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My Fellow Evangelicals Blow It By Supporting Mike Huckabee
North Star Writers Group ^ | January 8, 2008 | Dan Calabrese

Posted on 01/08/2008 5:56:29 AM PST by Invisigoth

Secular America looks at the rise of Mike Huckabee and fears the growing influence of evangelical Christians in the political process.

This evangelical Christian columnist fears it too, for exactly the opposite reason.

Huckabee’s win in the Iowa caucuses, and his sudden viability as a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, owes to one thing and one thing only. Large numbers of evangelical voters are looking for someone to represent their values, and Huckabee is the only candidate who seems to do so.

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KEYWORDS: christianity; election; evangelical; mikehuckabee; openbordershuck; proillegal; valuevoter
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1 posted on 01/08/2008 5:56:30 AM PST by Invisigoth
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To: Invisigoth
Huckabee wouldn’t be a bad candidate. Except for his being a nanny-stater, illegal alien pusher, tax hiker, populist class-warfare baiter, religious bigot and foreign policy neophyte who almost makes Obama look thoughtful by comparison. Other than that, he’s a great candidate.
2 posted on 01/08/2008 5:59:47 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Invisigoth
Exactly. My fellow Christians who are supporting Huckabee need to wake up and smell the coffee. Huck is a socialist. He's a nanny-stater. He's exactly the kind of guy who is going to grow government to the point where it will be more and more intrusive into YOUR daily lives. If we ever get to the point where the government starts telling Christians what they can and can't believe, can't have services at such-and-such a place, can't have more than X in a service, etc. (and these are happening NOW in Canada - google Brampton), it's going to be JUST AS MUCH BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE HUCKABEE as it is the fault of the God-hating Dims.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

3 posted on 01/08/2008 6:00:23 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Head and proud of it! Fear the Fred!)
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To: Invisigoth

This is the best post I have read yet, about the Huck campaign.

Some of it I have been saying for days around here.

This guy has just hit the nail on the head in this thoughtful article!


4 posted on 01/08/2008 6:02:12 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Invisigoth

Great editorial! Thanks for posting it.


5 posted on 01/08/2008 6:02:26 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org)
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To: Invisigoth

There are perhaps more churchgoing leftists than this nation realizes.

One has only to look at the current state of the Episcopalian church to understand that.


6 posted on 01/08/2008 6:03:12 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Invisigoth

Like Jimmeh Cahta, Slick Willy, and Jerry Falwell, Huck’s a Baptist from southern environs. Haven’t met many of them, but haven’t been able to trust many of the ones I’ve met.


7 posted on 01/08/2008 6:04:21 AM PST by flowerplough (Thompson should be the next president and Reagan should be the next face on Mt. Rushmore)
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To: Invisigoth
From the same author:"It reminded us that there are evil bastards who will kill us if they get the chance, and we need to kill them first. Rudy Giuliani does us all a service by reminding us of this. Anyone who thinks it’s not a worthy subject, or is just sick of hearing it, needs a jolt back to reality."

He may be an evangelical writer, but he is not an evangelical. He is in the Tank for Rudy

8 posted on 01/08/2008 6:05:59 AM PST by Soliton
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To: Invisigoth
To have a conservative evangelical promoting a liberal agenda in many areas is troubling enough. For him to win the Republican nomination would mean that no major political party would thereafter be standing up as proudly for free markets, limited government, school choice, sound immigration policy and a realistic, tough foreign policy. No wonder liberals and the mainstream media love this fine man. With him, they hope for a twofer: He would dilute the conservatism of the Republican Party and deliver values voters to the cause of liberalism – something the disingenuous Democratic overtures to "values voters" has never been able to accomplish.
- David Limbaugh - WorldNetDaily
9 posted on 01/08/2008 6:07:55 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Vigilanteman

You have identified the Huckster very nicely.

Thankyou very much.


10 posted on 01/08/2008 6:08:32 AM PST by chatham
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To: Soliton

Come on, it doesn’t really matter. I can’t stand Rooty or Huck.

This article is right on about how the Huck campaign will destroy the party, and the cause of the evangelicals.


11 posted on 01/08/2008 6:09:42 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Invisigoth
Another secularized evangelical. Apparantly these pundits get tired of secular elites snickering at them when they defend biblical inerrancy. Easier to kowtow to the secular world and be a "reasonable" evangelical than an ignorant fundy. Man cannot serve two masters, for he will come to love one and hate the other. Even Jesus didn’t cut the thieves down from their crosses. He just offered them a place in Heaven.

I guess he reads an Alexandrian Text manuscript. They helpfully removed the story of the adulteress to make Christianity go down easier for the gnostic heretics in Egypt. Not unlike this guy.

