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Iowa Caucuses - Results Live Thread
January 3, 2008 | xjcsa

Posted on 01/03/2008 12:08:45 PM PST by xjcsa

Edited on 01/03/2008 7:30:11 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

I thought the time was right to start up a live thread for results and comments about tonight, so here we are!



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2008; biden; caucus; caucuses; dodd; edwards; elections; fred; fredthompson; giuliani; gravel; hillary; huckabee; hunter; ia2008; iowa; keyes; kucinich; livethread; mccain; mikehuckabee; obama; paul; richardson; romney; thompson
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To: rurgan
Are you for very limited government, property rights, free speech rights, individual rights, freedom, capitalism, the free market, stopping illegal immigration, deporting illegals, limiting immigration from the 3rd world, against abortion, against socialism , against big government, for only a low flat tax, for gun rights, but above all for capitalism like I am?

Wow. I think I'm in love....
301 posted on 01/03/2008 2:45:19 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: getitright

You are right and in fact the farm in back of my place has a nice group of cows that comes by every now and then.

I guess I really did offend them, because they are gentle and unassuming animals, nothing like the Hildebeast !

So for all you great cows out there. Moooo and please forgive me !

BTD


302 posted on 01/03/2008 2:45:27 PM PST by Beatthedrum
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To: dan1123
Whatever reason you are shilling for Huckabee is NOT worth the destruction of the United States and the drastic lowering of your living standards. I hope you can see that . if you can't then read the links below to see the Huckster's real record:

Huckabee is not only for Amnesty for illegals but also he is for chain Amnesty .

Huckabee will give Amnesty to 30 million illegals and then allow those 30 million to bring to the U.S. 100 million of their relatives . That would turn America into a 3rd world socialist hell hole. Who cares if this Huckster says he is a Christian and says he is pro-life when he will destroy America and what’s left of the Republican party?

Huckabee is not only for Amnesty but for chain Amnesty. What does it matter that the Huckster says he is a good Christian and pro-life when Huckabee will turn the U.S,. into a socialist state where we will all be starving?

Mike Huckabee is a socialist/liberal, pro-Amnesty, pro-illegal immigrant, tax-raising, false prophet. Someone should tell Huckabee and the Democrats that socialism doesn't work. Look at the U.S. government schools, USSR, Cuba, N Korea, Eastern Europe as examples that show socialism doesn't work.

Mike Huckabee. The Socialist From Arakansas. CofCC.org Newa Team

(by Kyle Rogers)

The NEA is a radical left wing teachers association. They aggressively oppose homeschooling, are hostile to parochial schools, and advocate federalizing the curriculum of all public schools. As Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee passed a law that added major restrictions to the Arakansas Homeschool Rights Act passed by Bill Clinton, making Arkansas one of the most hostile state to homeschoolers outside of the Northeast. Homeschoolers in Arkansas had more rights when Clinton left office than when Huckabee left office.

Was Mike Huckabee “just like Bill Clinton?” Maybe, but some would actually say he was to the left of Bill Clinton. As Governor of Arkansas, Huckabee’s tax and spend record greatly exceeded former AR Gov. Bill Clinton. He even wanted to tax the internet.

Mike Huckabee is to the left of even Sam Brownback and John McCain on immigration. He claimed God wants us to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. As Governor of Arkansas he advocated letting illegal aliens vote.

While Huckabee is now lying and saying he is dedicated to fighting illegal immigration, his record is clear.

Fact #1. As Governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee denounced an immigration bill (Arkansas Senate Bill 206) that “would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and would have required state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally.” (Doug Thompson, “Immigration Bill un-Christian..governor says”Arkansas News Bureau 1/28/05)

Fact #2. As Governor, Mike Huckabee offered a proposal to give state funded scholarships and state benefits to illegal aliens. (Laura Kellams, “Huckabee Plan would give aid to illegal aliens” Arkansas Democrat Gazette 1/12/2005)

Fact #3. Governor Huckabee supported the McCain-Kennedy Senate Amnesty bill for illegal aliens. Huckabee claims to know God’s position on the Amnesty Bill, and that God supports it. Huckabee has repeated called opponents of illegal immigration “racists” and/or “bigots.” Read Article. , Read Article #2

Fact #4. Governor Huckabee refuses to sign the “No Amnesty Pledge”.

Huckabee Begs For New Taxes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4

Huckabee Caught Lying About His Tax Hikes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYrGlfkvRV0&feature=related

Huckabee is a pro-illegal, pro-Amnesty, tax raising, big government loving, socialist/liberal, violent criminal pardoning, terrorist appeasing, false prophet. In other words Huckabee is really a Democrat.

Under no circumstances will I ever vote for this liberal/communist con man.

The Huckster Huckabee or Hillary will let in hundreds of millions of 3rd world socialist illegals.

The Huckster or Hillary will surrender to Iran and let Iran build a nuclear arsenal.

