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Diebold Again: Did Hillary Really Win New Hampshire?
Baltimore Chronicle ^ | January 14, 2008 | Dave Lindorff

Posted on 01/14/2008 6:34:25 PM PST by Lorianne

Could someone have messed with the vote in New Hampshire?

That is what some people are wondering, after looking closely at the totals in the votes for surprise Democratic primary victor Hillary Clinton, and for Barack Obama, who placed instead of winning as all the polls had predicted he would. And thanks to candidate Dennis Kucinich, we are likely to find out. Kucinich today filed a request, and a required $2000 fee, to order up a manual recount of the machine ballots cast in the state.

Polls taken as late as the day before the Tuesday vote showed Obama up by 10 to 15 points over Clinton, whom he had just beaten the week before in Iowa, but when the votes were counted, Clinton ended up beating Obama in New Hampshire 39.4 per cent to 36.8 per cent. In a replay of what happened in Ohio in 2004, exit polling reportedly also showed Obama to be winning the New Hampshire primary.

When that's not what happened, shocked polling firms and surprised pundits, all of whom had been expecting a big Obama win, were left stumbling for explanations for the Hillary comeback from an 8 per cent drubbing in Iowa (even the Clinton campaign, whose own internal polling had predicted her defeat, were at a loss). Explanations ranged from her teary eyed final public appearance before primary day and some sexist heckling she had received, to dark talk about a wave of hidden racism in the voting booth.

But there were anomalies in the numbers that have some people suggesting something else: vote fraud.

What has had eyebrows raised is a significant discrepancy between the vote counts done by voting machine, and the ones done by hand.

In New Hampshire, 81 per cent of the voting was done in towns and cities that had purchased optical scan machines from the Diebold Election Systems (now called Premiere Election Solutions), a division of Diebold Corp., a company founded by and still linked to wealthy right-wing investors. In those towns, all voting was done on the devices, called Accuvote machines, which read paper ballots completed by voters who use pens or pencils to fill in little ovals next to the candidate of their choice. The ballots are then fed into, read, and tallied by the machines. The other 19 per cent of voting was done in towns that had opted not to use the machine, and to use hand-counted paper ballots instead.

The machine tally was Clinton 39.6 per cent, Obama 36.3 per cent - fairly close to the final outcome. But the hand-counted ballot count broke significantly differently: Clinton 34.9 per cent, Obama 38.6 per cent.

Could something have happened in those machines to shift some votes away from Obama or some of the other candidates in the race, and over to the Clinton total?

If all the votes cast had split the way the hand counts split, Obama would have won New Hampshire by over 10,000 votes, instead of losing to Clinton by about 5500 votes.

"My suspicion is that nothing untoward happened here," says Doug Jones, a professor of computer sciences at the University of Iowa and a member of the board of examiners that approved the use of the same Diebold optical scanning machines in Iowa. "But at the same time, the Diebold machines are vulnerable to viruses that can be spread through the machines by the PCMCIA memory cards, and there are other things that can go wrong too. I'd be much happier if they had a routine random audit procedure in New Hampshire."

A random audit, he says, would involve doing hand counts of some towns' optical scan ballots, and comparing those results with the results of the machine reading of those same ballots, as recorded election night.

While California does conduct such random audits as a matter of course, most states, including New Hampshire, do not. According to the New Hampshire Secretary of State's office, any recount of ballots would have to be requested by a candidate, and would have to be paid for by the candidate making the request.

An official in the press office of Obama's campaign in Chicago, contacted on Wednesday, claimed not to know about the discrepancy between the machine and hand-counted ballots. She said that there was no plan to call for a hand count of machine ballots.

As Prof. Jones notes, requiring a candidate to initiate any hand count makes such hand counts unlikely, since unless the evidence of vote tampering or fraud is overwhelming, such a call would open the candidate to charges of "poor loser."

Kucinich, in making his recount request, resolved that problem.

There is good reason to be suspicious of the results. The counting of the machine totals, in New Hampshire as in all states using the Diebold machines, is handled by a private contract firm, in this case Massachusetts-based LHS Associates, which controls and programs the machines' memory cards. Several studies have demonstrated the ease with which the memory cards in the Accuvote machines can be hacked, with some testers breaking into the system in minutes.

There are, to be sure, alternative quite innocent possible explanations for the discrepancy between the machine and hand votes for Clinton and Obama. All the state's larger towns and cities, like Nashua, Concord and Portsmouth, have gone to voting machines. While there are many small communities that have also opted for machines, it is almost exclusively the smaller towns and villages across the state that have stayed with hand counts-most of them in the more rural northern part of the state. So if Obama did better than Clinton in the small towns, and Clinton did better in the large ones, that could be the answer.

