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A Conservative Case Against Huckabee (vanity)
various | 01-14-08 | various

Posted on 01/14/2008 6:09:20 PM PST by lesser_satan

Conservatism v. Huckabee

Count 1: Weakest in the Republican field on immigration

Exhibit A: Huckabee calls immigration bill "un-Christian, anti-life"

(Arkansas Senate Bill 206 would have denied state benefits to illegal aliens, required proof of citizenship to vote, and require state agencies to report illegal aliens.)

Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, "I don't understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state," Huckabee said.

"Something that's not worth sharing is not worth celebrating," Huckabee said. "This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude."

(Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says, Arkansas News Bureau, 01/28/2005)

He said the bill could hurt the state's ability to recruit industries based in countries outside the U.S., such as Toyota or Nestle, a Swiss company.

"If we send a message that essentially if you don't look like us, talk like us and speak like us we don't want you, it has tremendous economic repercussions," Huckabee said.

(Huckabee, callers go toe-to-toe on immigration, Arkansas News Bureau, 02/03/2005)

Exhibit B: Huckabee promotes "open door" policy at LULAC convention

LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life.


Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population."


The Republican governor, who many believe will run for president in 2008, also backed legislation that would have opened the door for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to receive college scholarships.

House Bill 1525 by Rep. Joyce Elliott, D-Little Rock, was approved by the House but eventually failed in the Senate. Huckabee reiterated Wednesday that he believes every child, regardless of their parent's immigration status, should have an opportunity to receive an education in the U.S.

"I ... believe that an education for every child is the most important single factor to give everyone to be their very best," he said.

(Huckabee promotes "open door" policy at LULAC convention, Arkansas News Bureau, 01/30/2005)

Exhibit C: Huckabee threatens to sue feds over ID rules

WASHINGTON (AP) — States are threatening to challenge in court and even disobey new orders from Congress to start issuing more uniform driver's licenses and verify the citizenship or legal status of people getting them.


"Governors are looking at all their options. If more than half of the governors agree we're not going down without a fight on this, Congress will have to consider changing this unfunded federal mandate," said Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, vice chairman of the National Governors Association. A Huckabee aide said the options include court action.

(States may disobey new ID rules, fight them in court, USA Today, 05/10/2005)

Exhibit D: Immigration group: Huckabee a 'disaster'

Groups that support a crackdown on illegal aliens haven't settled on their champion in the race for the White House, but there's little doubt which Republican scares them most — former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

"He was an absolute disaster on immigration as governor," said Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a group that played a major role in rallying the phone calls that helped defeat this year's Senate immigration bill. "Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens."

As Mr. Huckabee rises in the polls, his opponents are beginning to take shots at him on immigration. Just as problematic for the former Arkansas governor, however, is that the independent interest groups that track the issue are also giving him the once-over, and don't like what they see.

"Huckabee is the guy who scares the heck out of me," said Peter Gadiel, president of 9-11 Families for a Secure America, a group instrumental in fighting for the REAL ID Act that sets federal standards for driver's licenses.

(Immigration group: Huckabee a 'disaster', By Stephen Dinan, Washington Post, November 30, 2007)

Exhibit E: Illegals foes reject nod to Huckabee

Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist's endorsement of presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has spurred a backlash among illegal-immigration opponents who say the former Arkansas governor is soft on immigration enforcement.

"Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a path to citizenship for illegal aliens currently in the U.S. that would require a lifting of current penalties," said William Gheen, whose 25,000-member Americans for Legal Immigration sent mass mailings yesterday to more than 300 pro-enforcement groups.

"Huckabee has released an immigration plan that contains the deceptive 'touch back' provision that the pushers of amnesty tried on us in Washington this year," he said. "He wants to trick the nation by having illegal aliens leave for a day to pick up new papers at an office set up across the border and then walk right back."


Bob Wright, who heads the Patriots' Border Alliance, another Minuteman splinter group, said although Mr. Gilchrist helped move the issue of illegal entry into the U.S. "to it's rightful place on the national stage," his endorsement of Mr. Huckabee "is at best disturbing."

