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Iowa Caucuses - Results Live Thread
January 3, 2008 | xjcsa

Posted on 01/03/2008 12:08:45 PM PST by xjcsa

Edited on 01/03/2008 7:30:11 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

I thought the time was right to start up a live thread for results and comments about tonight, so here we are!



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2008; biden; caucus; caucuses; dodd; edwards; elections; fred; fredthompson; giuliani; gravel; hillary; huckabee; hunter; ia2008; iowa; keyes; kucinich; livethread; mccain; mikehuckabee; obama; paul; richardson; romney; thompson
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To: Sola Veritas

I’m a conservative evangelical.

I think Huckabee is a disgrace, and brings shame on Christianity.


501 posted on 01/03/2008 4:16:58 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: acsrp38

“Letting criminals out of jail is not a conservative position.”

Believing in the redemption (reclaimation) of people is consistent with conservative evangelical Christianity. Will a person be fooled at times....yes.


502 posted on 01/03/2008 4:17:01 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: tet68
Huckabee supporters = Huckabites.

giggle....I'll jave to remember that one...scribble scribble....
503 posted on 01/03/2008 4:17:15 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: Sola Veritas

Jim & Tammy Baker, other TV shyster preachers and some of the mega church preachers have been in deep legal problems over the years.
We don’t need one in the White House.


504 posted on 01/03/2008 4:17:57 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: Sola Veritas

1300 times?


505 posted on 01/03/2008 4:18:17 PM PST by acsrp38 (to dems: NUTS!!!)
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To: Sola Veritas

The Bible is big on people having to face the consequences of their actions.

Huckabee has NO RIGHT to run around releasing criminals to make himself feel good, all the while endangering the public.


506 posted on 01/03/2008 4:19:06 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: acsrp38
1300 times?

NITPICKER! ;-P~~~~~~~~~

507 posted on 01/03/2008 4:19:27 PM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: SoCalPol
AS a devout Orthodox Judeo Christian, I don’t want a President ozzing out his religion. It is important they have moral values period. The Evangelicals will be surprised to learn Keyes is a Roman Catholic and many Catholics don’t agree with him as he is wound to tight with his general beliefs.

(Yeah, isn't just terrible when you can't check or control other folks' spirituality...like the POTUS & Keyes examples you mentioned? We need more bouncer-enforcers of other folks' spirituality like you) [sarc squared]

508 posted on 01/03/2008 4:19:45 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: rurgan

Well, yes I am. Female, that is.

You’d be surprised how many posts I’ve gotten implying I’m a male - with a name like Cottonball! Weird.

I’ve been accused of trying to be too macho too. Again, I don’t think I’d chose ‘Cottonball’ as a screename if being macho was what I was seeking.

What do you think?


509 posted on 01/03/2008 4:20:14 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: Sola Veritas
Rush will loose audience.

He will only lose those that don't listen to him.

510 posted on 01/03/2008 4:20:25 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Sola Veritas

You’re (intentionally) confusing spiritual redemption with liberal, judicial (attempted) reclamation.


511 posted on 01/03/2008 4:20:27 PM PST by Cedric
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To: StAnDeliver

“Seriously, SV, don’t lose perspective here — Rush has been stable at 14M for the past five years.”

That is true, but he has never denigrated someone liked by evangelical moral conservatives before. IF Huckabee doesn’t slide into obscurity, so that he remains a major public figure, then Rush’s comments will hurt him. I predict a 10% or better drop in listeners, IF Huckabee doesn’t fade, and Rush keeps denigrating him.


512 posted on 01/03/2008 4:20:44 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: roses of sharon
"Mr Huckabee is not a victim of religious bigotry of any kind, do not try to make him so."

Actually, in my case, he is. As a conservative Christian I deeply resent his representations that he in any way could represent us. This was confirmed in spades with his "bunker mentality foreign policy" rant. Smelled something funny before, identified the carcass then and there.

513 posted on 01/03/2008 4:20:52 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: Sola Veritas
Huckabee is the MOST conservative on MORAL issues. To a GREAT many that register as Republican, that is the MOST important thing

Are you calling for a Theocracy?