But that explanation flies in the face of logic, historic voting patterns, and most of the post ­election prognosticating.

If it is true that there was "behind the curtain" racism involved in people saying to pollsters that they were for Obama, while privately voting against him, surely it would be more likely that this would happen in the isolated towns of northern New Hampshire where black people are rarely to be seen. Clinton was also said to have fared better among people with lower incomes-again a demographic that is more prominent in the rural parts of the Granite State. Finally, Obama, in New Hampshire as in Iowa, did better among younger voters, and that is the demographic group that is typically in shorter supply in small towns, where job opportunities are limited. Furthermore, in Iowa, it was in the larger municipalities that Obama fared best, not in the rural towns, so how likely is it that his geographic appeal would be reversed in New Hampshire?

David Scanlan, New Hampshire's deputy secretary of state for elections, whom I contacted Thursday, said that while town election officials are required to do test runs of the Diebold machines in the days before an election, "to make sure that they are reading the ballot markings accurately," and that at that point the machines and the memory cards are sealed until the actual election day, there is no way for his office to independently conduct a post balloting test. The ballot boxes are sealed and the only way they can be opened if for a candidate to request (and pay for) a manual recount, or for a court to order one." Scanlan says that the same is true for the voting machines and the memory cards. While the sealed ballots are retained "for years," however, the memory cards will be back in the hands of the contractor, LHS Associates, in "a few months," to be erased and prepared for use in the general election next November.

Scanlan says that the state legislature is currently considering legislation to provide for routine audits of machines after elections, but that won't help this election cycle.

Scanlan said that because the machines are freestanding, there is no chance of their being hacked from the outside, but critics note that the hacking can be done in advance to the memory cards, which can pass changes to each other like a virus as each is programmed for a particular election.

Jonathan Simon, an attorney and co-founder of the group Election Defense Alliance, says that the vote discrepancies between machine and hand counts in New Hampshire's Democratic primary are troubling, and defy easy explanation.

"The trouble is, whenever you have a surprise result in an election, and it runs counter to the polls, the media always say the problem is the polling, not the counting." But he adds, "The thing is, these things always work in one direction—in favor of the more conservative candidate, and that defies the law of quantum mechanics."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; diebold; electronicvoting; hillary; nh2008; obama; racism; voterfraud
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1 posted on 01/14/2008 6:34:26 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

It was Karl Rove in the flying saucer with the ray gun.

Problem solved!


2 posted on 01/14/2008 6:36:45 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

THAT was my biggest laugh of the day!

Thanks!


3 posted on 01/14/2008 6:38:14 PM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Lorianne

Yes. Somebody did a blog posted here earlier saying the same thing. Now it seems to be getting out into the newspapers—or at least one newspaper.


4 posted on 01/14/2008 6:40:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lorianne

5 posted on 01/14/2008 6:40:54 PM PST by sono (I'm an optimistic realist. I look at the glass half full and ask: "Are you're gonna drink that?")
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To: Cicero

Fear not! Billary’s lawyers are already there.


6 posted on 01/14/2008 6:42:07 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Lorianne
No problem ... just insert one of these little babies into the secret slot and VOILA !!! Instant 'change the vote' data corruption for your political pleasure:

What could be easier??? Call Now for yours -- operators are standing by.

7 posted on 01/14/2008 6:42:27 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Cicero

Ah, apologies. I see this is an electronic newspaper. And here’s the capsule bio of the author:

About the author: Philadelphia journalist Dave Lindorff is a 34-year veteran, an award-winning journalist, a former New York Times contributor, a graduate of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, a two-time Journalism Fulbright Scholar, and the co-author, with Barbara Olshansky, of a well-regarded book on impeachment, The Case for Impeachment. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net.


8 posted on 01/14/2008 6:42:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lorianne

I don’t think it was the Diebold machines, but I’ve been wondering about how Hillary won. Several reporters made comments on how so many out of staters were in NH that day, and my guess is Hillary bused a lot of people in, and I don’t think all those votes were totally legal.

I’ve noticed how all these Dems are coming out of the woodwork supporting Obama. I was wondering if a lot of Dem politicians might have behind the scenes ideas of how Hillary got those votes. The Dem politicians might know things they aren’t saying. They may not like Hillary or her methods either.


9 posted on 01/14/2008 6:45:30 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: All

Actually, I think it’s about time to use voting machines by
Colt, SW, Glock, or any other assorted manufacturer of your choice.