"While I believe it is possible for a professional politician to change his mind on a subject as he becomes more informed, I have serious doubts that is the case with Huckabee," Mr. Wright said. "His past rhetoric about the goals of Minutemen everywhere has been vicious — parroting the tired and discredited foolishness that an American citizen's desire to see the law enforced is somehow racist or xenophobic."


(Illegals foes reject nod to Huckabee, By Jerry Seper, The Washington Times, 12-13-2007)

Exhibit F: Corsi: Huckabee's tough talk on immigration doesn't match his record/ Mexican Consular Office Affair

"Huckabee has the same problem on immigration that Mitt Romney has -- and that is Mitt Romney and Huckabee, as governors, do not have a strong secure border record. And Huckabee's record is terrible," according to Jerome Corsi, an adamant border hawk. (be sure to go to the source and read the whole article)

I would argue that while Romney's record is less than stellar, he's head and shoulders above the duplicitous Huckster (whose record on immigration is detailed on this blog, just scroll down). While Romney tolerated sanctuary cities in his state, Huckabee encouraged them by rewarding illegal aliens with scholarships, discounted college tuition, and state benefits.

Huckabee also established a Mexican Consular office in Little Rock, which "increases the capacity of the Mexican state to bring attention, protection, and assistance to all of those living abroad, independently from their immigration status", according to Mexican ambassador Arturo Sarukhan. It also issues "matricula consular" cards, with which illegal aliens can open bank accounts and obtain other services.

In 2003, Huckabee (on a state-owned aircraft) to Mexico with Robert Trevino, who was the director of the League of United Latin American Citizens (aka LULAC) and Huckabee's "Economic Development adviser". There they met with Vincente Fox.

In 2006, Arkansas leased government office space, including furniture, to the Mexican government for $1 per year to house the Consular office until they built their own headquarters. It's unclear whether this subsidized lease was in violation of state law.

(Critics question Huckabee's role in establishing Mexican consulate in Little Rock, Legality of Huckabee's Mexican consulate deal questioned)

Exhibit G: 84 leaders of Immigration Enforcement Groups Rebuke Gilchrist's Endorsement of Huckabee

From Americans for Legal Immigration:


In reaction to Jim Gilchrist's (Co-Founder of Minutemen) lone endorsement of pro-amnesty Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee:

We, the undersigned, state that our organizations stand against racism and Amnesty for illegal aliens. Instead, we stand for the enforcement of our existing immigration laws, the securing of America's borders, and attrition enforcement.

We have dedicated our efforts to fighting illegal immigration and we are compelled to warn the American public about the immigration stance and record of Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee.

We denounce Jim Gilchrist's solo endorsement of a pro-amnesty and Open Borders candidate for President. Mr. Gilchrist does NOT speak for us!

Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens currently in the US, which would require a lifting of the current penalties.

Mike Huckabee is against ICE raids and decried them in his home state, when illegal aliens were arrested at companies that financially support his campaigns.

Mike Huckabee supports benefits for illegal aliens such as taxpayer subsidized in-state tuition.

Governor Huckabee also favors a "touchback" provision, which we feel is a trick to confuse voters. He would have illegal aliens leave for a day, pick up new papers, and then reenter the US LEGALLY, which is not the back of the immigration line! He has stated that illegal aliens could leave and "You do have a pathway to get back here legally that would take days, maybe weeks, not years."

Mike Huckabee supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty that failed in the US Senate and was rejected by a large majority of Americans. He stated that those who opposed the legislation are "driven by racism or nativism."

Mike Huckabee has distorted the goals of "attrition enforcement" and the positions of Mark Krikorian by adding visa expansions, expedited visas, and "touchback", which would counteract enforcement measures.

In truth, Mike Huckabee's stances on the illegal immigration issue are out of line with the vast majority of Americans.

Go to the source to see the impressive list of signatories, as it's too long to post here.

Exhibit H: WaPo Fact Checker: Three Pinocchios for Huckabee on Illegal Immigration

WaPo is link only.

