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Diebold Again: Did Hillary Really Win New Hampshire?
Baltimore Chronicle ^ | January 14, 2008 | Dave Lindorff

Posted on 01/14/2008 6:34:25 PM PST by Lorianne

Could someone have messed with the vote in New Hampshire?

That is what some people are wondering, after looking closely at the totals in the votes for surprise Democratic primary victor Hillary Clinton, and for Barack Obama, who placed instead of winning as all the polls had predicted he would. And thanks to candidate Dennis Kucinich, we are likely to find out. Kucinich today filed a request, and a required $2000 fee, to order up a manual recount of the machine ballots cast in the state.

Polls taken as late as the day before the Tuesday vote showed Obama up by 10 to 15 points over Clinton, whom he had just beaten the week before in Iowa, but when the votes were counted, Clinton ended up beating Obama in New Hampshire 39.4 per cent to 36.8 per cent. In a replay of what happened in Ohio in 2004, exit polling reportedly also showed Obama to be winning the New Hampshire primary.

When that's not what happened, shocked polling firms and surprised pundits, all of whom had been expecting a big Obama win, were left stumbling for explanations for the Hillary comeback from an 8 per cent drubbing in Iowa (even the Clinton campaign, whose own internal polling had predicted her defeat, were at a loss). Explanations ranged from her teary eyed final public appearance before primary day and some sexist heckling she had received, to dark talk about a wave of hidden racism in the voting booth.

But there were anomalies in the numbers that have some people suggesting something else: vote fraud.

What has had eyebrows raised is a significant discrepancy between the vote counts done by voting machine, and the ones done by hand.

In New Hampshire, 81 per cent of the voting was done in towns and cities that had purchased optical scan machines from the Diebold Election Systems (now called Premiere Election Solutions), a division of Diebold Corp., a company founded by and still linked to wealthy right-wing investors. In those towns, all voting was done on the devices, called Accuvote machines, which read paper ballots completed by voters who use pens or pencils to fill in little ovals next to the candidate of their choice. The ballots are then fed into, read, and tallied by the machines. The other 19 per cent of voting was done in towns that had opted not to use the machine, and to use hand-counted paper ballots instead.

The machine tally was Clinton 39.6 per cent, Obama 36.3 per cent - fairly close to the final outcome. But the hand-counted ballot count broke significantly differently: Clinton 34.9 per cent, Obama 38.6 per cent.

Could something have happened in those machines to shift some votes away from Obama or some of the other candidates in the race, and over to the Clinton total?

If all the votes cast had split the way the hand counts split, Obama would have won New Hampshire by over 10,000 votes, instead of losing to Clinton by about 5500 votes.

"My suspicion is that nothing untoward happened here," says Doug Jones, a professor of computer sciences at the University of Iowa and a member of the board of examiners that approved the use of the same Diebold optical scanning machines in Iowa. "But at the same time, the Diebold machines are vulnerable to viruses that can be spread through the machines by the PCMCIA memory cards, and there are other things that can go wrong too. I'd be much happier if they had a routine random audit procedure in New Hampshire."

A random audit, he says, would involve doing hand counts of some towns' optical scan ballots, and comparing those results with the results of the machine reading of those same ballots, as recorded election night.

While California does conduct such random audits as a matter of course, most states, including New Hampshire, do not. According to the New Hampshire Secretary of State's office, any recount of ballots would have to be requested by a candidate, and would have to be paid for by the candidate making the request.

An official in the press office of Obama's campaign in Chicago, contacted on Wednesday, claimed not to know about the discrepancy between the machine and hand-counted ballots. She said that there was no plan to call for a hand count of machine ballots.

As Prof. Jones notes, requiring a candidate to initiate any hand count makes such hand counts unlikely, since unless the evidence of vote tampering or fraud is overwhelming, such a call would open the candidate to charges of "poor loser."

Kucinich, in making his recount request, resolved that problem.

There is good reason to be suspicious of the results. The counting of the machine totals, in New Hampshire as in all states using the Diebold machines, is handled by a private contract firm, in this case Massachusetts-based LHS Associates, which controls and programs the machines' memory cards. Several studies have demonstrated the ease with which the memory cards in the Accuvote machines can be hacked, with some testers breaking into the system in minutes.