10 posted on 01/14/2008 6:48:33 PM PST by Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
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To: Alright_on_the_LeftCoast

so let me get this straight.....

1. there was a hand recount of all ballots for the dems

2. Obamma was the new winner in the new hand count

3. his campaign doesnt know about this....

4. the recount doesnt mean anything?


11 posted on 01/14/2008 6:53:22 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (What quantifies this as an assault rifle?)
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To: I still care

By the rules they could vote in NH if they said they might live there one day.


12 posted on 01/14/2008 6:54:27 PM PST by Ingtar (I find it amazing how deciding to run for president changes a man's stands on issues)
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To: Lorianne

This is typical for the the establishment Democrat political machine

In 1998 Dick Gephardt was the most powerful Democrat in nation with control of the party machine.

I was campaign manager for Dick Federer running against Gephardt. Jefferson county has the largest number of voters in Gephardts district. They lease the same counting machines as every other county. i was told by a long time Republican party county organizer and resident that if the voting machine count is close they are “known to go down forcing a hand count”. I was told 6 months prior. The race was close even Federer ahead at noon in St. Louis.

The machines went down (broke of course) and the votes were counted by 5 people, 3 Dems and 2 “Republicans”. The 2 Reps were previous Dems and the Rep judge was a lawyer with the firm that supports Geppy and in return receives sizable business from Geppy associates

Furthermore, the machines in St. Louis were hooked up to a phone line against the rules. We alerted officials nothing was done.

Get this, the noon count of all precincts (25-40%+ all votes)had Federer ahead by 3%. By 3pm it had been reversed, practically a statistical impossibility in this situation.

After this election Gephardt began making plans to leave office. it was his closest ever victory at 53%.


13 posted on 01/14/2008 6:54:31 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom...though it cost all you have get understanding" - Prov. 4)
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To: Lorianne

They took our vote away from Americans?

Oh, I’m sure it was for the common good.


14 posted on 01/14/2008 6:57:54 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Lorianne

This at least illustrates the only reason why anyone should be taking independent polls. If the polls are somewhat accurate, they could be used to possibly identify mass voter fraud. This really needs to be investigated. What if Hillary uses the same fraudulent techniques in the general ?


15 posted on 01/14/2008 7:05:19 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


16 posted on 01/14/2008 7:07:46 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: I still care

I think that we have to consider the effect of polls on the electorate. New Hampshire is a open primary. With it “obvious” that Obama was winning, independents probably went with McCain...Perhaps it’s a combination of factors


17 posted on 01/14/2008 7:10:31 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Mark Felton

“Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything.”


18 posted on 01/14/2008 7:13:50 PM PST by Samwise (Fred doesn't suffer fools or the media. Did I repeat myself?)
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To: Lorianne
Image hosted by Photobucket.com now wait a minute... i thought the Rats said diebold rigged elections for republicans???
19 posted on 01/14/2008 7:15:05 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Lorianne

As soon as Howard comes up with $57,600 and Kucinich pays $69,600 the recount will start.


20 posted on 01/14/2008 7:15:36 PM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Lorianne

You know, as much as I would love to see Hillery stomped into the dirt, vote wise, I really don’t think we should run elections by polls. Why not simply take a poll and determine the winner? Polls are BS for the most part and not to be relied on. Hillery may have cheated somehow, but probably didn’t. This is just another attempt to run things by the media and not by the wishes of the people.


21 posted on 01/14/2008 7:18:11 PM PST by calex59
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To: K-oneTexas
Did you say Billary?


22 posted on 01/14/2008 7:21:34 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Lorianne
Polls taken as late as the day before the Tuesday vote showed Obama up by 10 to 15 points over Clinton, whom he had just beaten the week before in Iowa, but when the votes were counted, Clinton ended up beating Obama in New Hampshire 39.4 per cent to 36.8 per cent. In a replay of what happened in Ohio in 2004, exit polling reportedly also showed Obama to be winning the New Hampshire primary.

Exit polling was off for Kerry in 2004 and it was off for Obama in 2008. Polling is not an exact science. This stuff happens.

23 posted on 01/14/2008 7:21:50 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Mark Felton

This is why it is important to have as many Republican election officials as possible: Secretaries of State, County Auditors, etc. To make sure the Dims don’t finagle with the ballots and steal the election.


24 posted on 01/14/2008 7:24:36 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

I took the story to mean that his campaign does know about it, but they don’t plan to do anything about it.


25 posted on 01/14/2008 7:28:33 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Lorianne
Absolutely. I am completely convinced that Hillary stole the election.