Exhibit I: Huckabee: I can’t compromise on scholarships for illegals because “my soul will not let me” (video)

Count 2: Liberal on Taxes and Spending

Exhibit A: Huckabee's tax hikes and tax "cuts"


-Signed a sales tax hike in 1996 (Cato Policy Analysis No. 315, 09/03/98)

-Supported an internet sales tax in 2001 (Reuters, 02/23/04)

-Publicly opposed the repeal of a sales tax on groceries and medicine in 2002 (Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 09/11/02)

-Signed a gas tax in 1999 (Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 06/29/99)

-Signed cigarette tax hike in 2003 (Americans for Tax Reform 01/07/07)

-Signed a bed tax on private nursing home patients in 2001 (Associated Press 06/29/01)

-Proposed a sales take hike in 2002 (Arkansas News Bureau 12/05/02)

-Opposed a congressional measure to ban internet taxes in 2003 (Arkansas News Bureau 11/21/03)

-Allowed a 17% sales tax increase to become law in 2004 (The Gurdon Times 03/02/04)


When questioned on the taxes hikes he was responsible for during his tenure as governor (a whopping inflation-adjusted sum of $505 million, according to the Arkansas Democrat Gazette), his response is usually that he cut taxes 90 times.

The only real cut he made was $90.6 million in 1997. The rest of his "cuts" were minor adjustments and exemptions. Here are some examples:


-Authorized tax-exempt bonds for fire-ant abatement (-$100,000)

-Exempted residential lawn care from the sales tax (-$210,000)

-Exempted Heifer International from the sales tax (-$60,000)

-Exempted some county fairs from the special-events sales tax (-$15,000)


-Exempted equipment used to produce sod, grass and nursery products from the sales tax (-$200,000)

-Repealed the 20 percent tax on bingo admissions and cards (-$200,000)


-Reduced taxes on bets made on horse races at Oaklawn Park (-$1,700, 000)

-Reduced taxes on bets made at Southland Greyhound Park (-$600,000)


-Exempted some health-club services from the sales tax (-$160,000)

-Gave income-tax credits to biodiesel wholesalers (-$200,000)


-Granted an income-tax deduction for organ donation (-$76,000)

-Exempted Arkansas Symphony Orchestra purchases from the sales tax (-$20,530)

Net difference:

These 90 cuts amount to a total of $378 million. On the other side of the ledger, Huckabee's 21 tax hikes amount to a total of $883 million, a net difference of $505 million. The average taxpayer's annual tax burden grew from $1,969 in 1997 to $2,902 in 2005.

(source: Arkansas Democrat Gazette)

Exhibit B: Spending under Huckabee

According to this doc, under Huckabee’s tenure as gov, spending on Health and Human Services (aka welfare) in Arkansas went from $2.44 billion in 1997 to $4.65 billion in 2006, a 92% increase. (see pages 130-131 of the .pdf file). He claims most of the increases were for roads and education. Education increased from $1.81 billion in 1997 to 3.04 billion in 2006 (a 68% increase, 24% less than the HHS increase), but transportation spending actually decreased from $677 million in 1997 to $320 million in 2006, a 53% decrease.

Overall spending increased at three times the rate of inflation. (source)

Exhibit C: Huckabee refuses to endorse President Bush's veto of SCHIP, aka HillaryCare Lite (source)

Exhibit D: Huckabee earns a D on fiscal policy from the Cato Institute

Exhibit E: Huckabee on Global Warming: Huckabee supports cap-in-trade system (source)

Count 3: Soft on Crime

Exhibit A: Huckabee granted more clemencies than all neighboring states combined

If you're wondering how Gov. Huckabee's hundreds of clemencies compare with neighboring states, get ready for a shocker.

Huckabee leads the pack.

He has issued more commutations and pardons than all of the six neighboring states combined.

Governors seldom reduce sentences in other states – and almost never for murderers serving life without parole or for rapists or for habitual drunk drivers, while in Arkansas it's a regular habit with Huckabee.

Other governors use their clemency power only rarely, while Huckabee has made it routine. As we've told you before, he has issued more than 700 pardons and commutations during his eight years in office – more than 137 this year alone – and more than his three predecessors combined.

Here are the figures for neighboring states since 1996, when Huckabee took office (and keep in mind the population of these states is nearly 20 times ours):

-Louisiana – 213
-Mississippi – 24
-Missouri – 79.
-Oklahoma – 178.
-Tennessee – 32.
-Texas – 98 (includes 36 inmates released because they were convicted on drug charges with planted evidence).

