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Ron Paul and the Lodestar of Liberty
American Thinker ^ | January 14, 2008 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 01/14/2008 8:04:27 PM PST by forkinsocket

Ron Paul is not a nut. He is honorable and intelligent. I have talked with Congressman Paul about politics and policies. He is consistent and principled. Much of what he says is true. The Constitution is routinely ignored by politicians of both political parties. Government spending, particularly entitlements, is wildly out of control. The crucial constitutional concepts of federalism and limited government are tacitly denied and this denial is the crux of many of our social and political problems.

But Ron Paul holds the vain hope that American government would return to constitutional law anytime soon, even if he did win the presidency. Congress, the judiciary, legal education, and tradition have imparted momentum to the living constitution school of thought. Bring about an actual return to the Constitution requires more than a snap of the president's fingers. Federal courts routinely "interpret" the Constitution in ways directly in conflict with the plain language of the document. At best, a president can only appoint judges the Senate will confirm and wait for natural turnover.

A lot of persuasion is necessary before Americans (including our elites and their institutions) change their way thinking. We in fact still need a crusade to change hearts and minds more than a candidacy.

And if we are going to return to first principles, remember that the Constitution is not the foundational document of our American experiment in individual liberty. It was preceded by the Articles of Confederation. Prior to the Articles of Confederation, which were adopted after independence, the Continental Congress acted as the original government of the United States and successfully waged a war against the great superpower on the planet with very little real authority. The fundamental principles of American government were established long the Constitution was adopted.

What does matter is the Declaration of Independence. The divine endowment of all people with liberty comes directly out of this document of 1776 and it is to this document that serious friends of liberty should look for inspiration and restoration. And what was the Declaration of Independence? It was, in effect, a declaration of war against the British Empire.

It was not an isolationist document but a universalist document. It speaks, pointedly, to the rest of the world. It talks about the reasons that governments are formed (not just our government.) It was bold, sweeping, and international. And it was seen by the rest of the world as just that: A revolutionary document for all peoples, even if it applied specifically only to thirteen embattled colonies in North American.

Ron Paul wants to return us to the Constitution, as if it were a sacred document which granted us freedom. Our spiritual lodestar should be the Declaration of Independence, which remains a much more dangerous, much more powerful, and much more relevant document to our times.

Some policies Paul proposes are admirable. Why do we still have armies in Germany and in Korea, when both are rich, modern industrialized nations? Why does government have to do so much and why does "government" more and more mean centralized government in Washington? Why have a tax code which punishes productivity and which requires contortionist behavior from business?

But other parts of Paul's policies simply do not fit our age. The notion that we should disengage from the Middle East, for example, suggests that Israel is "just another nation," like, say, North Korea or Syria. The foundation of the Jewish state was based upon the undeniable facts of history continuing, dreadfully, through the Holocaust, that Jews are not "just another people," but are rather a persecuted people who were not welcome when escaping Nazified Europe. Ignoring that is ignoring salient history.

Likewise, the stark contrast between Israel and its neighbors (except, until the last three decades, the successful state of Lebanon) cannot be ignored, and the murderous intent of neighbors who seriously read in large numbers Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is also a grim, absolute fact of the modern world. The notion that, on paper, Israel can make peace with these neighbors is not just pure theory, but it is theory which has failed the test of experience.

Paul also seems to doubt that people wish to do America harm because it is America, and that nuclear weapons change everything. Ever since H.G. Wells first used the term "atomic bomb" in his science fiction stories more than a century ago, it has become almost inevitable that true, horrific global war power was inevitable. Happily, America acquired fission weapons and then fusion weapons first. Happily also, America has had leaders willing to use that power to protect our nation and allies who would otherwise be unprotected.

And, as we learned from the Japanese in the Second World War and from radical Moslems today, the calculus of economic benefits and political rights which works very well in moderating and balancing the behavior of most people, simply does not work with everyone. Does anyone doubt that the Japanese would have used the atomic bomb on American cities or that radical Moslems will use thermonuclear bombs on America, if they can, even if it means massive casualties in our retaliation?

Liberty can no longer stand safely behind two vast oceans and decent men can no longer ignore their human brethren after Hitler, Stalin and Mao. As Lincoln today might have said "This world cannot long endure half slave and half free." This was also perhaps the greatest victory of the greatest conservative leader of our age: Ronald Reagan. Congressman Paul might recall the Gipper's Cold War strategy: "How about this: We win; they lose?"