514 posted on 01/03/2008 4:20:54 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: xjcsa
Republicans:

1.Mike Huckabee

2. Mitt Romney

3.Fred Thompson

4.John McCain

5. Ron Paul

6. Rudy Giuliani

7. Duncan Hunter

8. Alan Keyes

Democrats:

1. Barack Obama

2. Hillary Clinton

3.John Edwards

4. Bill Richardson

5. Joe Biden

6. Chris Dodd

7.Dennis Kucinich

8. Mike Gavel? Is he still in the caucas?

vaudine

515 posted on 01/03/2008 4:21:07 PM PST by vaudine (RO)
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To: xjcsa

Wow just saw this thread- started early!! Haven’t read the comments but here is my take: The news media has gone all out for this caucus in Iowa. It has completely exhausted me already. I am sick of the whole bunch of candidates and all of the talking heads.
I declare that whatever happens tonight ends the whole election process. Take whoever wins and go with it for goodness sake.


516 posted on 01/03/2008 4:21:12 PM PST by mojo114 (Happy New Year!)
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To: Sola Veritas
Are you and your acquaintances aware that a President cannot simply issue an Executive Order outlawing Abortion?

Are you and your acquaintances aware that if the Justices ever get around to repealing Roe V Wade, that merely returns the issue to be decided on a state by state bases, it does not outlaw Abortion?

Are you and the other Huckabees aware that about the only thing a President can do about Abortion is appoint good judges? That all other remedies must come either from the Courts or the Congress?

517 posted on 01/03/2008 4:21:24 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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To: Petronski

Thanks, taking calls now.


518 posted on 01/03/2008 4:22:06 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( UNITED BY OUR CORE BELIEFS Fred08)
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To: Politicalmom
I’m a conservative evangelical. I think Huckabee is a disgrace, and brings shame on Christianity.

Why do you think so many evangelicals are supporting him? Is it because they don't really know who he is yet or do they know, but don't care because his being Christian is more important than his stance on the issues?
519 posted on 01/03/2008 4:22:16 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: Cedric

Steady Cedric, it’s going to be a long night!


520 posted on 01/03/2008 4:22:32 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Round up the Dark Horses, boys. This herd of contenders ain't makin' it.)
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To: Sola Veritas

They can be a “Christian” in jail.

Christ said “today you will be with me in paradise” not to the theif who tried to use him to get out of the sentence, but to the other.

Paul and Silas did not escape from prison after the earthquake. They remained and became a witness to the jailor.

Redemption and forgiveness does not mean punishment is suspended.


521 posted on 01/03/2008 4:22:49 PM PST by acsrp38 (to dems: NUTS!!!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Bob Dole.

Dang it...I have too many replies going...what was this in response to? Thx
522 posted on 01/03/2008 4:22:57 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: Colofornian

The Huckester type arn’t religious, they are sanctimonious as some on this thread


523 posted on 01/03/2008 4:23:04 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: Yaelle

Bill Clinton was a Rhodes scholar.
He may have also had a Fullbright scholarship; I don’t recall that one.


524 posted on 01/03/2008 4:23:06 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: CottonBall
Is it because they don't really know who he is yet or do they know, but don't care because his being Christian is more important than his stance on the issues?

yes and YES.

525 posted on 01/03/2008 4:23:09 PM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: mojo114

Bookmarking to come back later when there are some actual results...


526 posted on 01/03/2008 4:23:12 PM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: proud2beconservativeinNJ
Another one of the non-story stories that the MSM runs over and over

Chris Wallace had a RatherTM "fake but accurate" moment about that story this evening . I about blew my top. Mary Matalin accurately put him in his place- told him he sounded just like Dan Rather lol.
527 posted on 01/03/2008 4:23:41 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: MNJohnnie

“People better be careful. The Clinton people are the best organized. I think rumors of her demise may be premature.”

You may be right. It’s harder to choose the pecking order for the Dems, as I don’t have as good a feel for them, not being one. And Billary do have a very good organization. We’ll find out soon enough how this will all play out.


528 posted on 01/03/2008 4:23:56 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: CottonBall

I think they look at the surface veneer and don’t dig further.

They forget that Clinton carried a big ol’ Bible into church right before he did...other things.


529 posted on 01/03/2008 4:24:01 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

;)


530 posted on 01/03/2008 4:24:12 PM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: CottonBall

that’s funny. I’ve been accused of being male a time or two on FR as well. Always amusing.


531 posted on 01/03/2008 4:24:46 PM PST by petitfour
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To: CottonBall

You’re too macho!


532 posted on 01/03/2008 4:25:13 PM PST by PureSolace (God save us all)
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To: RockinRight

“Fred Thompson, BTW, gets 100% on this same test.”

Sorry, Fred is only a moderate on Abortion and Homosexuality. His federalism is a liability on those issues. Proably why he never got the attention of conservative evangelicals.

Also, Huckabee has from the get go said we are in a world war with Islamofacists. That doesn’t sound weak on the WOT.