Total: 624 vs. Huckabee's 703.

Governors in neighboring states almost never grant killers clemency, while Huckabee has commuted the sentences of a dozen murderers.


Governors in the states we studied grant clemencies only on special occasions, such as when they leave office. Last January, after Mississippi Gov. Ronnie Musgrove, a Democrat, lost his re-election bid, he issued 16 clemencies, and there was a huge outcry. That's how many Huckabee averages per month.

By contrast, Haley Barbour, Mississippi's new Republican governor, has issued no clemencies all year, nor has Kathleen Babineaux Blanco, Louisiana's new governor, a Democrat.

In Tennessee, Gov. Phil Bredesen, a Democrat, has issued no clemencies since he took office in January 2003.


(Arkansas clemencies outpace other states, Garrick Feldman, The Arkansas Leader 08-11-04)

Exhibit B: Wayne DuMond

Mom: 'Carol Sue Would Be Alive Today' If Not for Huckabee

A Missouri mother says she will do "whatever it takes" to stop former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee from becoming president, because he freed the man who went on to rape and murder her daughter, Carol Sue Shields.


Wayne Dumond was initially sentenced to life plus 25 years for raping a 17-year-old Arkansas high school cheerleader. In 1999, a parole board voted to free Dumond, after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee announced his desire to see him released.

A former parole board member tells ABC News that Huckabee exerted strong pressure on the board to release Dumond.

(Mom: 'Carol Sue Would Be Alive Today' If Not for Huckabee, Brian Ross and Anna Schecter, The Blotter at ABC News, 12-04-2007)

Exhibit C: Glen Green

Why parole a monster like Green


Green, a 22-year-old sergeant, kidnapped Helen Lynette Spencer on Little Rock Air Force Base, where he beat and kicked her as he tried to rape her in a secluded area. She broke loose and ran toward the barracks' parking lot, where he caught up with her and beat her with a pair of nunchucks.

He then stuffed her into the trunk of his car and left her there while he cleaned up. Several hours later, he drove down Graham Road, past Loop Road and stopped near a bridge in Lonoke County. Green told investigators he put her body in the front seat and raped her because her body was still warm.

He dragged Spencer out of his vehicle and put her in front of the car and ran over her several times, going back and forth. He then collected himself long enough to dump her body in Twin Prairie Bayou.

This is what the Rev. Johnny Jackson, interim pastor at Bethel Baptist Church in Jacksonville, calls an accident, and apparently Huckabee believes him.

"There is no doubt in my mind that he could kill again," warns Pulaski County Prosecutor Larry Jegley.

The crime started out in his jurisdiction and ended in Lonoke County, where Prosecutor Lona McCastlain has also spoken out against the clemency.

"Life means life," she said, referring to Green's sentence after he plead guilty to Spencer's kidnapping, rape and murder.


(Why parole a monster like Green, Garrick Feldman, The Arkansas Leader, 07-21-04)

Count 4: Naive, Liberal, and Wrong on Foreign Policy

Exhibit A: Called our foreign policy an "arrogant bunker mentality", blames terrorism on economic conditions, thinks diplomacy and foreign aid will solve every problem

Huckabee's 'Clueless' Foreign Policy


More than anything, Huckabee's essay is startling in its incoherence, and it has something within it to scare off any faction of the conservative movement. To those who remain supportive of President Bush and believe he has helped keep us safe since Sept. 11, Huckabee writes that "the Bush administration's arrogant bunker mentality has been counterproductive at home and abroad." He goes on to echo liberal talking points in criticizing Bush for his handling of Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and Al Qaeda. For those conservatives who believe that Iran does not deserve to be awarded with diplomatic ties to the U.S. given its "a world without America" and "wipe Israel off the map" rhetoric—not to mention funding of terrorist activities directed at Americans in Iraq—Huckabee thinks we should talk with the Islamist government, because "When one stops talking to a parent or a friend, differences cannot be resolved and relationships cannot move forward. The same is true for countries." I'm sure there are some non-interventionist conservatives who may agree with Huckabee's criticisms of the Bush administration for being overly macho, and needlessly confrontational with Iran. Yet what they have to look forward to in a Huckabee administration would be continued U.S. presence in Iraq, possible air strikes on Pakistan, a larger military, and a foreign aid program that would make Lyndon Johnson's Great Society look like a trivial domestic initiative. "We must first destroy existing terrorist groups and then attack the underlying conditions that breed them: the lack of basic sanitation, health care, education, jobs, a free press, fair courts -- which all translates into a lack of opportunity and hope," Huckabee writes. "The United States' strategic interests as the world's most powerful country coincide with its moral obligations as the richest."