Ronald Reagan, like Abraham Lincoln, understood the supra-constitutional importance of liberty in the fulfillment of America, and liberty to them meant more than just the liberty of American citizens. If the ideal which is America is to survive the totalitarian impulse which we see not only in North Korea and the Taliban, but among the Leftists in our own nation, then we need to recapture the fortitude of Washington, the vision of Lincoln and the clarity of Reagan. If we can do this and preserve the vestiges of the Constitution, fine.

But the vision of America is much more than the Constitution. It is much more than Congressman Paul sees. What Ron Paul proposes is not bad or dishonest. It is simply no longer enough for liberty and decency to survive in America or in the world.


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To: RussP
Yet Ron Paul is going come charging in on a white horse and abolish SS completely? Oh, and he’s going to eliminate all welfare and entitlements too while he’s at it. Yeah, right. You must be smoking something pretty strong if you think he can get elected on that platform, and you must be clinically brain dead if you think he can accomplish those feats.

Why don't you actually read his proposals?

He has stated that there will be a transition phrase,where young people would be able to opt out of the SS system, while those who have been promised the support will receive it from the savings of some 1trillion dollars we would make by cutting U.S. bases overseas.

Ending SS and the IRS would put a dagger into the heart of the welfare system and end the New Deal.

Ofcourse, neocons have no concern about ending the New Deal and are only concerned about continuing the warfare-welfare state until the United States goes bankrupt.

51 posted on 01/14/2008 10:42:33 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: rlmorel
Gee. Nobody understands the Constitution but Ron Paul and his followers. Every single discussion with these people begins with some kind of fevered pitch about not caring or not understanding the Constitution.

I don't hear any of the other candidates discussing it!

52 posted on 01/14/2008 10:44:32 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
So you think we should leave Afghanistan and hope for the best. You think we should leave Iraq, and hope for the best. Leave SE Asia And watch curiously as China takes over. Disengage our burgeoning military relationship with India. Leave Australia to the wind. There are too many more to note in one response. You want to abandon all US allies. The consequences of one’s actions are what logical people tend to think about.

Yes, I think we should let those regions handle their own problems.

So now India needs us as well?

Who is threatening Australia?

You left out Iceland!

We must never abandon Iceland!

53 posted on 01/14/2008 10:46:52 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
He voted for military intervention outside of our national borders which he now condemns. The term flip flop works for me.

The anti-terrorist war has become nation building, that is why he regrets his vote for action in Afganstian.

Ofcourse, you guys just figure that we can garrison the world for the next 100 years, like we have for the past 60.

54 posted on 01/14/2008 10:49:52 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration

We had numerous emissaries during the Revolutionary War. This strict internal shove your head up your a$$ interpretation that Ron Paul supports is bogus before it even begins.


55 posted on 01/14/2008 10:51:02 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: fortheDeclaration

Who’s side are you on?


56 posted on 01/14/2008 10:52:04 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: fortheDeclaration

It sure as hell is not mine.


57 posted on 01/14/2008 10:52:33 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: Names Ash Housewares
First, if Iran attempted to invade Israel, they would be crushed.

They couldn't even defeat Iraq!

Second, why shouldn't 9/11 be investigated to see where the government failed?

There were calls for an investigation of Pearl Harbor right after it occured as well.

58 posted on 01/14/2008 10:53:29 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
Lets just hope that China & Russia never threaten us. If Ron Paul gets his way, they will.

No single nation can conquer us, but we can destroy ourselves by spending ourselves into bankruptsy.

How about a anti-missile defense system?

I haven't heard anthing like that being developed for U.S. protection.

59 posted on 01/14/2008 10:56:23 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
Lets just hope that China & Russia never threaten us. If Ron Paul gets his way, they will.

No single nation can conquer us, but we can destroy ourselves by spending ourselves into bankruptcy.

How about a anti-missile defense system?

I haven't heard anything like that being developed for U.S. protection.

60 posted on 01/14/2008 10:57:03 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration
How about a anti-missile defense system? I haven't heard anthing like that being developed for U.S. protection.

I should hope that you haven't heard about it. They've been overtly testing it and all. These past years. Damn dude...
61 posted on 01/14/2008 10:59:33 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: tpanther
Just playing along with the delusion, how long would that be the case if the U.S. irresponsibly took their ball and went home do ya think?

If China wants to retake Formosa there is nothing the U.S. could do short of getting into a full scale war with her.

62 posted on 01/14/2008 11:02:03 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Nice try but no cigar. The man has a serious disconnect with reality in several places.

Sorry.

Pulling ALL our troops out from the entire world?

