Posted on 01/08/2008 5:56:29 AM PST by Invisigoth
Secular America looks at the rise of Mike Huckabee and fears the growing influence of evangelical Christians in the political process.
This evangelical Christian columnist fears it too, for exactly the opposite reason.
Huckabee’s win in the Iowa caucuses, and his sudden viability as a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, owes to one thing and one thing only. Large numbers of evangelical voters are looking for someone to represent their values, and Huckabee is the only candidate who seems to do so.
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WAKE UP PEOPLE!
This is the best post I have read yet, about the Huck campaign.
Some of it I have been saying for days around here.
This guy has just hit the nail on the head in this thoughtful article!
Great editorial! Thanks for posting it.
There are perhaps more churchgoing leftists than this nation realizes.
One has only to look at the current state of the Episcopalian church to understand that.
Like Jimmeh Cahta, Slick Willy, and Jerry Falwell, Huck’s a Baptist from southern environs. Haven’t met many of them, but haven’t been able to trust many of the ones I’ve met.
He may be an evangelical writer, but he is not an evangelical. He is in the Tank for Rudy
You have identified the Huckster very nicely.
Thankyou very much.
Come on, it doesn’t really matter. I can’t stand Rooty or Huck.
This article is right on about how the Huck campaign will destroy the party, and the cause of the evangelicals.
I guess he reads an Alexandrian Text manuscript. They helpfully removed the story of the adulteress to make Christianity go down easier for the gnostic heretics in Egypt. Not unlike this guy.
Do I like Huckabee's economics? No. But I'm glad that he is a pinko. It leads to what economists call honest signalling. It shows that us evangelicals will not tolerate being ignored by the secular Republican elites. Us evangelicals are taking over the party, you can join us or the Democrats. I don't care much either way.
There are reasons why this nation historically speaking, as far back as history has been recorded, is the most blessed nation ever. Now just how long does Huckabee plan on being around? Doesn’t he have his ticket all ready to get out of here when the ‘bad’ stuff starts happening?
Big difference.
His words contradict his actions too often.
Makes me wonder what he was like as a pastor.
It is now clear that many so-called “evangelical Christians” are not conservatives at all. They are only “conservative” in that they don’t agree with the kind of nanny state the liberals are running, and they are trying anything they can to implement the nanny state they want with their rules. Huckabee is giving them their chance. The fact that all you need to do is add legalizing abortion to Huck’s record and he is the perfect socialist flies right over their head.
>Worse, he seems to see his position of authority as a mechanism to impulsively apply his evangelical agenda. With more than 1,000 pardons issued during his tenure as governor, with beneficiaries including 13 murderers (one of whom went on to kill again), Huckabee acts as though his seat in the state house is license to bestow a Christ-like gift of grace to anyone he chooses.
Bingo. To get a pardon/clemency from Huckabee, just parade your faith in front of him, declare your allegiance to Christ, and he’ll let you walk. He allows his religious beliefs to blind him.
Clue: Christ says to forgive everyone. That’s a PERSONAL requirement. But Christ never did get rid of the legal penalties imposed by the state. You can’t just dole out mercy at the expense of justice.
I agree. Excellent examination of the facts.
And Americans are dangerously addicted to government, literally and emotionally.
We must elect a CIC, and a wartime President, who can CUT government. It is imperative.
From what I see it looks like the evangelicals are transfixed on the “Pastor” part and have stopped looking at the man any further.
I’m one evangelical who’s NOT buying it. I think I could almost vote for Rue Paul before voting for the Huckster.
Terrible post. People like you reveal yourselves to be as bad, or worse than the Rudybots.
Your tagline? Make sure you really know you are following the right guy, lest you be led by a tyrant.
Did you just figure that out? Societies die of moral suicide, not socialism. The real reason the Soviet Union failed was atheism, not socialism.
Evangelicals differ on who is the best candidate. Get over it. I for one give extra consideration to all the candidates who attended the Values Voter's debate. The top tier liberals all went to the homo debate. Our guys could have at least showed up. That's a big reason Huckabee gets the edge over Thompson. That, and I cannot support someone who helped bring us McCain-Feingold. It has nothing to do with Huckabee being an evangelical. But don't let facts get in the way of a good political rant, especially against evangelicals.
This is an evangelical party, and they are responsible for who is elected, and what they do in office.
And government continues to grow at an alarming rate, year after year Americans are addicted literally and emotionally.
It is past time for that trend to end.
Which isn't going to happen. If the evangelicals think conservatives have been harsh in our treatment towards the Huckster, just wait until the libs start in on him (assuming he gets the nomination). The debates will resemble a scene out of "Inherit the Wind", and words like "troglodyte", "Neanderthal", "knuckle dragger", "chauvinist pig", and phrases such as "Taliban Wing of the Republican Party" and "He'll be peeking into your bedroom", will fill the airwaves. Huckster will give the left all the ammo they need to flood the polls. He will go down in defeat, and take conservatism with him...
“The real reason the Soviet Union failed was atheism, not socialism.”
Wow... just wow.