(Huckabee's 'Clueless' Foreign Policy, Philip Klein, The American Spectator, 12-15-2007)

Exhibit B: Just like Barack Obama, Huckabee Wants to negotiate with Iran and invade Pakistan

Tin Mike


Just as Huckabee has cited executions in Arkansas as evidence that he was not as soft on criminals as the rest of his record strongly suggests, his defenders have pointed to examples of tough foreign policy statements he has made to argue that he is not as weak-kneed on national security as he seems. "I would prefer to skip the next attack [on the United States] and the exasperated fury it will rightly generate and cut to the chase by going after Al Qaeda's safe haven in Pakistan," Huckabee said at a September speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But vacillating from one extreme to the other is not an example of intelligent foreign policy -- it's indicative of inexperience. Wasn't it just a few months ago that conservatives were slamming Barack Obama for wanting to negotiate with Iran and invade Pakistan?


(Tin Mike, Philip Klein, The American Spectator, 12/12/2007)

Count 5: Ethical Lapses

Exhibit A: Fiscal malfeasance

-Used campaign funds to pay himself $14,000 for being his own media consultant.

-Used campaign funds to pay himself $43,000 for use of his private plane while attempting to hide what the payment was actually in return for.

-Used an account set up to cover operational costs of the governor's mansion to pay such obviously personal expenses as fast-food and dry-cleaning bills.

-Set up a nonprofit organization that paid him $23,500 without disclosing the source of the money.

-Attempted to take $70,000 of furniture with him when moving out of the governor's mansion.

-Took more than 130 gifts worth more than $300,000 – while suing to overturn a law that made him disclose the gifts.

(source: Meet the Huckster, San-Diego Union-Tribune Editorial, December 3, 2007)

Exhibit B: Cover-up of son's criminal depravity

This is in regards to Huckabee's son torturing and killing a dog, and Huckabee's subsequent cover-up.

News-Weak is link-only.

Count 6: Flip-Flopping on Abortion as a State vs. Federal issue


Huckabee said it was preposterous to say that such a deep moral issue should be left up to the states. If abortion is immoral in one state it is immoral in all of them, he said. He was “shocked” at Thompson’s stance. He claimed that he had always believed in a federal ban on abortions.

But a short time earlier Huckabee had sat down with the conservative essayist John Hawkins for a long conversation about the issues. He was asked about abortion. Huckabee said the legality of abortion should not be settled at the national level but should be left up to the states. This is the direct quote from the transcript, which until recently you could access on the Huckabee presidential campaign website:

“I’ve never felt that it was a legitimate manner in which to address this and, first of all, it should be left to the states, the 10th Amendment. . .” The 10th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution is the states-rights doctrine.


(Huck flip flops, Editorial, The Arkansas Leader, November 28, 2007)

Count 7: Damage to the Republican Party and Conservative Movement


Betsy Hagan, Arkansas director of the conservative Eagle Forum and a key backer of his early runs for office, was once "his No. 1 fan." She was bitterly disappointed with his record. "He was pro-life and pro-gun, but otherwise a liberal," she says. "Just like Bill Clinton he will charm you, but don't be surprised if he takes a completely different turn in office."

Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum, is even more blunt. "He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party a shambles," she says. "Yet some of the same evangelicals who sold us on George W. Bush as a 'compassionate conservative' are now trying to sell us on Mike Huckabee."


(Another Man From Hope: Who is Mike Huckabee?,, 10-26-07)

Count 8: Endorsed by the NEA

Huckabee is endorsed by the National Education Association. What else needs to be said?


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To: donnab


51 posted on 01/14/2008 7:42:05 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: MrArbitrage123
Who knows why the NEA endorsed Hucjabee.

Because of his opposition to vouchers/ school choice. They said so themselves.

