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If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?
January 10, 2008 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 01/10/2008 3:40:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson

The question was posed to me last night, if the only two conservatives in the race were to drop out, leaving the hapless RINOs Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and McCain to ward off the Evil Witch of the East then, Jim, what do we do?

Well, I think four issues that most of us conservatives will agree on that are at the top or near the top of our priority lists are National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life should be considered. We can argue all day long on whether or not these guys are constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives, and I don't believe any of them are, but we'll leave that for another day. Let's concentrate on National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life.

Well, I can see right off that that rules out Rudy, the draft dodging, gun grabbing, sanctuary city abortionist. At least the other three claim to be pro-life, although Romney has been a pro-choice abortionist for all of his elected history until he decided to run for president. I think Romney's pro choice, big government nanny state (RomneyCare) record gives him two big black eyes and should knock him out of any further consideration. That leaves Huckabee and McCain.

Now, all four of these guys are terrible on border security even though they're all claiming now to be border hawks. McCain led the charge for amnesty and the rest fell in line like dutiful RINO troopers. Can't really make a distinction among these guys on the border issue. All fail, though I think most conservatives would rank McCain at or near the bottom.

Guns. Rudy's definitely out. McCain's out. Romney's not much better. Guess Huckabee the big duck hunter outshoots the others in this category.

Rudy fails in all categories, McCain and Romney fail on guns, and all fail on borders. So I guess Huckabee has more to offer over the others at this point as he is at least pro-life and pro-gun.

Now comes national defense. Sorry, but I can't see the draft dodging, gun grabbing, gay loving, cross-dressing, illegal alien pandering abortion activist Rudy Giuliani as a very appealing or effective guy to head up our military, even if he did make some rousing anti-terrorist speeches on 9/11. The "gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military" Romney (no military or national security experience that I know of) doesn't give me goosebumps either.

So, again, we're down to Huckabee and McCain. Now you all know that I like Huckabee as he is a likable fellow, and I hate McCain, but wait. If the whole shebang is going to be decided on which of the still standing Republican wannabes should defend America from the terrorists and the surrendering Democrats, I think I'll have to go with McCain over Huckabee. At least McCain served in the military and has a whole lot more military and national security experience while serving on various committees in the senate than does Huckabee. Huckabee has none. And I doubt Huckabee can defeat Hillary. But then, McCain probably won't either, so guess that leaves plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

Here's praying that the only two all around consistently reliable conservatives hang in there and one of them gets the nod.

Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!


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To: Bull Market

“And Thompson should offer the VP position to Paul. I know most Freepers really hate that, BUT - WE - NEED - THOSE - INDY - VOTES. PERIOD.”

It’s not a bad idea that’s for sure.


351 posted on 01/10/2008 5:45:38 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: IM2MAD

I lived in Coeur d’Alene for many years. Idaho is definately a Republican state, however, turning very liberal in many ways because of the California transplants. Larry Craign is certainly not helping in any way either.

LET’S GET READY TO RUMBLE! DON’T FORGET THE DEBATE TONIGHT!


352 posted on 01/10/2008 5:45:50 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN FredHead FREEPER! [FRED THOMPSON will make an amazing Commander in Chief!])
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To: processing please hold

sighs are better than dry heaves. : )


353 posted on 01/10/2008 5:46:18 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: ml/nj

I totally reject all four of the headless rinos.

Go Hunter!! GO, FRed, GO!!

Please don’t leave us with McCain!!


354 posted on 01/10/2008 5:46:32 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
And Dole turned out to be a stand up guy after all.

Thanks to Viagra?

355 posted on 01/10/2008 5:46:46 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: TigersEye
That is a false argument that has been knocked down a thousand times.

There is nothing false about it. Nor could you knock down my argument even once, much less a thousand times. I shouldn't do your homework, but I will.

The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, signed into law by Ronald Reagen granted amnesty to illegals aliens. Please educate yourself by attempting to disprove this fact. When you do so, you'll be able to note that Reagan at least had the courage to call it what it was, amnesty.

BTW, My wife met at least a dozen different people at Reagans funeral arrival at his library that were there to pay there respects to him because Reagan made them Americans and they will always be grateful and thankful to him for giving them the greatest gift of all, U.S.A. citizenship.

This stupid arse BDS over Bush really needs to end. I am sick to death of the abject ignorance that has been on display over the past year or two here at FreeRepublic. I am stunned at the number of people who now possess BDS because of some issue.

If one was to compare real records, Bush will come out more Conservative that Reagan ever was.

356 posted on 01/10/2008 5:46:58 PM PST by Diplomat (Reagan wasn't God and Bush isn't the devil)
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To: EGPWS
OK, I don't doubt that you are. But what does it have to do with the choices given in Jim's question and the way I characterized them? I'm not understanding your point.