There are, to be sure, alternative quite innocent possible explanations for the discrepancy between the machine and hand votes for Clinton and Obama. All the state's larger towns and cities, like Nashua, Concord and Portsmouth, have gone to voting machines. While there are many small communities that have also opted for machines, it is almost exclusively the smaller towns and villages across the state that have stayed with hand counts-most of them in the more rural northern part of the state. So if Obama did better than Clinton in the small towns, and Clinton did better in the large ones, that could be the answer.

But that explanation flies in the face of logic, historic voting patterns, and most of the post ­election prognosticating.

If it is true that there was "behind the curtain" racism involved in people saying to pollsters that they were for Obama, while privately voting against him, surely it would be more likely that this would happen in the isolated towns of northern New Hampshire where black people are rarely to be seen. Clinton was also said to have fared better among people with lower incomes-again a demographic that is more prominent in the rural parts of the Granite State. Finally, Obama, in New Hampshire as in Iowa, did better among younger voters, and that is the demographic group that is typically in shorter supply in small towns, where job opportunities are limited. Furthermore, in Iowa, it was in the larger municipalities that Obama fared best, not in the rural towns, so how likely is it that his geographic appeal would be reversed in New Hampshire?

David Scanlan, New Hampshire's deputy secretary of state for elections, whom I contacted Thursday, said that while town election officials are required to do test runs of the Diebold machines in the days before an election, "to make sure that they are reading the ballot markings accurately," and that at that point the machines and the memory cards are sealed until the actual election day, there is no way for his office to independently conduct a post balloting test. The ballot boxes are sealed and the only way they can be opened if for a candidate to request (and pay for) a manual recount, or for a court to order one." Scanlan says that the same is true for the voting machines and the memory cards. While the sealed ballots are retained "for years," however, the memory cards will be back in the hands of the contractor, LHS Associates, in "a few months," to be erased and prepared for use in the general election next November.

Scanlan says that the state legislature is currently considering legislation to provide for routine audits of machines after elections, but that won't help this election cycle.

Scanlan said that because the machines are freestanding, there is no chance of their being hacked from the outside, but critics note that the hacking can be done in advance to the memory cards, which can pass changes to each other like a virus as each is programmed for a particular election.

Jonathan Simon, an attorney and co-founder of the group Election Defense Alliance, says that the vote discrepancies between machine and hand counts in New Hampshire's Democratic primary are troubling, and defy easy explanation.

"The trouble is, whenever you have a surprise result in an election, and it runs counter to the polls, the media always say the problem is the polling, not the counting." But he adds, "The thing is, these things always work in one direction—in favor of the more conservative candidate, and that defies the law of quantum mechanics."

TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; diebold; electronicvoting; hillary; nh2008; obama; racism; voterfraud
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1 posted on 01/14/2008 6:34:26 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

It was Karl Rove in the flying saucer with the ray gun.

Problem solved!

2 posted on 01/14/2008 6:36:45 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

THAT was my biggest laugh of the day!


3 posted on 01/14/2008 6:38:14 PM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Lorianne

Yes. Somebody did a blog posted here earlier saying the same thing. Now it seems to be getting out into the newspapers—or at least one newspaper.

4 posted on 01/14/2008 6:40:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lorianne

5 posted on 01/14/2008 6:40:54 PM PST by sono (I'm an optimistic realist. I look at the glass half full and ask: "Are you're gonna drink that?")
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To: Cicero

Fear not! Billary’s lawyers are already there.

6 posted on 01/14/2008 6:42:07 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Lorianne
No problem ... just insert one of these little babies into the secret slot and VOILA !!! Instant 'change the vote' data corruption for your political pleasure:

What could be easier??? Call Now for yours -- operators are standing by.