Iran has no army??

And he entertains 9-11 conspiracy whacks?. Bzzzzzzzt Your time is up.

63 posted on 01/14/2008 11:02:11 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: kinoxi
Nice blinders you’ve got there .Unicorns and fuzzy things await in the wake of US withdrawal.

Yes, the world will end if the U.S. pulls back and lets the regions handle their own problems.

Ofcourse, if we don't, the United States will destroy itself by going bankrupt.

64 posted on 01/14/2008 11:04:38 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration

The world will not end. The ‘pax americana’ will.


65 posted on 01/14/2008 11:06:32 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
We had numerous emissaries during the Revolutionary War. This strict internal shove your head up your a$$ interpretation that Ron Paul supports is bogus before it even begins.

We would ofcourse continue diplomatic relations with all nations that chose to have them.

You anti-Ron Paul zealots sure love straw men don't you!

66 posted on 01/14/2008 11:07:02 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
Who’s side are you on?

I am on the side of America, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Which side are you on?

67 posted on 01/14/2008 11:08:27 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
It sure as hell is not mine.

Yes, it looks like you are against the Declaration and the Constitution.

68 posted on 01/14/2008 11:09:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Ben Franklin the Ron Paul straw man. I’m sure you don’t speak for all RP supporters as they have no sane coherent option. The contradictions are generally dead on arrival to sane minds. I’d really like some of those blinders you all have there...


69 posted on 01/14/2008 11:13:42 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: fortheDeclaration

Exactly so. The good thing is China knows this also. Has since...well Formosa’s been Formosa!

Which means the good people of Formosa get to go along living their lives on an Island that’s NOT right up there at the top of the worst human rights abuses list...

along with South Korea, Japan, Phillipines...etc. etc. etc.


70 posted on 01/14/2008 11:14:32 PM PST by tpanther
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To: kinoxi

“If Ron Paul gets his way, they will.”

You mean threaten us like they did when China said they would nuke us a few years ago during Bushes term? or when China took out one of our spy planes and gave Bush an early schooling in ‘diplomacy’. Or when China offered to give us the right half of the Pacific ocean after surfacing a sub in the middle of our Naval Exercise? Or when Russia basically is rebuilding it’s entire military, is rich in oil, threatened us with routine and has visited and backed Iran against us. Remember when Bush indicated that Putin was threatening WW3? Or when NK started launching missiles over Japan? or when Saudi Arabia takes over our banks with China because their economic warfare against us is working? How bout when russia, chinese and the saudis gives our enemies weapons, money, intel as well as men to fight against us in the hot spots.

I’m just curious where what foreign events regarding those two countries you’ve been watching?


71 posted on 01/14/2008 11:14:37 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: fortheDeclaration
Yes i am anti US interests. The Paulbots got me...
I am exposed....
Ohh the shame....
72 posted on 01/14/2008 11:15:13 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: CJ Wolf
Typical of of a Paulestinian you state numerous ...

I'll answer your question if you have one. I know you do. Diversionary tacticts and all...
73 posted on 01/14/2008 11:18:41 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: fortheDeclaration

Good


74 posted on 01/14/2008 11:19:12 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Ofcourse, if we don’t, the United States will destroy itself by going bankrupt.

Nope, that was the USSR when Reagan built cruise missiles and the soviets collapsed.


75 posted on 01/14/2008 11:19:31 PM PST by tpanther
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To: kinoxi
[How about a anti-missile defense system? I haven't heard anthing like that being developed for U.S. protection.]

I should hope that you haven't heard about it. They've been overtly testing it and all. These past years. Damn dude...

Oh, I know they have been testing it, but I haven't seen alot of action in actually getting one in place.

Dude.

76 posted on 01/14/2008 11:20:54 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi

bizarro eh?

and how about:

Second, why shouldn’t 9/11 be investigated to see where the government failed?

what was that...oh yeah the 9-11 commission...that’s the ticket!!!!!!

We need one of THOSE!

Right after we get all these crack houses legalized and quit this stoopid war on drugs! LOL


77 posted on 01/14/2008 11:24:00 PM PST by tpanther
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Nice try but no cigar. The man has a serious disconnect with reality in several places. Sorry. Pulling ALL our troops out from the entire world? Iran has no army?? And he entertains 9-11 conspiracy whacks?. Bzzzzzzzt Your time is up.

Iran has no army that can defeat Israel.

Pulling out our troops of the other nations of the world and bring them back to the United States.

He doesn't entertain 9-11 conspiracy theory and has stated that very clearly.