I guess I should have just answered you "yes" it is like we are going to die horribly. Although I did describe our choice to do it fast or be tortured slowly first. ; )

357 posted on 01/10/2008 5:46:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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bmfl


358 posted on 01/10/2008 5:47:39 PM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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To: nicmarlo

Yes they are but with too many sighs one gets lightheaded. lol


359 posted on 01/10/2008 5:47:41 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, look at just about any political thread on FR and you will find, in some shape or form, this thought that we must elect someone who can defeat Hillary. This, plain and simple, is the reason why we are going to lose this election.

Most people around here use it as as some kind of prophetic threat, as in, "If we don't hold our nose and vote for so and so, Hillary will win," or "If we don't vote for the Republican nominee (however liberal they may be) we are voting for Hillary." These Freepers are letting their fear compromise their principles as they cling to their liberal/moderate nominees.

To paraphrase President Reagan, these people are hoping that some how, some way, someone is going to save them. The only way we can truly win is to take charge and save ourselves by standing up for our conservative principles and voting for the true conservatives in this race, Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter.

At this point in time, unless there is some major ephiphany among conservatives very soon, we are well on our way to losing this battle and fast coming to the point where there is nothing left to do but hunker down in the trenches, give first aid to the shell-shocked and wounded and try our hardest not to shoot the deserters because we might be able to pull them back into action for the next battle.

360 posted on 01/10/2008 5:48:16 PM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The next president will make appointments to the SCOTUS. I hope President Fred Thompson is making those appointments when the time comes.

If we are left with a lesser man for our nominee, it’s difficult to believe the worst of ours would make choices as bad for the country as the Dem winner.

I’ll have to take a chance on that being the case, and support the Republican nominee, when I know for certain what type of appointments would be made by any of the Dems.


361 posted on 01/10/2008 5:49:11 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Thompson should offer the VP position to Paul. I know most Freepers really hate that, BUT - WE - NEED - THOSE - INDY - VOTES. PERIOD.”

How many independent/libertarian/racist voters are we talking about?

362 posted on 01/10/2008 5:50:12 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: tarheelswamprat
...a craven submission destroys that hope and extinguishes the very remembrance of the ideas and principles for which we strove.

The RINO bottomline.

363 posted on 01/10/2008 5:50:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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To: Ron in Acreage
Yep, sometimes you play defense. If you can’t ram it down their throats, you keep them from ramming it down yours.

Amen, brother.

364 posted on 01/10/2008 5:51:28 PM PST by itsamelman (Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh. - - Al Swearengen)
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To: Elyse

The best thing we can do is all get behind the strongest conservative in the race and get him over the hump. I say FRed is the man!! But Hunter would be great too!!

Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!


365 posted on 01/10/2008 5:51:33 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: TigersEye
I guess I should have just answered you "yes" it is like we are going to die horribly.

Perhaps.

I'm convicted and am so in stride.

Life is good. : )

366 posted on 01/10/2008 5:51:51 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: LucyJo
I don't see any difference. Just look at what Schwarzenegger has done for California and perhaps other states following California's example, with S.B. 777.
367 posted on 01/10/2008 5:52:48 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Elyse

Bravo bravo bravo!!! Fear is a lousy guiding light.


368 posted on 01/10/2008 5:53:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!

Gosh Jim, Fred is cutting into my donations to Free Republic!

How far should I take it? /snicker

369 posted on 01/10/2008 5:54:02 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: LucyJo
The next president will make appointments to the SCOTUS.

That is about the only reason I could consider McCain or Romney.

I think McCain's appointments would be in the range of Bush. And I think that if the right supported Romney, he would at least give us his first appointment. (But maybe I'm wrong) Any case, they would be better than Hillary. Giuliani has already told us that Bader-Ginsburg is a good standard to pick justices. So if we get Hillary-like appointments from him, why even consider him?

370 posted on 01/10/2008 5:54:17 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: scripter

Social liberalism (Arnold) didn’t work for California, and social liberalism will not work for America. Down with RINOism!!

Go, FRed, GO!!


371 posted on 01/10/2008 5:55:32 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Without the libertarians and independents, the GOP is going to lose in Reagan/Mondale proportions."

I think you're correct, but you forgot to add the many conservatives who have no intention of voting for a candidate just because of the "R" after his name.

You are sorely mistaken if you believe that the reason the Republicans have no $ this cycle is because the libertarians and independents have stopped funding them. The Wall Street and Beltway Boys have sent their $ to the Democrats. That's why any Republican who gets the nomination will be accepting matching funds from the gov't and will be outspent about 10-1 by the Democrat candidate.

372 posted on 01/10/2008 5:55:49 PM PST by penowa
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To: EGPWS

I regret that I have but one web site to give for my country. All the way with FRed!!


373 posted on 01/10/2008 5:57:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I regret that I have but one web site to give for my country.