7 posted on 01/14/2008 6:42:27 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: Cicero

Ah, apologies. I see this is an electronic newspaper. And here’s the capsule bio of the author:

About the author: Philadelphia journalist Dave Lindorff is a 34-year veteran, an award-winning journalist, a former New York Times contributor, a graduate of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, a two-time Journalism Fulbright Scholar, and the co-author, with Barbara Olshansky, of a well-regarded book on impeachment, The Case for Impeachment. His work is available at

8 posted on 01/14/2008 6:42:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lorianne

I don’t think it was the Diebold machines, but I’ve been wondering about how Hillary won. Several reporters made comments on how so many out of staters were in NH that day, and my guess is Hillary bused a lot of people in, and I don’t think all those votes were totally legal.

I’ve noticed how all these Dems are coming out of the woodwork supporting Obama. I was wondering if a lot of Dem politicians might have behind the scenes ideas of how Hillary got those votes. The Dem politicians might know things they aren’t saying. They may not like Hillary or her methods either.

9 posted on 01/14/2008 6:45:30 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: All

Actually, I think it’s about time to use voting machines by
Colt, SW, Glock, or any other assorted manufacturer of your choice.

10 posted on 01/14/2008 6:48:33 PM PST by Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
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To: Alright_on_the_LeftCoast

so let me get this straight.....

1. there was a hand recount of all ballots for the dems

2. Obamma was the new winner in the new hand count

3. his campaign doesnt know about this....

4. the recount doesnt mean anything?

11 posted on 01/14/2008 6:53:22 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (What quantifies this as an assault rifle?)
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To: I still care

By the rules they could vote in NH if they said they might live there one day.

12 posted on 01/14/2008 6:54:27 PM PST by Ingtar (I find it amazing how deciding to run for president changes a man's stands on issues)
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To: Lorianne

This is typical for the the establishment Democrat political machine

In 1998 Dick Gephardt was the most powerful Democrat in nation with control of the party machine.

I was campaign manager for Dick Federer running against Gephardt. Jefferson county has the largest number of voters in Gephardts district. They lease the same counting machines as every other county. i was told by a long time Republican party county organizer and resident that if the voting machine count is close they are “known to go down forcing a hand count”. I was told 6 months prior. The race was close even Federer ahead at noon in St. Louis.

The machines went down (broke of course) and the votes were counted by 5 people, 3 Dems and 2 “Republicans”. The 2 Reps were previous Dems and the Rep judge was a lawyer with the firm that supports Geppy and in return receives sizable business from Geppy associates

Furthermore, the machines in St. Louis were hooked up to a phone line against the rules. We alerted officials nothing was done.

Get this, the noon count of all precincts (25-40%+ all votes)had Federer ahead by 3%. By 3pm it had been reversed, practically a statistical impossibility in this situation.

After this election Gephardt began making plans to leave office. it was his closest ever victory at 53%.

13 posted on 01/14/2008 6:54:31 PM PST by Mark Felton ("Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom...though it cost all you have get understanding" - Prov. 4)
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To: Lorianne

They took our vote away from Americans?

Oh, I’m sure it was for the common good.

14 posted on 01/14/2008 6:57:54 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Lorianne

This at least illustrates the only reason why anyone should be taking independent polls. If the polls are somewhat accurate, they could be used to possibly identify mass voter fraud. This really needs to be investigated. What if Hillary uses the same fraudulent techniques in the general ?

15 posted on 01/14/2008 7:05:19 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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16 posted on 01/14/2008 7:07:46 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: I still care

I think that we have to consider the effect of polls on the electorate. New Hampshire is a open primary. With it “obvious” that Obama was winning, independents probably went with McCain...Perhaps it’s a combination of factors

17 posted on 01/14/2008 7:10:31 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Mark Felton

“Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything.”

18 posted on 01/14/2008 7:13:50 PM PST by Samwise (Fred doesn't suffer fools or the media. Did I repeat myself?)
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To: Lorianne
Image hosted by now wait a minute... i thought the Rats said diebold rigged elections for republicans???
19 posted on 01/14/2008 7:15:05 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Lorianne

As soon as Howard comes up with $57,600 and Kucinich pays $69,600 the recount will start.

20 posted on 01/14/2008 7:15:36 PM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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