52 posted on 01/14/2008 7:43:32 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Your facility for lying is approaching that of your candidate.

Fred did NOT date Margaret Carlson. That was wishful thinking on her part.

53 posted on 01/14/2008 7:44:23 PM PST by Politicalmom (I'm the aunt of a brand-new Naval Officer. I'm proud of you, Kristi.)
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To: lesser_satan

Looks like you put a lot of work into this.

If Huckabee fizzles, his followers will be looking for another prolife evangelical to fill the void. Hunter fits that bill, no one else in the race is evangelical.

The GOP doesn’t get it. They need to let this faction find a home. The amount of invective aimed at evangelicals is surprising, but then everyone wants their votes.

Huckabee has surged because he won a couple of debates and he’s got evangelical support. If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.

Prolife evangelicals will be very comfortable in Hunter’s camp, since he’s a prolife evangelical staunch conservative.





On Poll Results and the End of Conservatism

54 posted on 01/14/2008 7:51:39 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter won't "let some arrogant corporate media executive decide whether this campaign's over)
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To: lesser_satan

Thank you. This alone should ring alarms.
Mike the Huckster...unethically hopeful.

55 posted on 01/14/2008 7:52:58 PM PST by donnab (ordinary men and women do extraordinary us.)
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To: lesser_satan


56 posted on 01/14/2008 7:57:03 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (GIANT SUCKING SOUND AT LAMBEAU FIELD)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You’re most welcome.

57 posted on 01/14/2008 7:58:00 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: lesser_satan

I didn’t see you hit it hre, but he is also anti-freedom. He supported a smoking ban in Arkansas and has said he would “love” to sign a ntionwide smoking ban. Shouldn’t individual businesses be free to make that choice?

I am looking for a pro-America, pro-Freedom candidate. I am not very encouraged by any of the lead pack.

58 posted on 01/14/2008 8:02:04 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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To: Hawk1976

Yeah, I forgot about that. I’ll revise it and post an updated version tomorrow.

59 posted on 01/14/2008 8:04:37 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: lesser_satan
Thanks! There's a lot of goodies on that site too. This little piece says it all"

"Mark Steyn weighs in on the Dope from Hope's utter incompetence regarding immigration!"

Mark nailed this one too!

I don't know who came up with the "Dope from Hope" but it's hilarious! I also think he's a fraud.

60 posted on 01/14/2008 8:12:43 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: NRA2BFree

I’m not sure if I’m the first to use it, but I kept thinking of Jesse Jackson saying “HOPE, NOT DOPE”, and that was how I came up with it.

61 posted on 01/14/2008 8:15:20 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: lesser_satan
I’m not sure if I’m the first to use it, but I kept thinking of Jesse Jackson saying “HOPE, NOT DOPE”, and that was how I came up with it.

That's very clever of you. Speaking of dopes, JJ's a pretty big dope himself. I hope the dope isn't supporting the dope from Hope? LOL ;o)

62 posted on 01/14/2008 8:23:38 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Kevmo

I am a staunch prolife evangelical Christian conservative, and I want nothing to do with Mike Huckabee. He is a complete fraud ala Jimmy Carter.

My first choice would be Duncan Hunter, but he has never gotten any traction. Fred Thompson is my second choice. He is much more conservative than Mike Huckabee, despite his flaws.

Huckabee hasn’t really been exposed to the masses for the true moderate that he is yet. The media has been carrying his water. Once people see who he is, his support will wane. Hopefully, it will be before it’s too late.

I am tired of people trying to redefine “conservative.” Huckabee isn’t conservative by any accurate definition.

63 posted on 01/14/2008 8:29:16 PM PST by Tex Pete
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To: NRA2BFree
Speaking of dopes, JJ's a pretty big dope himself. I hope the dope isn't supporting the dope from Hope? LOL ;o)

If Huck gets the nomination on the R side and anybody other than Barack gets it on the D side, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Jackson support the Huckster in the general.

64 posted on 01/14/2008 8:30:13 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: lesser_satan
This excellent compilation is a service to conservatives and to the nation. The sheer volume should give any conservative who is considering voting for Huckabee pause.