So, like all anti-Ron Paul zealots you are wrong three out of three times.

But Anti-RP zealots are never really worried about the truth, only in spreading falsehoods and half-truths.

But you are always clever in your use of sound effects.

78 posted on 01/14/2008 11:24:52 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration
They dont need to with our forces in place. Go jerk off on DU I’m sure they have some really disturbing hellen thomas pics tonight.
79 posted on 01/14/2008 11:25:42 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: fortheDeclaration
I agree cut/eliminate social welfare spending but you keep taking about military spending bankrupting us - do you know how little we spend for military spending versus the gdp? Our military budget is very small compared to other budget items and foreign aide even smaller still.
80 posted on 01/14/2008 11:27:21 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: kinoxi

You basically said that if Ron Paul was elected Russia and China would threaten us, did you not? That’s why I included your quote, so you would know what I was talking about. I’m wondering what your focus has been on the past 15 years?

Russia and China have been continuously threatening us. You act like it would be something new, something that Ron Paul would foster. They actively support our enemies, frankly they are our enemies. Yet we pass dumb ass like MFN for China (Thanks to Fred Thompson/McCain and other for that) and give smart bombs to Saudis and at the same time our wonderful government can’t help but infringe on most of the bill of rights. You need to get a clue before this country is turned into a bankrupt Nannystan.


81 posted on 01/14/2008 11:28:08 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: kinoxi
The world will not end. The ‘pax americana’ will.

You call this 'pax americana'?

The United States is not an empire and it cannot bring peace to the world, it is a Republic and its role is to protect its citizens and their freedoms.

82 posted on 01/14/2008 11:28:34 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
Ben Franklin the Ron Paul straw man. I’m sure you don’t speak for all RP supporters as they have no sane coherent option. The contradictions are generally dead on arrival to sane minds. I’d really like some of those blinders you all have there...

No blinders, just advocating a return to common sense and our founding principles.

Anyone who thinks that the United States can continue to spend the way it does is the one out of touch with reality.

83 posted on 01/14/2008 11:30:33 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Paul has sealed his own fate.

He won’t be the nominee anymore then Hunter will. It is just not political reality.

Both should endorse Thompson.

His true test if he truly cares about America, is if he tries to run as an independant and helps put a Clinton in the White House like another guy with initals R.P. did.


84 posted on 01/14/2008 11:34:10 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: BlackElk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1953844/posts


85 posted on 01/14/2008 11:37:53 PM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: tpanther
Exactly so. The good thing is China knows this also. Has since...well Formosa’s been Formosa! Which means the good people of Formosa get to go along living their lives on an Island that’s NOT right up there at the top of the worst human rights abuses list... along with South Korea, Japan, Phillipines...etc. etc. etc

When and if China wants to retake Formesa, it will do so and we will not be able to stop it.

Moreover, a war against China, short of nuclear in that region would be a disaster for us.

As for South Korea and the Philippines and human rights-come on now, you are kidding right?

The South Koreans think we are the problem and want to reconcile with North.

Who is threatening the Philippines?

They need us to defend them from whom?

Besides it is China that is funding our WOT by buying our bonds.

86 posted on 01/14/2008 11:38:24 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
Yes i am anti US interests. The Paulbots got me... I am exposed.... Ohh the shame....

Confession is good for the soul.

87 posted on 01/14/2008 11:39:42 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The South Koreans think we are the problem and want to reconcile with North.

In what fairytale land are you living?

88 posted on 01/14/2008 11:40:27 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: tpanther
[Ofcourse, if we don’t, the United States will destroy itself by going bankrupt.]

Nope, that was the USSR when Reagan built cruise missiles and the soviets collapsed.

So, the Soviet Union can go bankrupt from overspending, but the United States can't?

I didn't realize that economic laws were suspended for the United States.

89 posted on 01/14/2008 11:41:35 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: svcw

Here is our budget.

* Mandatory spending: $1.527 trillion (+4.2%)
o $608 billion (+4.5%) - Social Security
o $386 billion (+5.2%) - Medicare
o $209 billion (+5.6%) - Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
o $324.0 billion (+1.8%) - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending

* Discretionary spending: $1.114 trillion (+3.1%)
o $481.4 billion (+12.1%) - United States Department of Defense
o $145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
o $69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Health and Human Services
o $56.0 billion (+0.0%) - United States Department of Education
o $39.4 billion (+18.7%) - United States Department of Veterans Affairs
o $35.2 billion (+1.4%) - US Department of Housing and Urban Development
o $35.0 billion (+22.0%) - State and Other International Programs
o $34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
o $24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Energy
o $20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Administration of justice
o $20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
o $17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
o $12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
o $12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of Treasury
o $10.6 billion (+2.9%) - United States Department of the Interior
o $10.6 billion (-9.4%) - United States Department of Labor
o $51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
o $39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending

* Net interest on debt: $261 billion (+9.2%)

The Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are not part of the defense budget; they are appropriations.