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Evangelicals don't help themselves when they make comments like this:
Do I like Huckabee's economics? No. But I'm glad that he is a pinko. It leads to what economists call honest signalling. It shows that us evangelicals will not tolerate being ignored by the secular Republican elites. Us evangelicals are taking over the party, you can join us or the Democrats. I don't care much either way.
If Evangelicals expect to elect the next president and achieve their goals, they might want to consider that they'll need a little help from the rest of us.
Kind of a silly thing to write about a proponent of the Fair Tax.
If your theory were correct, then simply changing the economic system would result in a revitalized Soviet Union. Instead you have a nation with rampant alcholism and out of wedlock childbirths, massive poverty, and a few corrupt mega-wealthy people.
It’s been more than 15 years since the end of the Soviet Union, yet Russia is going nowhere, unlike Eastern European countries with stronger Christian roots.
The Republican Party is currently fractured by the elements within that are supporting illegal immigrants and big government.
A nomination for Huckabee will open those fractures into chasms that may never heal.
It is sad that less than a year ago, the people stood up and opposed illegal immigration legislation, while, today, we are advancing the nomination of candidates from both parties who support that legislation.
Your criticisms of Huckabee for the most part are accurate, but when you throw the "religious bigot" part in there it makes you sound like one of these Christophobes of the left. I'm not sure what you mean by "religious bigot" but the most common context in which I've heard that term used is by the Rosie O'Donut types who suggest that evangelical Christians are just like the Islamofacists who attacked us on 9/11/01.
Huckabee is Jimmy Carter all over again. And the same Evangelicals that supported the worst POTUS in my lifetime (Carter) are backing Huckabee.
No thanks.
Bump!
If you non-evangelicals want to help, then great, we'll let you help. And I will be happy to support an economically consevative evangelical. But make the mistake of neglecting the evangelical base in order to nominate socially liberal hawks, and target number one is the Republican party establishment. If we have to vote for pinkos just to drive enough lib[ertarians] into the arms of the lib[erals], then so be it. I'm happy to do it.
Pride goeth before a fall.
>but when you throw the “religious bigot” part in there it makes you sound like one of these Christophobes of the left.
I mostly agree with the characterization. He has shown an intolerance of Mormons in the past. He spews anti-Mormonism (when it’s convenient).
It may not be borne of “hate,” which is true bigotry, but it certainly is repulsive. I can’t think of any mainstream religious faith that I would be intolerant of. Huckabee seems to have found one.
Have fun winning the presidency with less than half of evangelicals and nobody else.
Early last year of the Republicans were celebrating what they perceived to be the death of the value voter. There was article after article about how Republicans could get back to being conservatives now that value voters were out of the equation. Then as one candidate after another declared, Republicans told value voters that should put aside their values and vote for this candidate or that or else all would be lost. Now they are miffed that the value voters did not do as they were told.
It is past time for that trend to end.
There have been three legs to the Republican stool for thirty plus years now, and it has been a winning combination. If you wish to go back to loosing elections, feel free to go ahead and saw off the value leg of the stool.
Huckabee will not win the nomination! But he will probably garner enough delegates going into the convention to make Republicans realize that they still need the value voter.
It’s all Pat Robertson’s fault! He came out with an endorsement of Guiliani and his following compromised with Huckabee instead.
What killing me during this election cycle is once again, the media and it’s blatant bias towards those that THEY want and shove it down the people’s throat.
Most likely a very true.
Once everyone gets done getting their respect, we can choose and get on with it.
Do you not recognize hyperbole? It should be very easy, just read the posts of those who are spewing gloom and doom because Huckabee has done well in one state.
How about Islam?
>If you wish to go back to loosing elections, feel free to go ahead and saw off the value leg of the stool.
Look, I mostly agree. It’s important for the GOP to have a moral stand (family values). But it’s equally important to have a stand on fiscal restraint.
In office we have a man (Bush) who has the moral values, but lacks the fiscal restraint. And we had GOP congressional leaders (representatives) who lacked both moral values AND fiscal restraint. That combination screwed the GOP.
The GOP needs a leader who has a proven record of fiscal restraint AND a moral personal life. That isn’t Huckabee, no matter HOW you spin it.
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It's good to have you speak so openly. Now we know a little more about some Evangelicals.
I won't vote for Huckabee under any circumstances.
Baptist Preacher Falwell’s politics seemed to be mostly about Pope Falwell enjoying ordering his subjects to vote as he decreed.
Baptist Cahta’s politics seemed to be mostly about Jimmeh ordering his subjects where to set their speed limits and thermostats.
Baptist Willy’s politics seemed to be mostly about ordering the bedazzled subjects of Oz to pay no attention to the man “baptizing” the woman, behind the curtain.
Baptist Preacher Huckabee’s politics seem to be too much like Bush’s domestic tactics, throwing money and favors at Democrats to keep ‘em from voting against him.
In addition to the other points made, Huckabee has rubbed elbows with some pretty rancid anti-Catholic types.
http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212122652.shtml
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Yep, that would be a nightmare. Tell you what, we best be careful of that. I wouldn’t want my President of the faith that has followers that want to kill us, or convert us.
I've never claimed to be without sin. Never will. That does not mean that we shouldn't fight as hard as we can. That was the meaning of "I did not come here to bring peace, I came here with a sword."
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