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A Hard Loss for Romney (He's all but doomed now)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ ^ | Jan 4,2008 | By John Ellis

Posted on 01/03/2008 11:39:37 PM PST by Maelstorm

A Hard Loss for Romney By John Ellis

It's one thing to lose as you are. What you lose is an election, but there's always another election and in the case of presidential primary politics, a new electorate that awaits you in the next state. It's another thing to lose as you aren't. Mitt Romney was never the 700 Club right-winger his campaign managers conceived. He was and is a man of business and a very capable one at that.

He's all but doomed now. Senator John McCain will beat him in New Hampshire, probably by a lot, and Romney's media coverage will evaporate and his candidacy will consequently die. On January 9, his managers will walk in and say that the campaign needs $10 million or $15 million to continue and that he, Romney, will have to write the check. Everyone who would contribute has maxed out. Everyone who might won't. Two-time losers don't get new money. It's a basic rule of politics.

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1 posted on 01/03/2008 11:39:38 PM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm
I dont think Romney drops till AFTER NH
2 posted on 01/03/2008 11:41:41 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Maelstorm
He's all but doomed now. Senator John McCain will beat him in New Hampshire, probably by a lot, and Romney's media coverage will evaporate and his candidacy will consequently die

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

3 posted on 01/03/2008 11:43:15 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Maelstorm

Music to my ears. He’s nothing but a slimy gun grabbing RINO.


4 posted on 01/03/2008 11:44:12 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Maelstorm

I have said if we wanted a businessman in chief we would have Donald Trump

We need a Comander in Chief and Mitt doesn’t qualify.


5 posted on 01/03/2008 11:47:27 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: taxcontrol

I dont think Romney drops till AFTER NH,”
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They expect to do well in NH, but SC...that is a horse of a different color.


6 posted on 01/03/2008 11:47:31 PM PST by cowdog77 (I'm a Christian first, conservative second, and Republican third.)
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To: taxcontrol

I don’t care when he drops, as long as he drops.
I just hope he sticks around long enough to destroy that other liberal fraud, the Huckster.


7 posted on 01/03/2008 11:48:14 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Maelstorm

The only pleasure I got out of the results tonight is that Romney and Hillary were beaten.

Big time.

Iowa voters are still sorta dumb. Not dumb enough to fall for Romeny but dumb enough to go for Huck.


8 posted on 01/03/2008 11:48:15 PM PST by JRochelle (I support Mitt Romney, figuratively speaking of course.)
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To: Maelstorm
What the Romney campaign offered was obeisance.

All he offered was flip flopping.

9 posted on 01/03/2008 11:48:21 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Maelstorm

Here’s hoping McCain finishes him off in New Hampshire. Willard is not only a RINO but a lying and flip-flopping one.


10 posted on 01/03/2008 11:48:26 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Maelstorm

If Romney goes, the race is over.


11 posted on 01/03/2008 11:49:06 PM PST by americanophile
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To: Maelstorm
I won’t believe it till I see it.
12 posted on 01/03/2008 11:50:21 PM PST by Little_GTO
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To: Ol' Sparky
Willard is not only a RINO but a lying and flip-flopping one.

You can interchange the phrase "The Huckster" with "Willard" and the sentence is still just as accurate!
13 posted on 01/03/2008 11:50:27 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: JRochelle
Iowa voters are still sorta dumb. Not dumb enough to fall for Romeny but dumb enough to go for Huck.

Yeah, they really staked their claim to irrelevance tonight. They drank the Huckster's Jesus juice? Sheesh. Maybe Fred should have done a tent revival, complete with rattlesnakes. Those wacky Iowans would have LOVED that....

14 posted on 01/03/2008 11:53:48 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Maelstorm

“He’s all but doomed now. Senator John McCain will beat him in New Hampshire, probably by a lot, and Romney’s media coverage will evaporate and his candidacy will consequently die.”

Whom does he endorse? More importantly, who benefits from his supporters?


15 posted on 01/03/2008 11:55:41 PM PST by Grunthor (Known to cause insanity in lab mice.)
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To: taxcontrol
John Ellis is a contributing columnist to RealClearPolitics. In his day job, he’s a partner at Kerr Creek Partners, a venture capital firm.
Ouch. Going after one of their own.
 
16 posted on 01/03/2008 11:56:06 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: Ol' Sparky
I doubt Mitt will go quietly. He'll throw up millions of dollars of attack ads, plus more dirty tricks, and widespread advertisements in Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Nevada, just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something sticks.

Romney is obsessed with being elected President and he will not accept defeat gracefully. The Romneys are OWED the Presidency that was stolen from George Romney, it's his birthright, he's done everything right, he WILL have it, it is HIS, his precioussssssss.....

