Skip to comments.San Francisco police reviewing tiger victims' cell phones, car
Posted on 01/16/2008 12:35:55 PM PST by repinwi
San Francisco police today began their review of the cell phones and car belonging to the survivors of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo, officials said.
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A San Francisco Superior Court judge granted a search warrant allowing police to examine the cell phones and car on Tuesday.
For police and city officials to get the warrant, they needed to show probable cause of felony wrongdoing, a city official said.
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Watch out for your dog/cat/fish/bird as they all have “instincts.” Like many zoo experts have said, most animals born in captivity don’t want to get out or like changes to their environment.
The votes are in, we're all waiting for your concession speech.
Good Kitty, Good Kitty....
Why not save the scoffing until we know what happened?
What names are you talking about?
Quite true, Hacklehead.
I’m thinking there will be enough blame to go around on all sides when the dust settles. You know, I used to go to that tiger enclosure often when my son was a toddler because his favorite thing to do was go to the S.F. Zoo. I have to say, I never once thought the tigers could jump from the “island” over the fence, but I’m not Jack Hanna.
Still, I find it very, very surprising that the zoo would not have cameras placed in or near an enclosure where an admittedly dangerous animal was out in the “open.” I am also surprised that since the zoo was officially “closed” that the animals had not been or were not in the process of being brought in, especially considering how dark it is that time of year.
One thing I find puzzling is that I have yet to hear the brothers describe how it is the tiger approached them. Have they stated that she leaped out of her enclosure or that she approached them from the behind the enclosure, where the access doors are. Has this ever been made plain?
“What kind of person evades Christmas with the family and instead gets drunk and goes to the zoo?’
Those people could be [professing] “Christians” even with their particular surname. Maybe their family observes Christmas at another time. Russians celebrate it in January. Maybe the family was gathering later in the day. Probably thousands of people around the country are drunk on Christmas day, even some who will tell you that they are Christians.
The zoo is open on December 25th, which is . . . just December 25th. That it was Christmas is irrelevant, unless it means, in this case, that there was a smaller security staff on duty.
Tigers are tigers. They were built to hunt prey, even on December 25th! The tiger was just doing what it was built to do, what walls and fences were built to prevent, and that for which rules were made for zoo visitors.
I think it’s just a little silly to talk about whether these people “DESERVED” what they got from the tiger. If someone didn’t notice the “DON’T WALK” signal and so was run over by an 18 wheeler and killed, we don’t say that that person “deserved” that. We say that that is what happens when a large vehicle going 50 mph hits a 180 pound human being, regardless of the moral intent of the smashee.
If those young men taunted a Siberian Tiger, and that tiger was able to scale the wall and get to them, it matters not what anyone thinks they deserve, they are subject to wrath of a wild animal. It’s really just a 2+2=4 situation. It doesn’t matter how you “feel” about number 2
I’m not sure. Here, we have volunteers and staff all over the place. I don’t know about cameras.
Question 6 :Do you really think the tiger just suddenly decided, with no provocation whatsoever, to break out of it's enclosure and kill someone?
Beware the barn cat!
I guess the brothers haven’t been that specific yet—the last I heard their lawyer claimed they were “only dancing and singing and laughing” in front of the tiger grotto.
Because then my entertainment would be lessened somewhat, and we can't have that.
As someone who suffers from cat attacks on a daily basis, I still have no sympathy for the young ruffians.
What scoffing, all you have here is a bunch of knuckle dragging animal rights wacko's with a bunch of, if, and, are maybes, mean while the taps that have been released make the zoo and 911 operators look and sound like a goon squad.
Of course! They were doing dinner theater for Tatiana!
Check out repinwi's FR homepage. If those "cute little kitties" weighed 200 pounds, and were hungry, she'd be Purina'd.
The naivete of some people is incredible.
Let’s see..a SF judge JUST allowed a search...this happened WEEKS ago...plenty of time to destroy evidence.
Yes I do,in fact!
My mamma cat (Russian Blue) was born domestic and a better hunter when let outside you could not find (as the rat, squirrel, and bird population in my area could tell you).
She was the most gentle cat you could ever see (unless you were a bird, rat, or squirrel).
Cats come by this stuff naturally (at least most of them). My big 22 pound Maine Coon, on the other hand doesn’t get the hunter spirit.
Still got marks from the cute kitty I tried to tame 10 years ago.
I see kitty likes to “play”
I really believe if those “little tigers” started growing, we would be in big trouble:’)
These fellows, as alleged in some cases and speculated in others, climbed the 6’ perimeter fence. This, as I understand it, is a chain link fence that surrounds a grassy area which in turn leads to the dirt wall which should have been 20’ per zoo standards but was only 12’. Below this wall is the tiger pit. The tiger roams around this area and is unprotected from drunken youths shooting at it with slingshots.
They did find one of their shoes on this grass berm where they HADN’T SHOULDN’TA OUGHTA been. In fact, the dead guy died within the fence perimeters but I could be mistaken.
It is believed they were drunk and thought it would be a hoot to fling rocks or something via slingshot at the tiger in the pit below and unable to avoid their aerial assault.