533 posted on 01/03/2008 4:25:20 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: SoCalPol
The Huckester type arn’t religious, they are sanctimonious as some on this thread (he/she said sanctimoniously, with elevated eyes peering down on the less "elite" in this thread)
534 posted on 01/03/2008 4:25:20 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: xjcsa

Alright, I’ve found the thread. Settling in for a good one tonight.


535 posted on 01/03/2008 4:25:32 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
He wants to finish the job in Iraq.

Sounds like Captain Obvious to me.

536 posted on 01/03/2008 4:26:06 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: MNJohnnie; Sola Veritas

Johnnie — exactly

BTW — what did Huckabee do about abortion when he was Governor?? Did he try to challenge the courts?? States can make laws you know .

Coservatives also believe in the 10th Amendment. It defines the first 9


537 posted on 01/03/2008 4:26:11 PM PST by acsrp38 (to dems: NUTS!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I tried to explain all of that to a Huckabee supporter last night and amazingly - the conversation ended - no response. I guess understanding the constitution and the court system aren’t pre-reqs for choosing a candidate even if the main issue is one of constitutional law.


538 posted on 01/03/2008 4:26:32 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: MNJohnnie

I absolutely agree, don’t underestimate Clinton.

I believe she will win and knows it. This is a total set up.

Obama is counting on young people like Dean did. They won’t show in the numbers he needs on a Thursday night in Iowa.

She has 5000 vehicles and drivers picking up senior citizens. They will be ready at the door.

I think she wins IA and is a walk to the nomination.


539 posted on 01/03/2008 4:26:32 PM PST by terilyn
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To: Colofornian

You prove my point


540 posted on 01/03/2008 4:26:55 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: CottonBall
Why do you think so many evangelicals are supporting him?

Because they are confident that we are in a culture war, and that Huckabee is on their side.

They're voting the candidate -- as most voters do -- rather than a laundry list of issues.

541 posted on 01/03/2008 4:26:58 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Sola Veritas
He said he was not conservative. To conservative evangelicals that is a serious insult. Rush will loose audience. Loss of audience means loss of money.

Only if the most important thing to 'conservative evangelicals' is the man's faith. If his faith overrides everything thing else he's done and voted on, then they are using one issue to guide their votes. Huckabee certainly hasn't ruled or governed as a conservative.

I can't see Rush's audience being that unthinking. Some maybe, but not enough to make a difference.

And Rush finally sticking up for conservative principles might bring back all those that left listening to him when he was the GOP waterboy during the amnesty debacle of the last Republican congress.
542 posted on 01/03/2008 4:27:34 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: MNJohnnie

I agree, what a freaking setup. Her organization will clean house and she will be, get this, the SURPRISE.

Well, actually, I think ole Edwards has quite an organization too.


544 posted on 01/03/2008 4:27:41 PM PST by commonguymd (Move it to the right -Vote for Fred. Filler' up at www.fred08.com)
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To: Sola Veritas
No, What Thompson has tried to do is explain the legal realities about Abortion. What the Huckabees are doing is tuning out all facts in the mistaken belief that all their pet dogmas can be imposed by Presidential decree. No they cannot. Our system does not work that way
545 posted on 01/03/2008 4:28:12 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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To: xjcsa

Iowahawk is liveblogging the caucus. This should be good.


546 posted on 01/03/2008 4:28:15 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I am female myself, as my name clearly demonstrates.
Your hypothesis doesn’t work for me, to say the least.


547 posted on 01/03/2008 4:28:55 PM PST by La Enchiladita
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To: JohnnyZ
They're voting the candidate -- as most voters do -- rather than a laundry list of issues.

That's too bad. It's that 'laundry list' that shows a man's character.
548 posted on 01/03/2008 4:29:14 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: cahome
I understand this site to be somewhat anti-Rudy, but he is who I will be voting for in the Primaries. And I’m in battle ground state. Just curious for a unbiased opinion on his chances for getting the nom, overall.

IMO his chances are slim to none. He doesn't have the resources to mount a national campaign, and the national lead in the polls he long had has slipped little by little, a trend that will only accelerate as Rudy loses the first couple states.

549 posted on 01/03/2008 4:29:23 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Right_in_Virginia; Sola Veritas
Are you calling for a Theocracy?

(Hey, I've got news for you...God already indeed runs a theocracy...He just doesn't rely upon any mere men to run it...And when He does elect to utilize men (plural) as a small part of that process, no solo man can take credit for that)

Other than that...tell us...how long have you had this phobia about God being Master of the Universe & all parts thereof?

550 posted on 01/03/2008 4:29:24 PM PST by Colofornian
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