If you are a Christian socialist, Mike may be your man. If you are a Christian conservative, please don’t fall for the redefining of our principles which he has offered in lieu of a genuine conservative record.

As Reagan said...”Trust but verify”.
It applies to candidates as well as nations.

As Fred Thompson said...”When we stray, we pay”...
And we’ve paid enough.

65 posted on 01/14/2008 8:33:33 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
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To: Route66

I really don't get his appeal either. If anybody else had a record like his, the same people who are supporting him now wouldn't give him the time of day. He could be caught in bed with a live boy, a dead girl, and several animals all at the same time, and some here would attempt to explain it away.

Maybe I should get ordained, I could probably get away with bank robbery.

66 posted on 01/14/2008 8:44:02 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Tex Pete


67 posted on 01/14/2008 9:20:33 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: lesser_satan
(Arkansas Senate Bill 206 would have denied state benefits to illegal aliens, required proof of citizenship to vote, and require state agencies to report illegal aliens.)

Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, "I don't understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state," Huckabee said.

You had me at Count 1: Exhibit A. This guy is dangerous.

68 posted on 01/14/2008 9:22:59 PM PST by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished
There's more stuff at The REAL Mike Huckabee Blog.
69 posted on 01/14/2008 9:32:42 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
Dating Margaret Carlson, yeah, that Margaret Carlson. “True” conservative, right! Only took him six years to decide to marry his current wife. That’s decisive decision making.

Yours is possibly the single stupidest post I've ever read on this site.

Someone DATES someone who's not a conservative (uh, like your boy Huckabee--not?) and that means they're not a conservative?

He dates someone before deciding to marry and that somehow is telling of their political conservatism? Hmm, what about the divorced Ronald Reagan?

Huckabee is a liberal, and you are trying so hard to paint Fred as one to deflect.

The reason Fred is stealing votes from Huckabee is simple: people are realizing Huckabee isn't a conservative, and Fred is. Truth hurts.

70 posted on 01/14/2008 9:55:11 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist who will vote Fred in the primary, Republican in November)
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To: Swordfished

Fred Thompson: Not So Conservative?

Fred Thompson on Immigration

Voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted YES on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Opposes amnesty in any form. (Jun 2007)
Nation loses sovereignty if it cannot secure its own borders. (Apr 2007)

How conservative is Fred Thompson?

71 posted on 01/14/2008 11:05:31 PM PST by SoulSearching
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To: SoulSearching

Fred Thompson Is A Fiscal Liberal

Senator Ernest Hollings (D-SC) offered an amendment to S.J.R. 5 which would require congressional approval of any U.S. international trade agreements that amend or repeal U.S. laws. The amendment reads, in full: “No international trade agreement which would in effect amend or repeal statutory law of the United States law may be implemented by or in the United States until the agreement is approved by the Congress.” As Senator Hollings noted during consideration of the amendment, “This is constitutional language, that no international agreement that would, in effect, amend or repeal statutory law can be implemented until approved by the Congress. Under the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, it is the duty of the Congress to regulate foreign commerce – not the executive branch…” Despite the constitutional mandate, the Senate approved on March 5, 1997 a motion to table (Kill) the Hollings amendment by a vote of 84 to 16. (Congressional Record, page S1970, roll call 25). Fred Thompson voted FOR this motion to table.

Fred Thompson voted FOR an amendment to extend Supplemental Security Income and food stamp benefits to illegal immigrants (Congressional Record, page S4068, roll call 58)

Fred Thompson voted FOR putting the federal government’s spend-a-thon on auto-pilot at the previous year’s funding level if Congress and the President fail to pass a budget by the start of the next fiscal year. (Congressional Record, page S4172, roll call 61)

Senator Tim Hutchinson (R-AR) presented an amendment that would have required congressional approval before President Clinton could designate any rivers under the American Heritage Rivers Initiative (part of the UNESCO Biosphere land grabs) he established by Executive Order on September 11th. Senator Hutchinson explained that “we have allowed the executive branch, through various Executive Orders, to usurp what is legitimately and constitutionally our right and our responsibility. This amendment represents one small area where we can say that the President has issued and Executive Order, and we now will ensure that we have the right of review.” The Senate agreed to a motion to table (kill) the Hutchinson amendment on September 18, 1997 by a vote of 57 to 42. (Congressional Record, page S9553, roll call 247). Fred Thompson voted FOR the motion.