Do I like Huckabee's economics? No. But I'm glad that he is a pinko. It leads to what economists call honest signalling. It shows that us evangelicals will not tolerate being ignored by the secular Republican elites. Us evangelicals are taking over the party, you can join us or the Democrats. I don't care much either way.

12 posted on 01/08/2008 6:10:24 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Invisigoth
I have yet one time to hear Huckabee the preacher/politician hold up that standard of Christ the Ten Commandments. In fact his own words are the total opposite.

There are reasons why this nation historically speaking, as far back as history has been recorded, is the most blessed nation ever. Now just how long does Huckabee plan on being around? Doesn’t he have his ticket all ready to get out of here when the ‘bad’ stuff starts happening?

13 posted on 01/08/2008 6:11:04 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: flowerplough
Falwell's politics were conservative. Huckabee's politics are populist/liberal.

Big difference.

14 posted on 01/08/2008 6:11:54 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Invisigoth
I wonder if we'll ever see, a Lib as glib as Huckabee.

His words contradict his actions too often.

Makes me wonder what he was like as a pastor.

15 posted on 01/08/2008 6:11:56 AM PST by syriacus (It's hard to say when we will see -- a Lib as glib as Huckabee.)
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To: Invisigoth

It is now clear that many so-called “evangelical Christians” are not conservatives at all. They are only “conservative” in that they don’t agree with the kind of nanny state the liberals are running, and they are trying anything they can to implement the nanny state they want with their rules. Huckabee is giving them their chance. The fact that all you need to do is add legalizing abortion to Huck’s record and he is the perfect socialist flies right over their head.


16 posted on 01/08/2008 6:12:58 AM PST by nhoward14 (Fred Thompson will get it DUN DUN in 2008!)
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To: indylindy

>Worse, he seems to see his position of authority as a mechanism to impulsively apply his evangelical agenda. With more than 1,000 pardons issued during his tenure as governor, with beneficiaries including 13 murderers (one of whom went on to kill again), Huckabee acts as though his seat in the state house is license to bestow a Christ-like gift of grace to anyone he chooses.

Bingo. To get a pardon/clemency from Huckabee, just parade your faith in front of him, declare your allegiance to Christ, and he’ll let you walk. He allows his religious beliefs to blind him.

Clue: Christ says to forgive everyone. That’s a PERSONAL requirement. But Christ never did get rid of the legal penalties imposed by the state. You can’t just dole out mercy at the expense of justice.


17 posted on 01/08/2008 6:13:01 AM PST by tortdog
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To: indylindy

I agree. Excellent examination of the facts.


18 posted on 01/08/2008 6:13:11 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: All
We are at war in two theaters, our guys are in a sandbox, right now, this very minute, surrounded by headchoppers with nukes.

And Americans are dangerously addicted to government, literally and emotionally.

We must elect a CIC, and a wartime President, who can CUT government. It is imperative.

19 posted on 01/08/2008 6:17:20 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Invisigoth

From what I see it looks like the evangelicals are transfixed on the “Pastor” part and have stopped looking at the man any further.

I’m one evangelical who’s NOT buying it. I think I could almost vote for Rue Paul before voting for the Huckster.


20 posted on 01/08/2008 6:17:34 AM PST by diverteach
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To: Jibaholic

Terrible post. People like you reveal yourselves to be as bad, or worse than the Rudybots.

Your tagline? Make sure you really know you are following the right guy, lest you be led by a tyrant.


21 posted on 01/08/2008 6:17:49 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: nhoward14
It is now clear that many so-called “evangelical Christians” are not conservatives at all.

Did you just figure that out? Societies die of moral suicide, not socialism. The real reason the Soviet Union failed was atheism, not socialism.

22 posted on 01/08/2008 6:19:20 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: chatham; Invisigoth
My apologies for forgetting to list global warming dupe among his qualifications.
23 posted on 01/08/2008 6:21:22 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Invisigoth
Another day, another host of cheap shots at voting evangelicals. Perhaps everyone should just try and take their voting rights away. Or how about this: Mind your own business, dude. Voters, even evangelical ones, get to choose the candidate they think best represents THEM. Not you. Not your group. You are not in charge of how evangelicals vote.

Evangelicals differ on who is the best candidate. Get over it. I for one give extra consideration to all the candidates who attended the Values Voter's debate. The top tier liberals all went to the homo debate. Our guys could have at least showed up. That's a big reason Huckabee gets the edge over Thompson. That, and I cannot support someone who helped bring us McCain-Feingold. It has nothing to do with Huckabee being an evangelical. But don't let facts get in the way of a good political rant, especially against evangelicals.

24 posted on 01/08/2008 6:21:51 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Jibaholic
Oh please, cut the drama, lol, evangelicals are not victims in the GOP, values voters have had total control over the nominee for generations now.

This is an evangelical party, and they are responsible for who is elected, and what they do in office.

And government continues to grow at an alarming rate, year after year Americans are addicted literally and emotionally.

