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Candidates Must Trump Justice Department in DC Gun Case
Townhall ^ | 1-15-08 | Sandy Froman

Posted on 01/15/2008 11:52:32 AM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 01/15/2008 11:52:34 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Bush’s thinking on this is beyond me, and his stance on this issue will not help the GOP in November.

Not at all - It is outright eerie.


2 posted on 01/15/2008 12:02:45 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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I don’t think it will hurt the GOP, the candidates will have to stand on their own. I agree his stance is mystifying, as have been many of his actions.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 12:05:18 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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My point is that the President still has every opportunity to do things to help in 08 and there is no way that this helps any of us.

Staying away, or apart from, the race because of perceived voter displeasure will not help the eventual candidate any more than Clinton’s absence helped Gore.

4 posted on 01/15/2008 12:09:09 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: SJackson

If the so called candidates continue to ignore gun owners,
they will pay the price at voting time.

Fred is the only one courting the gun owners.

Thats why he will win SC.


5 posted on 01/15/2008 12:14:23 PM PST by kennyboy509 (Ha! I kill me!)
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To: SJackson

The silence is
http://www.mydamnchannel.com/channel.aspx?episode=323


6 posted on 01/15/2008 12:16:01 PM PST by Tigen (Illegals=cheap votes for libs=cheap labor for republicans and this can not be refuted!)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
My take on this galling Brief from the DOJ is this: The FedGov, no matter what party is running the show, simply doesn't want to give up one inch of its enormous aggrandizement of power and authority, the Constitution be damned.

After all, to gradually grow in both size and ability is the natural tendency of government, is it not?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

7 posted on 01/15/2008 12:19:12 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: bill1952
My point is that the President still has every opportunity to do things to help in 08 and there is no way that this helps any of us.

You're right, that would be nice, but I don't see that as being on GWB's agenda. Even if he doesn't care, he should have supported the 2nd amendment as a fundamental right on the merits.

8 posted on 01/15/2008 12:21:05 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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Good piece, thanks for posting. This is one of the main reasons I don’t think Huckabee wouldn’t be quite as bad as most freepers make him out to be.


9 posted on 01/15/2008 1:19:46 PM PST by jmc813 (Don't screw this up, vote for Thompson.)
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The Huckster is surprisingly pro-gun. He’s a complete nutter on government socialist spending though. Have you seen his health care stuff? May as well make Hillary Care a GOP plank if we elect him.


10 posted on 01/15/2008 1:30:36 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: bill1952
Also—disturbingly—though OSG affirms that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, it does not call it a “fundamental right”—which is very important for legal reasons—and asks the Court to deny it the level of protection of a fundamental right.

Which is patently absurd on its face. It is specifically mentioned in the Constitution, how can it be anything other than a fundamental right?

11 posted on 01/15/2008 1:37:55 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: kennyboy509

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than Thompson coming in at least 2nd in SC, but I doubt he will make 3rd.


12 posted on 01/15/2008 1:52:00 PM PST by Mister Politics (www.misterpolitics.com)
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“My point is that the President still has every opportunity to do things to help in 08”

You must not have heard about the Real ID Act’s (or as I call it, The Democrat Politician Full Employment Act), partial implementation on May 11.

As of May 11, if your State doesn’t agree to a national driver’s license, you will not be able to get onto an airplane or enter a Federal building without your passport. The resulting fury will guarantee no Republican can get elected to anything.

Put the 2nd Amendment position on top of the Real Id Act and what other interpretation can you get: The President is doing everything he can to get a Democrat elected to every office from President to Dog Catcher.


13 posted on 01/15/2008 1:56:21 PM PST by live+let_live
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To: Joe Brower

The GOP has been blowing smoke with all their talk about smaller, less intrusive government. They are at least as bad as the dims.


14 posted on 01/15/2008 2:31:50 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Joe Brower

“The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.”

Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1788. ME 7:37

Anyone else think we’ve yielded more than enough??


15 posted on 01/15/2008 3:21:32 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: bill1952

He can’t get re-elected so now he doesn’t care what his numbers look like. He has an agenda and he doesn’t care who he tramples to accomplish it. We knew several years ago that his support for the 2nd Amendment was only superficial.

Now we see that he believes that the government can restrict your RKBA rights if it can dream up a good enough reason. And who decides what reason is good enough? Why, the government, of course!


16 posted on 01/15/2008 3:37:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Mister Politics
Nothing would give me greater pleasure than Thompson coming in at least 2nd in SC, but I doubt he will make 3rd.

If Fred publicly calls on the President to withdraw this brief, then he'll score big points with voters. As an attorney, he can explain well why this brief is actually very anti-2nd Amendment.

Further, it is possible that it'll actually get done - I'm not sure that this was even on Bush's radar. It sounds suspiciously like some career gov't lawyer's way of screwing individual rights in a fait accompli. Bush might decide to withdraw the brief if he knows about it, comes under pressure from Republican candidates, and if the NRA actually emails its members and asks them to melt the White House phone lines. Of course, I'm not holding my breath - Bush isn't exactly a friend of the 2nd.

17 posted on 01/15/2008 3:47:44 PM PST by Ancesthntr (I’ve joined the Frederation.)
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To: SJackson

The candidates should speak out as if this were a modern-day Brown v BOE or Plessy v Ferguson.

The position taken by the Justice Department is that repulsive.


18 posted on 01/15/2008 5:25:16 PM PST by Abundy
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To: SJackson
Also—disturbingly—though OSG affirms that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, it does not call it a “fundamental right”—which is very important for legal reasons—and asks the Court to deny it the level of protection of a fundamental right.

Yep, fundamental rights generally get "incorporated" against state government infringement via the "due process" clause of the 14th amendment. Which is utter rubbish, the 14th's Privileges and Immunities Clause already did that for all of the rights protected against federal infringement by the Constitution, including the first 8 (or 9) amendments.

19 posted on 01/15/2008 5:26:23 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Dick Bachert
Anyone else think we’ve yielded more than enough??

I'll bet even Claire thinks it's just about time.

20 posted on 01/15/2008 5:29:27 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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