Damn the torpedo's, FULL SPEED AHEAD!

374 posted on 01/10/2008 5:59:04 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: pay dirt

marker


375 posted on 01/10/2008 5:59:27 PM PST by pay dirt
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To: processing please hold

lolol!


376 posted on 01/10/2008 6:01:04 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sorry, but I can't see the draft dodging, gun grabbing, gay loving, cross-dressing, illegal alien pandering abortion activist Rudy Giuliani as a very appealing or effective guy to head up our military, even if he did make some rousing anti-terrorist speeches on 9/11.

Don't hold back Jim, just say what you really think of Giuliani!

377 posted on 01/10/2008 6:02:07 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: Jim Robinson
We can argue all day long on whether or not these guys are constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives, and I don't believe any of them are, but we'll leave that for another day.

How many election cycles is it now that's been "left for another day"?

378 posted on 01/10/2008 6:02:10 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am glad it won’t come to this.

I expect Thompson/Romney either right before or after the Convention. The signs are already there. Huck changed the dynamic for both men.

It will benefit both, give Mitt conservative exposure in the real world and let him get used to his new found conservatism and prove us wrong. It will also help with the GOP strong holds in the South in 2016. Fred gets the organizational help and a boost in his weak geographical areas as well.


379 posted on 01/10/2008 6:03:15 PM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: JOE6PAK
If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?

DRINK!

Buy ammo and stay sober. We will be needing our wits.

380 posted on 01/10/2008 6:03:24 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Jim Robinson
I regret that I have but one web site to give for my country. All the way with FRed!!

I'd love for Fred to win. He just needs some people to start voting for him.

381 posted on 01/10/2008 6:03:52 PM PST by period end of story (Oh life, it's bigger, it's bigger than you.)
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To: Diplomat
In 1986 there were only about 5 million illegal aliens.
In 1986 Ronald Reagan tied his amnesty to enforcement. IOWs he took responsibility for his actions.
In 1986 no one could look back at a previous amnesty to see its effects.

You are divorced from reality if you think what RR did is ethically equivalent to what the pols are trying to do today and makes him a RINO. Your street creds mean nothing it's your false logic that counts.

382 posted on 01/10/2008 6:04:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Ummmm, just how gullible are you???? PaleoPaulie won't do a thing about the border (voted against the funding of the fence, did he not?) and he is an enemy of the American nation and military and people. If our enemies would wind up dead in the impossible situation of a paleopipsqueak White House, they will die from laughing too hard at the feckless wimp of Galveston. See them now, doubling over in hilarity when confronted by letters of marque and reprisal, foul-beaked parrots, blunderbusses, broadswords and "Avast, Matey, I'm deliverin' a message from paleoPaulie!!!!"

You have a problem with religion??? That would equate with your prior support of the thrice married cross-dressing babykiller Julie Annie and your support of do nothing Paulie who wants to punt on pro-life and lavender perversion posing as "marriage", while hiding behind his curiously perverse notions of the constitution; which will also mean taxpayer-supported "partner" benefits though the paleopipsqueak is sure to deny it. People here are entitled to be reminded of your prior track record of bad judgments.

El Run Paulie could not limit government or abolish the IRS or do anything else. A Paul presidency would be an exercise in absolute futility as he would not get 10% of the Republicans in Congress to vote for his moonbat delusions.

It seems rather likely that your vote will join your brain where the sun shineth not.

44 years of conservative activism and leadership make me your judge, jury and executioner. Off with your head!

383 posted on 01/10/2008 6:04:34 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Mr. Brightside
LOL, I doubt Ted Olson and Miguel Estrada, who are RG’s judiciary advisor's would be with him if they thought he would nominate another Ginsberg.
384 posted on 01/10/2008 6:05:29 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: tacticalogic

Uh, I believe I summarily rejected all four. Don’t see any defenses for any of them.


385 posted on 01/10/2008 6:05:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

As good an analysis as any I’ve seen so far.


386 posted on 01/10/2008 6:05:59 PM PST by pay dirt
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To: nicmarlo

:)


387 posted on 01/10/2008 6:07:22 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Jim Robinson
Go Hunter!! GO, FRed, GO!!

I filled out that CandidateCalculator that was talked about here a few days ago. I told them Thompson was my choice, but they told me my choice should be Hunter. But according to them Romney wasn't far behind. Is it I who doesn't know enough about Romney, or is it the CandidateCalculator?

ML/NJ

388 posted on 01/10/2008 6:11:33 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: roses of sharon

It seems we Republicans only have a 50 percent success rate with REPUBLICAN appointed justices.

Stevens and Souter are two good examples of this.

If Giuliani picks them, where do we go? 5 percent chance of getting a conservative? Maybe 10 percent?