That's what I tell my moonbat friends, anyway. Drives 'em nuts. "Yeah, did you hear Bush really wants Hillary to be President? They've had it all arranged for years now. It's payback for the Clintons letting Gore get cheated in 2000."

I'm a bad person.

26 posted on 01/14/2008 7:30:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Lorianne
such a call would open the candidate to charges of "poor loser."

I don't recall any media outlets even hinting at labeling Gore a poor loser back in 2000.

27 posted on 01/14/2008 7:34:42 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Lorianne

Does anybody know if Kucinich’s recount requst is actually being done? I have heard nothing other than he requested one and will pay for it.


28 posted on 01/14/2008 7:35:37 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: eyedigress

Good one!


29 posted on 01/14/2008 7:36:12 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Lorianne
at first I thought this would be a long, drawn out, boring election cycle.

The 'long' and 'drawn out' still apply, but it's starting to be fun watching the liberals go after each other.

It's really fun watching them destroy each other because, for us, it's a win-win situation.

Barack Obama is Hillary's perfect nemesis. If he were Newt Gingrich, she would have already launched her 'heavy artillery' but Obama is on the liberals' endangered (political) species list and any negative she launches against him is going to backfire in her face (as it has already started doing).

I have stocked up on popcorn to consume during this oncoming political season just to watch how (if they can pull it off) the "Clinton Machine" can blow him out of their way.

I'm pretty sure Vince Foster must have under-estimated them until it was too late, but this time there are too many eyes and ears...all those pesky cell-phone cameras, etc.

The skill Hillary Clinton lacks most is being a human....she literally has no soul and it is so obvious and really creepy. Just watch her TV sound bites (even though they are heavily edited in her favor) she still comes off as a nasty vindictive witch.

She is like 'dry ice'.

The good news is that she is starting to scare people and the chances of her getting elected are rapidly diminishing.

Here's where it could get exciting. The Clintons will not accept defeat without using every 'political weapon' at their disposal....and we're talking about "Weapons of Mass Political Destruction".

We've all witnessed some of their stunts during the Clinton presidency, but now they are being backed into a corner and at some point they will have to show their 'fangs'. It won't be pretty.

30 posted on 01/14/2008 7:39:34 PM PST by capt. norm (Those who think logically provide a nice contrast to the real world.)
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To: Lorianne
Complaining about Diebold sounds like moonbat whining, here's the real reason Hillary squeaked out a victory in New Hampshire:


31 posted on 01/14/2008 7:41:36 PM PST by hunter112 (We need to have Hillary win the Rat nomination, it's that important.)
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To: Lorianne
Could something have happened in those machines to shift some votes away from Obama or some of the other candidates in the race, and over to the Clinton total?

Of course. Hillary's involved. Look for payoffs or dead bodies. Especially suicidal gunshots to the back of the head if the ones responsible show they're likely to squeal.
32 posted on 01/14/2008 7:43:58 PM PST by aruanan
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To: I still care

You are correct.

Look at Manchester Ward 9.

We (a Republican candidate) had a poll watcher at Manchester Ward 9. He saw a van arrive every 7 minutes dropping off a new load of mostly young girls. He overheard them talking among themselves about voting for Hillary. They had no purses, or backpacks or anything along those lines. They got on the “new voter” line, showed no ID whatsoever, filled out the affidavit they were asked to fill out, and voted.

If someone wanted to find voter fraud, they’d simply have to get the new voter affidavits from Manchester Ward 9 and try to match the names and addresses from the affidavits with live bodies on the ground.


33 posted on 01/14/2008 7:51:19 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: capt. norm

It won’t be pretty.

But the Republicans and “disenfranchised” will come out in droves and blow her out of the water in the general.


34 posted on 01/14/2008 7:55:47 PM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: aruanan

I am starting to like Kucininch.


35 posted on 01/14/2008 7:56:43 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Hunter Thompson in 08.)
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To: Lorianne
Senator Clinton: "We're going to take things votes away from you on behalf of the common good."
36 posted on 01/14/2008 7:57:03 PM PST by upchuck (Attention Senator Clinton: Lying Is Stupid When The Truth Is So Easy To Find)
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To: Cicero
I live in Baltimore and have never heard of this "paper." I think it is just a website.

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About the author: Philadelphia journalist Dave Lindorff is a 34-year veteran, an award-winning journalist, a former New York Times contributor, a graduate of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, a two-time Journalism Fulbright Scholar, and the co-author, with Barbara Olshansky, of a well-regarded book on impeachment, The Case for Impeachment. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net.