17 posted on 01/03/2008 11:57:23 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Lancey Howard
Maybe Fred should have done a tent revival, complete with rattlesnakes. Those wacky Iowans would have LOVED that....

You kid(?) but yes, I think Iowans would have liked a tent revival c/o Fred.

18 posted on 01/03/2008 11:58:34 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Lancey Howard

I’ve heard it suggested — Thompson-Hunter ticket. Whadda you think?


19 posted on 01/03/2008 11:59:19 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: JRochelle

I can’t agree with you more. He was a sham candidate even more so than Huckabee. When will the GOP elite learn that it takes more than being good at business and slick looks to be electable in Republican politics. John Ellis hits the nail on the head. Romney like his religion leaves one thinking “why?”.
What is the point?

We have electable conservative candidates that had they a third of the money he blew in Iowa they would be riding high. I don’t think Mitt is out until after Super Tuesday but he will receive pressure like he has never received when he loses NH and South Carolina.

Hillary’s loss was sweet wasn’t it? Obama will be a difficult one to campaign against but a brave candidate can do it. Romney could not and I don’t believe Huck could. (He’d get too caught up saying nice things about him and down playing liberal and conservative differences) Thompson, McCain and Rudy are the only ones who have the temerity to go after him.


20 posted on 01/03/2008 11:59:35 PM PST by Maelstorm (A candidate that does not believe America is the best country on earth need not apply.)
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To: Maelstorm
That photo makes Mr. Romney look like the love child of Howard Dean and John Kerry. However, the hand gesture is pure Bill Clinton describing the attributes of a chesty intern.
21 posted on 01/04/2008 12:00:55 AM PST by Blue Collar Republican (3 fingers of Jim Beam in a dirty glass)
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To: Maelstorm
Ye folks of liltte faith!


Mitt Romney will be the next President
after the Roller Coaster RACE is over!

22 posted on 01/04/2008 12:02:09 AM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Maelstorm

Fixed it.

23 posted on 01/04/2008 12:05:11 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Grunthor

I think everyone benefits from his supporters but primarily Thompson and McCain. Mitt supporters just aren’t really compatible with Huckabee. I do think they are more practical than Huckabee supporters would be. Someone needs to deconstruct Huckabee. Rush has tried to do it gently but he has failed because he isn’t attacking in the right weak spot.
He needs to attack Huckabee’s Baptist credentials because that is where he is getting his core support. He is not getting it because of his policy ideas.


24 posted on 01/04/2008 12:05:31 AM PST by Maelstorm (A candidate that does not believe America is the best country on earth need not apply.)
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To: JRochelle
Iowa voters are still sorta dumb. Not dumb enough to fall for Romeny but dumb enough to go for Huck.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pretty shrewd planning.

And then there is the Arkansas connection. Hillery could very well have planned to lose in Iowa to get this dynamic rolling, with large numbers of Hillery supporters registering as Republicans to vote for Huckabee.

As usual, when the Clintons are involved, we can always assume the worst, and those assumptions are usually right.

Iowans are not dumb, but the consensus is that they are. Iowans may have simply followed a game plan with Bill Clinton calling the strategic shots in the background.

25 posted on 01/04/2008 12:05:45 AM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: JRochelle
Iowa voters are still sorta dumb. Not dumb enough to fall for Romeny but dumb enough to go for Huck.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

A lot of Hucks voters were actually democrats who had changed their registrations to Republican, according to anecdotal evidence. But the dems only show their voters by percentages in Iowa, we do not get the numbers. The dems pushed Huckster, so that the nations swing voters will assume that the religious right is trying to take over the country.

Pretty shrewd planning.

And then there is the Arkansas connection. Hillery could very well have planned to lose in Iowa to get this dynamic rolling, with large numbers of Hillery supporters registering as Republicans to vote for Huckabee.

As usual, when the Clintons are involved, we can always assume the worst, and those assumptions are usually right.

Iowans are not dumb, but the consensus is that they are. Iowans may have simply followed a game plan with Bill Clinton calling the strategic shots in the background.

26 posted on 01/04/2008 12:06:29 AM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: JohnnyZ

Most of the pundits are saying that McCain was a big winner in Iowa because of Romney’s loss. However, I believe McCain has suffered a bit of a setback because of Obama’s huge Iowa victory.

Obama’s win will likely cause most New Hampshire independents to choose a Democrat ballot instead of a Republican one. I still think McCain is the favorite to win New Hampshire, but it could be very close.


27 posted on 01/04/2008 12:06:40 AM PST by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: Grunthor

I don’t think Romney will endorse anyone.
He’s had really nasty, personal battles with just about everyone. And he can’t very well endorse anyone that he’s called a liberal. So taking both of these points into consideration, that leaves just Fred, Ron Paul, and None of the Above.