The Huckster or Hillary will raise taxes and increase the size of government putting the U.S. on the road to socialism which will destroy our way of life, destroy our economy, destroy our civilization.

If you think I'm exaggerating look at Huckabee's record and into the dangers of socialism.

But hey , the idiot Huckster lies and says he is pro-life so that makes all of this ok huh? P> Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005609.html

Christians Need To Beware Of Mike Huckabee

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071102.html

While Gov. of Arkansas, Huckabee was AGAINST proving citizenship in order to register to vote. He called those who were in favor of this “racists”..

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_lz1e18perkins.html

Huckabee fought hard to kill an Arkansas bill which would have cut off social services for illegal aliens. Huckabee called the bill, “anti-Christian” and “un-American”...

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

Huckabee supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens...

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/03/11/News/318458.html

Huckabee’s opposition to the illegal aliens bill:

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000718.html

Chuck the Huck and deport this traitor:

303 posted on 01/03/2008 2:46:19 PM PST by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: dan1123
I agree Duncan Hunter has the strongest record when it comes to illegal aliens. However, IMO Thompson and Romney are "seeing the light." I would be so happy if either Hunter or Thompson would win.

Huckabee is far worse than Mitt and about equal with Rudy and McCain. Huckabee/Rudy/McCain are now the only ones who are truly pro illegal aliens, amnesty, and oppose a fence. Huckabee would be the easiest for any Democrat to defeat. This is why MSM is pushing him - even The New York Times.

304 posted on 01/03/2008 2:46:40 PM PST by Dante3
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To: xjcsa

I’ll be there but am still undecided on who to pick. I’ll probably wait until the last minute. I’ll be getting there early to hear all the speakers.


305 posted on 01/03/2008 2:46:44 PM PST by rossusa
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To: Miss Didi; dschapin
I can't tell you how many of you supposedly "pro-life" FReepers are so short-sited about what a POTUS can do about abortion...(the following isn't meant to be any limitation about what a POTUS can do & say...but I had to cut it off somewhere, starting with a call for Rush to repent!)...

The real question is: If you consider yourself a pro-lifer, & if others you've had online or offline pro-life convos with haven't mentioned what follows, maybe you need to begin to realize how anemic their political advice is...

RUSH: ...yet we want to do something about abortion prior to that then it's about changing minds and hearts. There are several ways of going about doing that, and one of the ways is not wagging your finger in people's faces and telling them they're sinning or telling them they're wrong, you're just going to seal their resolve against you. I think we're in the process of changing minds and hearts. I think abortion figures are falling. I think as generations grow and change, there's a greater repugnance attached to the whole practice.

Rush is just plain wrong on this. In fact, Ronald Reagan himself proved him wrong. Reagan came out with a book during his presidency called Abortion & The Conscience of a Nation.

Now, was that, as Rush claims, wagging his finger in people's faces and telling them they're sinning or telling them they're wrong? (A BIG NO!!!). Did Reagan, by doing that, just wind up seal[ing] their resolve against pro-lifers? (Another NO!!!)

Rush goes on to say: I think we're in the process of changing minds and hearts. What? Wasn't that what Reagan did through the advent of that pro-life book? Wasn't Reagan changing minds & hearts?

(Rush needs to repent over this oversight)

And, Miss Didi, before you cited the above, you also cited this from Rush--also wrong:

RUSH...We've talked about abortion on this program countless times, the sanctity of life and how it is the root of many things. But in terms of electing a president, there are a couple things the president can do about abortion, one of them substantive, the other is somewhat ephemeral. The substantive thing that a president can do about abortion is to nominate judges, primarily Supreme Court justices. That's it. Now, a president can lead, a president can try to inspire and motivate, change hearts and so forth, but, in a substantive way, there's not much a president can do about abortion...But I also don't want anybody to misunderstand what a president can actually do about it and how far a president can actually take the issue. It's about judges...

Besides the example of what Reagan did above, there's at least another avenue in which pro-life presidents have attempted to make a difference, and that's through cutting off some of the funding of the abortion industry. We've had examples where the POTUS has, thru the Mexico City policy, directly taken on the funding of the international abortion industry.

Reagan established the policy in 1984; Bush reinstated it in 2001 after Clinton rescinded it in 1993. Here's a White House press release on the subject:

MEMORANDUM FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT SUBJECT: Restoration of the Mexico City Policy

The Mexico City Policy announced by President Reagan in 1984 required nongovernmental organizations to agree as a condition of their receipt of Federal funds that such organizations would neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations. This policy was in effect until it was rescinded on January 22, 1993. It is my conviction that taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions or advocate or actively promote abortion, either here or abroad. It is therefore my belief that the Mexico City Policy should be restored. Accordingly, I hereby rescind the "Memorandum for the Acting Administrator of the Agency for International Development, Subject: AID Family Planning Grants/Mexico City Policy," dated January 22, 1993, and I direct the Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development to reinstate in full all of the requirements of the Mexico City Policy in effect on January 19, 1993. (Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20010123-5.html )

I believe a POTUS can also reduce the amount of funding of the domestic abortion industry as well, since it accumulates funds from so many different "Title" programs & other Uncle Sam donations of our tax $.