Here’s the thing....they can’t prove anything unless they get access to their cars and cell phones. It has been reported that there was all manner of beer bottles in their car but I doubt they’ll find anything now unless officials have held on to their car. Otherwise one would think they’d clean it out. The cell phone info might be helpful.
Lookit, this trio was a bunch of hoodlums who tormented this beast and yeah, they broke the law, assuming climbing that fence is against the law. One of them died, score one for the tiger.
With the help of the fine Mark Geragos, attorney to Michael Jackson, they’ve shut up to the point where they won’t even tell their dead friend’s family what happened.
Why? First, they’re going to sue the bejeesus out of that zoo. Of course Mark Geragos can be on the case just from the purity of his heart depending on how naive you are.
As for the zoo, we’ve got a zoo director pulling in $300K a year, like everything else in San Francisco, people get paid big bucks for not doing their job. It was Christmas day, coverage was lax.
Do these boys really DESERVE to win millions of bucks?
THIS is why there’s all this movement to obtain this information.
Common sense would dictate that the zoo was badly run and that zoo director should be fired. Common sense would dictate that a bunch of drunken youths climb in a tiger compound and shoot rocks at a vulnerable tiger...they take a chance.
Common sense would dictate that these fine fellows do not deserve to get rich off of their stupidity.
Ditto. I can't figure any other reason, it's all about the money. Well, maybe a bit of an attempt at face saving but mostly about the money.
Or maybe they're wanting to charge them with felony tiger taunting.
The cameras and car have been in police custody since the incident. They just couldn’t look at the contents until the warrant was issued. The brothers did plan to come in and pick them up but the police got a temporary order to allow them to keep them until the S.F. warrant hearing.
My guess is that the tormentors climbed the fence and were leaning over the moat wall to get a better shot at the tiger.
The tiger makes a quick leap and grabs one of the attackers. In effect using him as a rope.
Remember early on the cops said there was concrete under the cats rear claws.
“And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?”
Too bad a good tiger had to die because of these three idiots.
Sorry - no compassion for morons.
The taunting would have been a misdemeanor, but that led to a death, because it motivated and caused the tiger to do something she never did before, which was to exit the pit. The charge would be reckless homicide and carries a 2-6 year penalty in CA.
You obviously never met my daughter-in-law's family.
LOL.....this is why I love FR........
Maybe this is where this scuttlebutt came from regarding a car full of beer bottles. I wondered how anyone would know this but if they have the car in custody...
This is a very intriguing case and I hope you’re right, that authorities held on to that car.
And don’t forget the dead tiger. What did that tiger do but defend itself?
The biggest sham of all would be for these drunken louts to win a bunch of money off of this thing.
I’d settle for a plea bargain that kept them out of jail but prohibited any lawsuits on benefit from their bad behavior.
As for the zoo...no camers were working? The wall was the wrong size? Nobody was on duty?
Someone needs to look closely at how that place was run.
Of course Mark Geragos is already working on it. Last week there was released, in England, a personal account by one of these fine boys about what it was like to be attacked by a tiger. Geragos has to make these boys seem like innocents if he’s to realize any return on his time.
Mark Geragos, the reason people despise lawyers.
I didn’t read that bit about the concerete but your “rope” theory has been widely speculated.
Never take a slingshot to a tiger fight..........
Heck, I despise Geragos and I’m a legal assistant!
I believe they found an empty vodka bottle in the car - I haven’t read anything about beer bottles, but then again who know. I believe the “slingshot” rumor was unfounded, however.
But I’m thinking the police aren’t going to tell all they know, which they aren’t obligated to do in an ongoing investigation. I certainly wouldn’t. I wouldn’t give these two time to make their stories match the facts they keep reading. I am especially suspicious since they have not provided any information about how the tiger got out.
Thanks...I feel better.
Yes, in the future anyone dumb enough to go to a zoo will wear a gag, and kids will not be allowed. No yelling, here tiger. Poor old tony! LOL
What does any of this have to do with the zoo not properely enclosing the tiger?
And yet, the guy's dead.
Cosmic justice is more profound than the man-made attempt.
Why do you want to tell lies like that? The cops said there was no slingshots.
How long would it take for the kids to destroy by accident all their cell phones?
I read about people wanting their cell phones the day after this.
I would think their cell phones are either wiped and cleaned or gone IMO.
If they are going to do it, don’t advertise all over the press about it.
Now if the cell phones have remained in police custody and they have also access to recorded messages and text messages, that would be a whole other issue. :-)
Think of it as evolution in action.
I keep seeing references to the fence being a few feet, four feet too short.
I sit here thinking, the wild cat, strong tiger that she was, in a fit of rage, or hunger or whatever, crosses a moat, then climbs or runs up the fence, shinnies (?) up the fence, gets over and hunts the perps or prey down. So, this Tiger, this wild animal of the agile cat family can do all that, but if the fence was a mere 48 inches taller, it somehow would have guarenteed that she could not clear it?
I would not bet my life on that.