28 posted on 01/04/2008 12:06:41 AM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: Maelstorm

I think Mitt will win NH or be a very close second there, unlike Iowa.

Also with a lot of endorsements in SC, Mitt would do well there.

So it is quite premature to write Mitt Romney off.

When it comes to super tuesday, I am not sure Mitt can do that well, I still think Giuliani might do quite well on super tuesday to get the nomination.


29 posted on 01/04/2008 12:07:03 AM PST by GregH
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To: Candor7
You are the Spalding Grey of Conspiracy theories.
30 posted on 01/04/2008 12:11:15 AM PST by Blue Collar Republican (3 fingers of Jim Beam in a dirty glass)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell
Obama’s win will likely cause most New Hampshire independents to choose a Democrat ballot instead of a Republican one.

I don't know that that's the case.

I still think McCain is the favorite to win New Hampshire, but it could be very close.

McCain was leading in New Hampshire even before Mitt got his butt kicked in Iowa. The big question is if Mitt will even be 2nd in New Hampshire -- he could conceivably be passed by Huckabee and RON PAUL!

31 posted on 01/04/2008 12:11:50 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: GregH

Mitt can only pull it off in NH if he attacks both McCain and Huckabee hard and relentlessly and I just don’t think their is enough time. The most he can hope to do is catch Huckabee off guard at the debate Saturday. He needs to do something to throw off Huckabee’s nice guy image. Provoke him. I don’t know what would do it but then again I’m not running the Romney campaign. He also needs to get McCain to blow his top.

The way to do that with Huck is to find a way to question his Baptist credentials provoking him to attacking Romney’s Mormon ism. It would be risky but it would definently provoke a reaction. If I were him I’d simply call McCain and I’d make the true allegation that McCain supported amnesty. Then when McCain replys with “He never has supported Amnesty” I’d call him a liar in the nicest way possible by saying “John, you know that just isn’t true.”.

I don’t know debates are never guarantees. I’d like to see Mitt leave the race quickly so we can get on to dismantling Huckabee.


32 posted on 01/04/2008 12:16:12 AM PST by Maelstorm (A candidate that does not believe America is the best country on earth need not apply.)
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To: Maelstorm

Did Romney really spend $8 million in Iowa as Ed Rollins claimed? Hard to believe. And also, why would Mitt “have” to drop out after NH, since the guy is worth around $400 million?


33 posted on 01/04/2008 12:16:50 AM PST by montag813
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To: Maelstorm

Ahhh... thank you Huckabee suppoters in Iowa for stomping Romney out of existence. You’ve done the GOP a great favor.

Regards,
Star Traveler


34 posted on 01/04/2008 12:16:54 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Maelstorm; JohnnyZ

I just had more joy after I read this. The arrogance of the Romney camp is astounding.


Huckabee’s convincing victory was as if Bain Capital had lost a takeover bid to George Bailey. For many at Romney’s somewhat subdued “victory party,” the idea that such a rational and well-researched plan could be upset by, as one woman put it, “a country sleaze” simply did not compute. Mitt Romney’s concession was just being announced on CNN as precinct captains shook their heads. Some exclaimed, in the same polite sub-profanities that Romney might use: “Bull!” “Darn!” Somewhere, perhaps, even, “H-E-double hockey sticks!” Told that Fox News had just made a similar announcement, viewers were adamant: “Then Fox News needs to have its head examined!”

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1700130,00.html


35 posted on 01/04/2008 12:18:32 AM PST by JRochelle (I support Mitt Romney, figuratively speaking of course.)
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To: Maelstorm

I think Mitt will win NH. We got Fred running well and he will suck up some McCain votes. I’m happy that Fred kept McCain at 4th place. We got 5 days to knock some sense into NH and I am sure Mitt will beat McCain in a close race. Once we get NH, by that time McCain and Fred will run out of media and money and everyone will wakeup and realize that only Mitt stands between them and Huck.


36 posted on 01/04/2008 12:19:23 AM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: JohnnyZ

Polls mean nothing. Most people hang up when called by a pollster and evangelicals tend to not be comfortable giving ANY information over the phone. The question is whether or not G-D fearing, Jesus loving people will return to the GOP.

In the last election they stayed home and the Republicans lost the House and Senate.


37 posted on 01/04/2008 12:20:22 AM PST by Blue Collar Republican (3 fingers of Jim Beam in a dirty glass)
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To: JohnnyZ

You said — “Romney is obsessed with being elected President and he will not accept defeat gracefully. The Romneys are OWED the Presidency that was stolen from George Romney, it’s his birthright, he’s done everything right, he WILL have it, it is HIS, his precioussssssss.....”