It is past time for that trend to end.

25 posted on 01/08/2008 6:25:45 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Invisigoth
...If evangelical Christians somehow manage to put this man in the White House...

Which isn't going to happen. If the evangelicals think conservatives have been harsh in our treatment towards the Huckster, just wait until the libs start in on him (assuming he gets the nomination). The debates will resemble a scene out of "Inherit the Wind", and words like "troglodyte", "Neanderthal", "knuckle dragger", "chauvinist pig", and phrases such as "Taliban Wing of the Republican Party" and "He'll be peeking into your bedroom", will fill the airwaves. Huckster will give the left all the ammo they need to flood the polls. He will go down in defeat, and take conservatism with him...

26 posted on 01/08/2008 6:26:12 AM PST by LRS (It's time to put Hillary on the 3:10 to Yuma...)
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To: Jibaholic

“The real reason the Soviet Union failed was atheism, not socialism.”

Wow... just wow.


27 posted on 01/08/2008 6:29:09 AM PST by nhoward14 (Fred Thompson will get it DUN DUN in 2008!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; Jibaholic
Another day, another host of cheap shots at voting evangelicals. Perhaps everyone should just try and take their voting rights away. Or how about this: Mind your own business, dude. Voters, even evangelical ones, get to choose the candidate they think best represents THEM. Not you. Not your group. You are not in charge of how evangelicals vote.

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Evangelicals don't help themselves when they make comments like this:

Do I like Huckabee's economics? No. But I'm glad that he is a pinko. It leads to what economists call honest signalling. It shows that us evangelicals will not tolerate being ignored by the secular Republican elites. Us evangelicals are taking over the party, you can join us or the Democrats. I don't care much either way.

If Evangelicals expect to elect the next president and achieve their goals, they might want to consider that they'll need a little help from the rest of us.

28 posted on 01/08/2008 6:31:05 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Invisigoth
He displays no depth on questions of spending, taxation, national security and energy policy.

Kind of a silly thing to write about a proponent of the Fair Tax.

29 posted on 01/08/2008 6:31:34 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: nhoward14

If your theory were correct, then simply changing the economic system would result in a revitalized Soviet Union. Instead you have a nation with rampant alcholism and out of wedlock childbirths, massive poverty, and a few corrupt mega-wealthy people.

It’s been more than 15 years since the end of the Soviet Union, yet Russia is going nowhere, unlike Eastern European countries with stronger Christian roots.


30 posted on 01/08/2008 6:32:10 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Invisigoth
What other viable options do evangelical Christians have? 3 decades of legalized murder(abortion)is enough! 3 decades of the gay agenda is enough! 3 decades of the left systematically taking the mention of Christ out of the schools is enough! 3 decades of eliminating prayer from school is enough! 3 decades of the Muzzie takeover is enough!
31 posted on 01/08/2008 6:32:46 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: diverteach
I’m one evangelical who’s NOT buying it.

The Republican Party is currently fractured by the elements within that are supporting illegal immigrants and big government.

A nomination for Huckabee will open those fractures into chasms that may never heal.

It is sad that less than a year ago, the people stood up and opposed illegal immigration legislation, while, today, we are advancing the nomination of candidates from both parties who support that legislation.

32 posted on 01/08/2008 6:33:22 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: Vigilanteman
... religious bigot ...

Your criticisms of Huckabee for the most part are accurate, but when you throw the "religious bigot" part in there it makes you sound like one of these Christophobes of the left. I'm not sure what you mean by "religious bigot" but the most common context in which I've heard that term used is by the Rosie O'Donut types who suggest that evangelical Christians are just like the Islamofacists who attacked us on 9/11/01.

33 posted on 01/08/2008 6:33:28 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Invisigoth

Huckabee is Jimmy Carter all over again. And the same Evangelicals that supported the worst POTUS in my lifetime (Carter) are backing Huckabee.

No thanks.


34 posted on 01/08/2008 6:34:32 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Bump!


35 posted on 01/08/2008 6:34:43 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: trisham
If Evangelicals expect to elect the next president and achieve their goals, they might want to consider that they'll need a little help from the rest of us.

If you non-evangelicals want to help, then great, we'll let you help. And I will be happy to support an economically consevative evangelical. But make the mistake of neglecting the evangelical base in order to nominate socially liberal hawks, and target number one is the Republican party establishment. If we have to vote for pinkos just to drive enough lib[ertarians] into the arms of the lib[erals], then so be it. I'm happy to do it.

36 posted on 01/08/2008 6:34:47 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: Jibaholic
Us evangelicals are taking over the party, you can join us or the Democrats. I don't care much either way.

Pride goeth before a fall.

37 posted on 01/08/2008 6:35:32 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: VRWCmember

>but when you throw the “religious bigot” part in there it makes you sound like one of these Christophobes of the left.

