or celebrate. Suicide is the sin of not doing what God has charged you with doing.
But, Biblically, Jesus said that the only unforgivable sin is that of blaspheming or speaking against God. I don't think removing yourself from the body fits that bill, more like shirking your duty
I have precise problem with assisted suicide, though, politically. Once a third party is involved by permission, it's a short time until the government is involved by legislation. Especially in a government that runs a welfare system.
As a baby boomer I hear younger people say why do we have to pay for your sins of greed when it comes to a shrinking environment.
I have even heard some speculate that maybe we need a law that once an older 70 to 80 years person reaches a certain age limit or has a major medical problem without hope of recovering to a normal life style then the government should consider euthanasia.
That kind of thinking would certainly put a crimp into my plans to live to a ripe old age.
Do not pass Go, do not collect 200 dollars...so to speak. However as someone once said we cannot exclude that God could touch their heart and let them repent of it before the poison kills them. That is however a large risk to take...
It is my belief that I do not have the right to end what God has put on this earth.
Just because I personally think that my life stinks does not necessarily mean that God still dosen’t have a use for me somewhere down the line.
Suppose for a moment that someone that God really loves has gotten off the beaten path and is screwing up and needs to be redirected.
God may say I am going to keep Okiedoc around and use him to influence so and so’s life.
But instead I go out and commit suicide thereby taking away the use of me by God.
It’s a deep subject and thats how I feel about taking away a decision on whether I live or die from my maker.
I have been in several life and death situations and wondered later why I survived and for what reason.
Was it just the roll of the dice that kept me alive each time or was it the prayers that brought me through each horrendous situation.
Well if it was a roll of the dice, that brings up a bigger question, who made the universe and who caused the big bang?
Personally, I am going to cover all bases, like the scared Shiiteless young atheist in the fox hole.
Happy New Year to you and yours.
This is just the opinion of a red state wannabe.
I was raised Catholic. Back then, we were taught suicide was a mortal sin that led to eternal damnation. Suicide was a sin according to the commandment, “Thou shalt not kill.” Suicide is killing yourself. We were taught it is the same as murder.
As for the eternal damnation part, well, that’s probably debatable depending on whether you’re Catholic or Protestant. And the Catholic Church’s position today may differ from its stance 30-some years ago when I was a child in Catholic school.
Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. med. Brandt are instructed to broaden the powers of physicians designated by name, who will decide whether those who have - as far as can be humanly determined - incurable illnesses can, after the most careful evaluation, be granted a mercy death.
/signed/ Adolf Hitler
Yep, it’s pretty obvious that Oregon physicians are wiping out folks at the same rate and for the same reasons that Hitler did. Thanks for the incredibly relevant post. /s
The role of physicians in causing death to those who are disabled does, however, have a historical precedent, and I think it is extremely relevant.
We just went through the same situation with my father this past year. When I was pleading with one doctor, I said exactly what you just posted: that "hope" is so important. My father just wanted a chance.
My dad did everything the doctors told him to. They promised him that following surgery, he would be treated for his cancer. The surgery went wrong, and he ended up with a life-threatening infection. For months, he fought the infection and miraculously survived. But, by then, the doctors said the cancer had spread too far and it was too late to treat him. He was devastated. We refused to give up on him. We argued and argued with the doctors. My dad pleaded with the doctors to try something. He just wanted to be given the chance he was promised. They all refused.
Finally, months later, we found two doctors willing to try a treatment, however slim the hope, and - guess what - the hospital's ethics committee tried to stop them. So we ended up fighting the so-called "ethics" committee. Finally, he was given one treatment, but by then it was far too late, and he passed away.
This is the way things are today: Hospitals and doctors are willing to fight for your right to refuse treatment and to die. But, they won't fight for your right to try a treatment. They'll fight to deny you that right. That's been our experience.
my mom layed there for almost 3 months, waiting to die....if nothing else, I wished we had a 24/7 prayer group at her bedside, praying for a miracle....anything to make her feel that we still wanted her and we still had hope....
I usually defend doctors, but in both my mom's and dads' case....it's impossible...
One or two of these cases is an obvious botched situation. The one where the nurse took things in her own hands is similar to cases that have happened in almost any state. It’s criminal, but has nothing to do with the Oregon law. Dr. Gallant obviously acted outside the law. The fellow who took the dose and didn’t die from it means nothing at all in this discussion.
I’m sorry about your loss, too. What’s important is that we were there to hold their hands when they reached out to us. In the end, that’s what really matters.
Yep. The slippery slope is a real thing.
Oh, yes, I am impervious to the sarcasm and insults I noted by posters on this thread.
Heh.
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