90 posted on 01/14/2008 11:42:30 PM PST by CJ Wolf (I see we cut spending in the dept of labor. That's nice.)
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To: tpanther
[Second, why shouldn’t 9/11 be investigated to see where the government failed]

what was that...oh yeah the 9-11 commission...that’s the ticket!!!!!! We need one of THOSE!

So the government doesn't let it happen again!

91 posted on 01/14/2008 11:44:39 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: kinoxi
They dont need to with our forces in place. Go jerk off on DU I’m sure they have some really disturbing hellen thomas pics tonight.

The final appeal of the anti-RP zealots, when their reason and arguments are exposed.

92 posted on 01/14/2008 11:46:03 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: svcw
I agree cut/eliminate social welfare spending but you keep taking about military spending bankrupting us - do you know how little we spend for military spending versus the gdp? Our military budget is very small compared to other budget items and foreign aide even smaller still.

It is small relative to the others, but it is not small per se.

As President, that is an area where he could have some direct control over spending by closing unneeded bases (like we have done in the States) and use that savings to transition us out of the Welfare state.

93 posted on 01/14/2008 11:47:52 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Both should endorse Thompson. His true test if he truly cares about America, is if he tries to run as an independant and helps put a Clinton in the White House like another guy with initals R.P. did.

Now why would you want Ron Paul supporters to vote for Thompson, we are according to you guys, all DU moonbats.

RP is not going to run as 3rd Party candidate, but it is interesting how afraid the GOP is of that, even while belittling his supporters.

94 posted on 01/14/2008 11:50:50 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: CJ Wolf

III. FEDERAL SPENDING

National Defense Spending, 1965-2007 estimate

At 4 percent of GDP, defense spending is one and a half percentage points of GDP below the 45-year historical average and well below Cold War and Vietnam War levels.

The abvoe is a little easier to read.


95 posted on 01/14/2008 11:52:30 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw
[The South Koreans think we are the problem and want to reconcile with North.]

In what fairytale land are you living?

You must not be keeping up on Korean politics.

There is a big movement for reconciliation.

Many of the South Koreans want the U.S. out so they can reconcile with the North.

96 posted on 01/14/2008 11:53:00 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I think all conservatives should be voting for Thompson.
The man has a chance unlike Paul.

Thompson fails, nothing left but varying degrees of RINOs.

Paul is what he is. He makes sense on much, but then he goes of the deep end. And there is a great cost for that... votes.

What can I say?

He is what he is. A libertarian attempting to ride the republican party to the white house. Won’t work.


97 posted on 01/14/2008 11:56:01 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares; Extremely Extreme Extremist
I think all conservatives should be voting for Thompson. The man has a chance unlike Paul. Thompson fails, nothing left but varying degrees of RINOs. Paul is what he is. He makes sense on much, but then he goes of the deep end. And there is a great cost for that... votes. What can I say? He is what he is. A libertarian attempting to ride the republican party to the white house. Won’t work.

Well, the fact is that Ron Paul and his supporters on FR have been ridiculed as being 'moonbats', 'surrender monkeys' and traitors.

Very few of the supporters of the other candidates, including those who supported Fred Thompson, had the decency to deal with the ideas that Paul was running on and argue against them on their own merit.

98 posted on 01/15/2008 1:44:52 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (The power under the Constitution will always be in the people- George Washington)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Names Ash Housewares
Not to give credence to the truthers, but the 9-11 commission to some degree smacked of whitewash of the Xlintons and lovefest for the government and was not really complete enough. C'mon, Sandy Berger was hiding crap in pants, the chairman wrote the policy at the Justice Dept (the "wall") which prevented the assembly of critical information about the in-country conspirators...

Just because they're paranoid doesn't prevent the existence of someone out to cover things up, and the evidence gives some indication of that.

99 posted on 01/15/2008 4:45:34 AM PST by no-s
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* Net interest on debt: $261 billion (+9.2%)

I believe the question was about debt and bankruptcy. The problem with your GDP is that the Government doesn’t own the GDP.


100 posted on 01/15/2008 6:49:04 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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