37 posted on 01/14/2008 8:01:42 PM PST by maica (Romney '08)
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To: Lorianne

After all the pi$$ing and moaning about Bush stealing the election from Gore - isn’t this just a wonderfully delicious bit of news?!?!? If only Republicans were involved, then it would make tha whilrd nuz tanite.


38 posted on 01/14/2008 8:04:53 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: I still care

Where would the Democrats be if buses hadn’t been invented? (We saw how they would fall apart, ala, Ray Nagin in New Orleans before Katrina).


39 posted on 01/14/2008 8:09:30 PM PST by murron
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To: Lorianne

All your vote are belong to us


40 posted on 01/14/2008 8:09:40 PM PST by fahraint (git theah fuhstest with the mostest)
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To: Lorianne

“...which can pass changes to each other like a virus as each is programmed for a particular election.”

%%%%%%

Can a camera’s memory card carry a “virus” to another camera? Each Voting Unit memory card is distinct, separate, locked and sealed inside each unit. A paper record is printed out at the beginning of the day, showing all vote counters at zero; the “zero record” remains attached inside the machine and the totals are printed out before the memory card is ever removed from the individual machine at the end of the election day. I have worked with these machines for 6 years.


41 posted on 01/14/2008 8:10:27 PM PST by maica (Romney '08)
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To: upchuck
Is it really voter fraud if the democrats do it to themselves?
42 posted on 01/14/2008 8:14:17 PM PST by lmsii (The reset button on the Constitution is the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The polls were spot on for the Republicans. Something stinks, and it’s not Bill’s cigar.


43 posted on 01/14/2008 8:23:16 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
What could be easier?

Why, simply insert this in the secret location -- 10011100010000

44 posted on 01/14/2008 8:35:51 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Lorianne

The tears were indeed fake. But it was done for a reason other than what has been talked about in the press.

The Clintons stole the election by busing in a huge amount of voters who registered on the day of the primary. They also had volunteers drift into New Hampshire during the previous 30 days and register.

Also, the phony story that was fed to the press of various precients running out of ballots was really a cover for throwing out Obama votes and adding pre-signed ballots for Clinton.

They knew that they had to make the press look elsewhere for a reason that there was a 13% difference in pre-polling numbers and the actual outcome. So they came up with the fake tears story line.

This may still come back to haunt them. Soros, who is backing Obama, is really the one putting up the money for the Kucinich recount. None of the other candidates can do it because it would be seen as paranoia. If Obama wins, Kucinich has been promised a Supreme Court seat.


45 posted on 01/14/2008 9:42:19 PM PST by shaft29
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To: lmsii
Is it really voter fraud if the democrats do it to themselves?*

I dunno. I'm too busy popping pop corn. This is gonna be a very amusing show.

* democrats do it to themselves... that makes my mind's eye ache.

46 posted on 01/14/2008 10:01:41 PM PST by upchuck (Attention Senator Clinton: Lying Is Stupid When The Truth Is So Easy To Find)
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To: Lorianne

I seem to be at odds with the majority of freepers here. I doubt there was any “election theft” involved, but I would be doing an audit in a minute in this situation if I were the state election official in charge.

Programming glitches happen. Ballot design for optical scanners is not completely foolproof. I’d get a few voting districts and hand count the results— as I understand that Kucinich requested.

If I were the guy in New Hampshire, and particularly if I were the guy at Diebold, I would be way out front on this move. If there is much more delay and then there turns out to be a problem, the state and the company will look like they are covering up and everybody involved is going to lose their jobs. Much better to be on the side of conducting the investigation.


47 posted on 01/14/2008 10:04:28 PM PST by VaFarmer
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To: AD from SpringBay

“After all the pi$$ing and moaning about Bush stealing the election from Gore”

They were only pissing and moaning about that election because the dems had rigged that election for gore to win, but they didn’t count on the election being a landslide so they only did a 3 for 1 transfer of votes instead of 4 to 1. So they were “certain” he must have stolen it.


48 posted on 01/14/2008 10:18:50 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: truthfreedom

Interesting observation, truthfreedom. I looked at the results by city/town. Clearly there was a focus on the balloting at the larger cities. Manchester, Nashua, Salem, and Rochester contributed 7471 more votes to Hillary than Obama, which is essentially the margin of victory (7667 votes). Makes you wonder if those buses made roving stops around NH.


49 posted on 01/14/2008 10:23:43 PM PST by cantweall
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To: Billthedrill

LOL - that’ll mess with their heads


50 posted on 01/14/2008 10:29:13 PM PST by RightGeek
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