I suppose the Mormons haven’t told you how they expect to save the United States from oblivion — in one of their prophecies. Perhaps Romney thinks he’s that Mormon guy who is supposed to be the “salvation” for the United States.

If that’s the case (and that’s what he thinks), we gotta make sure that Romney never gets in office. That’s all we need is a Mormon Messiah complex, a guy who thinks he fulfills his church’s prophecy... LOL...

Regards,
Star Traveler


38 posted on 01/04/2008 12:20:41 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

I hope Fred and Obama will eat up the McCain votes.


39 posted on 01/04/2008 12:21:43 AM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: restornu

Well, you don’t know that the GOP can’t bring any candidate into the Presidency without the Evangelicals — and the Evangelicals are not going to elect a cult member for President.

Game over...


40 posted on 01/04/2008 12:22:10 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Romneyfor President2008

A lot can change in five days. I’m going to enjoy the fight for NH. The debate Saturday should be an opportunity. Mitt needs to find a way to hit Huckabee’s religious credentials and hit McCain hard on his support of Amnesty. McCain needs to be damaged going into South Carolina in order to open the door for a Romney resurgence. The South isn’t going to be easy for Romney or Rudy. They are yanks from places Southern boys and girls don’t trust.


41 posted on 01/04/2008 12:25:03 AM PST by Maelstorm (A candidate that does not believe America is the best country on earth need not apply.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I appreciate that you share my opinion on this. All of the Republican candidates contain some measure of party suicide, but running an evangelical preacher as the party candidate surpasses all levels of liberal caricature.


42 posted on 01/04/2008 12:25:13 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: montag813
Did Romney really spend $8 million in Iowa as Ed Rollins claimed?

Only $8? I figured it was more.

And also, why would Mitt “have” to drop out after NH, since the guy is worth around $400 million?

As Mitt is discovering, money can only rent you so much love. Romney has high negatives from all his attack ads and flip-flopping, voters are turning away from him and another loss would guarantee a continuation of his downward spiral.

The latest polls out of New Hampshire already had McCain leading before Mitt's Iowa disaster. What do you think they'll look like after Iowa?

43 posted on 01/04/2008 12:25:30 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Maelstorm

A McCain win makes it a money race. Rudy will hang on FL and CA where the electoral votes are. Mitt has money but does McCain or Fred?

This analysis seems to point toward a Rudy win.


44 posted on 01/04/2008 12:25:44 AM PST by byteback
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To: byteback
This analysis seems to point toward a Rudy win.

Rudy got 3% in Iowa and his national numbers are falling fast. That national lead is long gone. He won't be leading California by the time that primary rolls around -- he might not be leading California now.

45 posted on 01/04/2008 12:29:29 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Maelstorm

NH voters are unlike Iowa, they are not the conservative religious values crowd but more like the Republican,small-Govt, low tax types.

I think Huckabee will flop in NH. So the race is between Mccain and Mitt. Mccain has a maverick image which can attract independents and the libertarian types, Mitt can get support because of the proximity to Massachussets and considering many NH voters work in Massachussets.

I think Mitt can win in NH but it will be close.


46 posted on 01/04/2008 12:31:00 AM PST by GregH
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To: JohnnyZ

Maybe so but as Rush pointed out tonight this is going to be a long race. He didn’t say who would be in but I am interjecting that this means money. Rudy has it and he is strong in FL and CA. Nationwide polls are not worth much in specific states and in this election cycle this is new that in a month or so a candidate will have to be organized in several states at once.

It’s a $$$$$$$ race now.


47 posted on 01/04/2008 12:35:35 AM PST by byteback
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To: counterpunch

“that leaves just Fred, Ron Paul, and None of the Above.”

Of those three, only one is not a ridiculous choice. Go Fred.


48 posted on 01/04/2008 12:41:42 AM PST by Grunthor (Known to cause insanity in lab mice.)
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To: byteback

Fred has money any time he needs it. I think Rudy will evaporate in FL. These guys were crazy to get in so early that is the story history will tell. They who most needed to shield the public from their full records have given the public in those states over a year to look at them and as in Iowa large percentages of undecideds and uncommitted supporters who would really rather have another choice are the result. Mitt lost to Huck because he never really led in Iowa in the first place. People just didn’t feel they had any other choice or were undecided.


49 posted on 01/04/2008 12:42:45 AM PST by Maelstorm (A candidate that does not believe America is the best country on earth need not apply.)
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To: Star Traveler

Then why are they voting for huckaboob?


50 posted on 01/04/2008 12:43:34 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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