I mostly agree with the characterization. He has shown an intolerance of Mormons in the past. He spews anti-Mormonism (when it’s convenient).

It may not be borne of “hate,” which is true bigotry, but it certainly is repulsive. I can’t think of any mainstream religious faith that I would be intolerant of. Huckabee seems to have found one.


38 posted on 01/08/2008 6:37:46 AM PST by tortdog
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To: Jibaholic

Have fun winning the presidency with less than half of evangelicals and nobody else.


39 posted on 01/08/2008 6:40:54 AM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: roses of sharon
evangelicals are not victims in the GOP, values voters have had total control over the nominee for generations now.

Early last year of the Republicans were celebrating what they perceived to be the death of the value voter. There was article after article about how Republicans could get back to being conservatives now that value voters were out of the equation. Then as one candidate after another declared, Republicans told value voters that should put aside their values and vote for this candidate or that or else all would be lost. Now they are miffed that the value voters did not do as they were told.

It is past time for that trend to end.

There have been three legs to the Republican stool for thirty plus years now, and it has been a winning combination. If you wish to go back to loosing elections, feel free to go ahead and saw off the value leg of the stool.

Huckabee will not win the nomination! But he will probably garner enough delegates going into the convention to make Republicans realize that they still need the value voter.

40 posted on 01/08/2008 6:41:38 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It’s all Pat Robertson’s fault! He came out with an endorsement of Guiliani and his following compromised with Huckabee instead.

What killing me during this election cycle is once again, the media and it’s blatant bias towards those that THEY want and shove it down the people’s throat.


41 posted on 01/08/2008 6:43:09 AM PST by diverteach
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To: Between the Lines

Most likely a very true.

Once everyone gets done getting their respect, we can choose and get on with it.


42 posted on 01/08/2008 6:43:49 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: trisham
Evangelicals don't help themselves when they make comments like this:

Do you not recognize hyperbole? It should be very easy, just read the posts of those who are spewing gloom and doom because Huckabee has done well in one state.

43 posted on 01/08/2008 6:44:46 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: tortdog
I can’t think of any mainstream religious faith that I would be intolerant of.

How about Islam?

44 posted on 01/08/2008 6:45:15 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Between the Lines

>If you wish to go back to loosing elections, feel free to go ahead and saw off the value leg of the stool.

Look, I mostly agree. It’s important for the GOP to have a moral stand (family values). But it’s equally important to have a stand on fiscal restraint.

In office we have a man (Bush) who has the moral values, but lacks the fiscal restraint. And we had GOP congressional leaders (representatives) who lacked both moral values AND fiscal restraint. That combination screwed the GOP.

The GOP needs a leader who has a proven record of fiscal restraint AND a moral personal life. That isn’t Huckabee, no matter HOW you spin it.


45 posted on 01/08/2008 6:45:48 AM PST by tortdog
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To: Jibaholic
If you non-evangelicals want to help, then great, we'll let you help. And I will be happy to support an economically consevative evangelical. But make the mistake of neglecting the evangelical base in order to nominate socially liberal hawks, and target number one is the Republican party establishment. If we have to vote for pinkos just to drive enough lib[ertarians] into the arms of the lib[erals], then so be it. I'm happy to do it.

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It's good to have you speak so openly. Now we know a little more about some Evangelicals.

I won't vote for Huckabee under any circumstances.

46 posted on 01/08/2008 6:46:20 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Bosco

Baptist Preacher Falwell’s politics seemed to be mostly about Pope Falwell enjoying ordering his subjects to vote as he decreed.
Baptist Cahta’s politics seemed to be mostly about Jimmeh ordering his subjects where to set their speed limits and thermostats.
Baptist Willy’s politics seemed to be mostly about ordering the bedazzled subjects of Oz to pay no attention to the man “baptizing” the woman, behind the curtain.
Baptist Preacher Huckabee’s politics seem to be too much like Bush’s domestic tactics, throwing money and favors at Democrats to keep ‘em from voting against him.


47 posted on 01/08/2008 6:47:00 AM PST by flowerplough (Thompson should be the next president and Reagan should be the next face on Mt. Rushmore)
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To: VRWCmember

In addition to the other points made, Huckabee has rubbed elbows with some pretty rancid anti-Catholic types.

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212122652.shtml

Qwinn


48 posted on 01/08/2008 6:47:18 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: VRWCmember

Yep, that would be a nightmare. Tell you what, we best be careful of that. I wouldn’t want my President of the faith that has followers that want to kill us, or convert us.


49 posted on 01/08/2008 6:47:20 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: tacticalogic
Pride goeth before a fall.

I've never claimed to be without sin. Never will. That does not mean that we shouldn't fight as hard as we can. That was the meaning of "I did not come here to bring peace, I came here with a sword."

50 posted on 01/08/2008 6:48:38 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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