389 posted on 01/10/2008 6:13:01 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Jim Robinson

I guess I just find the notion of separating being “constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives” from “National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life”. Guns and life are intrinsically constitutional issues. National defense and border security are going to be compromised if they have to compete with liberal social engineering and welfare programs for resources and are being hamstrung by overloaded bureaucracies.


390 posted on 01/10/2008 6:14:13 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Excellent (and entertaining) analysis.

I might be able to cast a vote for the Huckster, the others...?

But, no way Julie Annie.


391 posted on 01/10/2008 6:14:39 PM PST by Barnacle ("We need to move away from the Kennedy wing of the Republican party. Duncan Hunter)
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To: EGPWS
"A RINO is unpalatable dangerously unpredictable via lack of political conviction, but is still far better than a raging Stalinist."

Not if both of them are Soros' sockpuppets.

392 posted on 01/10/2008 6:19:01 PM PST by penowa
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To: TigersEye

First you call me a liar. Then you admit I was right, so now you call me “divorced from reality.”

Reagan signed an amnesty bill. That is a fact. Reagan stated such in his own words!!!!! Unlike Bush/McInsane.

How hard is this for you to understand? He granted amnesty to every illegal in the nation in 1986. <<<< There is NO enforcement, just, here is your citizenship, next. This bill also added money into the boarder patrol to supposedly stop FUTURE illegals from entering the country. This is your so called enforcement provision. How well did that work out?

Seriously, are you so naive, arrogant or ignorant that you cannot admit that Reagan granted amnesty where Bush has not? Now what Reagan did differs exactly HOW from the bill Bush NEVER got a chance to sign?

I guess in your world, not doing something makes you guilty of the crime, but actually committing the crime makes you an innocent man.


393 posted on 01/10/2008 6:19:56 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Mr. Brightside; scripter

I agree with you both. But, we’re talking about a worse case scenario that may never happen. It makes me sick to even think about voting for Giuliani or McCain.

I’m just saying that I’m not going to sit out the election. I know what we would be getting with Hillary Clinton. My vote may not mean anything at some point. That’s a chance I’ll have to take, but I’ll vote.


394 posted on 01/10/2008 6:22:27 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: Jim Robinson
"plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye."

If it comes down to that I recommend everyone do some stretching exercises first so they won't pull out their backs.


395 posted on 01/10/2008 6:23:54 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I agree with your mistrust of McCain. My point is that if amnesty is passed, everything else, including the appointment of justices to the SCOTUS, is like straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic.


396 posted on 01/10/2008 6:25:18 PM PST by kabar
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To: penowa
Not if both of them are Soros' sockpuppets.

At least the sockpuppets wear their uniform.

397 posted on 01/10/2008 6:26:50 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Diplomat

And that makes Ronald Reagan a RINO? Goodnight, Gracie.


398 posted on 01/10/2008 6:27:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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To: tcrlaf
"KOS and “Black Leaders’ in Michigan are urging their followers to vote on the Republican side, and to vote for McCain...."

Somebody is putting out Democrat misinformation, Kos is actually urging Democrats to vote for Romney, in order to keep Republican sniping at each other:

"We want Romney in, because the more Republican candidates we have fighting it out, trashing each other with negative ads and spending tons of money, the better it is for us. We want Mitt to stay in the race, and to do that, we need him to win in Michigan."

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/10/2713/87225/55/434206

399 posted on 01/10/2008 6:33:21 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: roses of sharon
Rudy has proposed the biggest tax cuts in history. Ain't gonna happen ... just a way to get voters to him. Tax cuts are not Tax Reform and Tax Reform is what is needed. Tax Reform and Spending Reform (read 'PORK').

His plan does repeal the 'Death Tax' and eventually (I'm not holding my breath) repeals the AMT. It retains the tax on capital gains and dividend. Then still taxes income just at a lower rate.
Rudy can talk about it, he can propose it as President and send his 'Bill' to Congress ... Congress, no matter what's is eventual makeup will "correct it" to make their mark.

"The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government." ~ Barry Goldwater

"It would be a hard government that should tax its people one-tenth part of their income." ~ Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac


“When there is an income tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less on the same amount of income.” ~ Plato

“The income tax has made liars out of more Americans than golf.” ~ Will Rodgers

“The income tax is a twentieth-century socialist experiment that has failed. Before the income tax was imposed on us just 80 years ago, government had no claim to our income. Only sales, excise, and tariff taxes were allowed.” ~ Alan Keys

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"The Tenth Amendment is the foundation of the Constitution." ~ Thomas Jefferson ["The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Refers back to Alan Keys]

"The more corrupt the State the more numerous the laws." ~ Cornelius Tacitus

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. ..." ~ Alexander Hamilton

For me - Abolish the Income Tax --- don't tinker with it!.
400 posted on 01/10/2008 6:34:50 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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