Fred Thompson voted FOR David Satcher for Surgeon Genenal. The position had been unfilled for about four years and could have remained so. David Satcher was particularly unsuitable for the position because he supports partial-birth abortion and the use of tax dollars for needle exchange programs for drug addicts. (Congressional Record, pages S12094-95, roll call 298)

Fred Thompson’s voted AGAINST a “motion to table” the anti-free speech campaign finance “reform” bill. His ONE VOTE could have stopped one of the worst assaults on conservative free speech in history. (Congressional Record, page S906, roll call 12)

Fred Thompson voted FOR a bill that imposed a $1.1 Billion unfunded mandate upon the states for the payment of food stamps to illegal immigrants. (Congressional Record, page S4680, roll call 129)

Fred Thompson voted FOR a omnibus budget bill that restored funding to the liberal programs promoted by Bill Clinton. Republicans had cut AmeriCorps, Corporation for National and Community Service, Goals 2000, Community Oriented Policing Services, Department of Commerce’s Advanced Technology Program, Community Development Financial Institutions, Council on Environmental Quality, and a host of other welfare state programs. Fred Thompson is one of those responsible for undermining the Republican commitment to fiscal responsibility and is one of those primarily to blame for the fiscal mess Republican’s now face. (Congressional Record, pages S4159-60, roll call 89)

Fred Thompson voted for a bill that was so laden with earmarks and abuses that even John McCain called it “the largest pork barrel spending bill ever written” and the ultra-liberal Representative David Obey (D-WI) was forced to admit that it was “a veritable pork bonanza.” (Congressional Record, page S5417, roll call 147)

Fred Thompson voted AGAINST separate male and female military training and barracks. (Congressional Record, page S7156, roll call 180)

Fred Thompson voted FOR a bill to require all gun dealers to supply trigger locks with all guns sold. (Congressional Record, page S8634, roll call 215)

Fred Thompson voted AGAINST eliminating the Marriage Penalty in Tax Code. (Congressional Record, page S9177, roll call 242)

Fred Thompson voted for a budget plan which would cause an increase in the national debt by more than $1 TRILLION over six years, and increases in total federal government spending by several hundred Billion annually by 2002 and allowing the stealing from temporary surpluses in trust funds like Social Security. (Congressional Record, page S6186, roll call 159)

Fred Thompson voted AGAINST a bill that would have cut funding to the Legal Services Corporation. Senator Lauch Faircloth (R-NC) lamented that the Legal Services Corporation “is nothing more than an entitlement program for activist lawyers. We simply subsidize them and pay them.” (Congressional Record, page S14617, roll call 476)

Fred Thompson voted FOR Senator John Kerry’s amendment that continued public funding of Presidential elections. (Congressional Record, pages S7349-50)

Fred Thompson voted FOR more than $12.2 Billion per year in unconstitutional foreign aid programs during fiscal 1996 to 2002. (Congressional Record, page S8946, roll call 248)

Fred Thompson voted FOR a minimum wage increase. (Congressional Record, S9527, roll call 265)

72 posted on 01/14/2008 11:12:20 PM PST by SoulSearching
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To: lesser_satan
If Huck gets the nomination on the R side and anybody other than Barack gets it on the D side, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Jackson support the Huckster in the general.

We've got to do everything we can to keep him from getting the nomination. He is a loose cannon, and that makes him dangerous. He's dishonest, which disturbes me since he claims to be a Christian. So, you don't think Jackasson would support Hillary? I thought he was a big supporter of President Clinton. I seem to remember him having open access to the White House.

73 posted on 01/14/2008 11:13:46 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: SoulSearching

Huckabee Verses The Establishment

74 posted on 01/14/2008 11:57:07 PM PST by SoulSearching
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To: lesser_satan

75 posted on 01/15/2008 5:37:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: Tex Pete

I am tired of people trying to redefine “conservative.”
***So am I.

The Conservative Wing of Free Republic.

76 posted on 01/15/2008 6:29:30 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter won't "let some arrogant corporate media executive decide whether this campaign's over)
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