306 posted on 01/03/2008 2:47:34 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: xjcsa

Romney’s going to win in Iowa - not by as comfortable of a margin as he originally expected to, thanks to Huckabee’s annoying surge. But he’ll win it. What Romney doesn’t have in the telephone poll results his organization will easily make up for on the ground. He’s got the GOTV organization, etc. that Huckabee can only dream about. I think we’ll see the results of that tonight.


307 posted on 01/03/2008 2:47:35 PM PST by Spiff (Charter Member of the Free Republic Romney Resistance)
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To: The_Reader_David

The Huckester is not Religious, he is Sanctimonious


308 posted on 01/03/2008 2:47:54 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: CottonBall

I am too , If you are a female that is, lol.


309 posted on 01/03/2008 2:48:01 PM PST by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: magritte

Scripted and secretive are the best two words to describe Hillary’s campaign.

The other thing that happened today was that she showed up in the press bus with coffee and bagels — the first time she has ever (since her campaign began) deigned to visit the press. According to Hannity, she passed out a few goodies and then left as quickly as she arrived, but left the press corps buzzing.


310 posted on 01/03/2008 2:48:12 PM PST by CedarDave (The only access Hillary-care will bring is access to a waiting list.)
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To: JenB

(I’m sure you will be thrilled to hear that I have decided I approve of your choice of husband. LOL)


311 posted on 01/03/2008 2:51:04 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: NYC Republican

Why is 5% his threshold if you consider him a 1% candidate?

What if Hunter wins the only contest between Iowa and New Hampshire?


312 posted on 01/03/2008 2:51:12 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: dan1123

Actions mean more than words. As governor, Huckabee raised taxes, and supported a program to provide scholarships to illegal immigrants. He also helped establish a Mexican consulate in Little Rock,to make Arkansas more appealing to low-wage Mexican immigrants.


313 posted on 01/03/2008 2:52:04 PM PST by bw17
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To: xjcsa


RUSH: Huckabee Is No Ronald Reagan; There Is No Reagan in the Race
314 posted on 01/03/2008 2:52:45 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: xjcsa
Interesting story about Richardson:

No Longer Inevitable Or Invincible (Bill Richardson throws Hillary under the bus)

People have long speculated that Bill Richardsons' floundering presidential bid only served the purpose of making him a viable VP option for Hillary Clinton. Last night, however, he may have damaged those prospects -- while potentially improving them for another potential primary winner. Richardson instructed his caucusers to support Barack Obama if he fails the viability test in any precinct, rather than with Hillary (via Memeorandum):

Gov. Bill Richardson's campaign is expected to direct their supporters to caucus for Sen. Barack Obama in the second round of voting at Thursday's caucuses in precincts where he is not viable. Two sources familiar with the plan told Iowa Independent that the New Mexico Governor's organizers have been instructed to direct supporters to Obama in the places where they fail to reach the 15% threshold for viability.

Richardson, whose poll numbers in Iowa have hovered near 10% since June, may need a solid fourth-place finish in the caucuses to continue his campaign. And he is best served by directing support away from former Sen. John Edwards, who consistently polls between him and the two national front-runners, Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton, in national and early state polls.

But Richardson's modest gains from diverting second-choice support away from Edwards may be eclipsed by Obama's potential success on caucus night, should everything go as planned. If Richardson's field organization manages to direct a significant number of supporters to Obama, it could be enough to win him the Iowa Caucuses.

315 posted on 01/03/2008 2:53:46 PM PST by CedarDave (The only access Hillary-care will bring is access to a waiting list.)
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To: CedarDave
Good gravy, that is a pathetic attempt at brown-nosing, isn't it?

HEADLINE:
Queen Hillary mingles with little people, brings bagels...
316 posted on 01/03/2008 2:53:55 PM PST by magritte
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To: RecallMoran
Why does every conservative I know love Thompson but he isn’t doing as well in the polls as I hoped?

Because lying to pollsters has become the norm...;)
317 posted on 01/03/2008 2:54:11 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: dan1123

NumbersUSA said that FRed has one of the best records on immigration of the frontrunners.


318 posted on 01/03/2008 2:54:40 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: Beatthedrum

“Hillary Clinton has 5,000 people prepared to give rides this time.”

Yeah, and if you don’t vote for her, a Kennedy drives you home.


319 posted on 01/03/2008 2:55:24 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: Miss Didi


Again: No Endorsements Here

Paul Shanklin: Doubletalk on the Wild Side
320 posted on 01/03/2008 2:55:25 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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