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San Francisco police reviewing tiger victims' cell phones, car
Mercury News ^ | 1/16/2008 | Leslie Griffy

Posted on 01/16/2008 12:35:55 PM PST by repinwi

San Francisco police today began their review of the cell phones and car belonging to the survivors of a Christmas Day tiger attack at the San Francisco Zoo, officials said.

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A San Francisco Superior Court judge granted a search warrant allowing police to examine the cell phones and car on Tuesday.

For police and city officials to get the warrant, they needed to show probable cause of felony wrongdoing, a city official said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: animalsarepeopletoo; idiots; sanfrancisco; tiger; zoo
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Losers....


51 posted on 01/16/2008 1:54:29 PM PST by cowdog77 (I'm a Christian first, conservative second, and Republican third.)
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To: raptor29

Watch out for your dog/cat/fish/bird as they all have “instincts.” Like many zoo experts have said, most animals born in captivity don’t want to get out or like changes to their environment.


52 posted on 01/16/2008 1:55:25 PM PST by repinwi
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To: calex59
Four: Do you really think that someone deserves to be chewed and killed by a tiger for merely teasing it somewhat?

Hell, yes!

The votes are in, we're all waiting for your concession speech.

53 posted on 01/16/2008 1:56:10 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: repinwi

Good Kitty, Good Kitty....


54 posted on 01/16/2008 1:56:46 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: org.whodat

Why not save the scoffing until we know what happened?


55 posted on 01/16/2008 1:58:20 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Albion Wilde

What names are you talking about?


56 posted on 01/16/2008 1:59:28 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Hacklehead

Quite true, Hacklehead.


57 posted on 01/16/2008 2:00:52 PM PST by raptor29
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To: CindyDawg

I’m thinking there will be enough blame to go around on all sides when the dust settles. You know, I used to go to that tiger enclosure often when my son was a toddler because his favorite thing to do was go to the S.F. Zoo. I have to say, I never once thought the tigers could jump from the “island” over the fence, but I’m not Jack Hanna.

Still, I find it very, very surprising that the zoo would not have cameras placed in or near an enclosure where an admittedly dangerous animal was out in the “open.” I am also surprised that since the zoo was officially “closed” that the animals had not been or were not in the process of being brought in, especially considering how dark it is that time of year.

One thing I find puzzling is that I have yet to hear the brothers describe how it is the tiger approached them. Have they stated that she leaped out of her enclosure or that she approached them from the behind the enclosure, where the access doors are. Has this ever been made plain?


58 posted on 01/16/2008 2:17:55 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: Albion Wilde

“What kind of person evades Christmas with the family and instead gets drunk and goes to the zoo?’


“Uhhh, judging by their names, non-Christians who don’t celebrate Christmas?”

I’m a Christian who doesn’t give a rip about Christmas as a holiday. There is no instruction in the Scriptures for the New Testament Christian to observe any holiday at all. Holidays may be part of Christendom, but they have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. And I can’t get my mail on Christmas day! Mail is important to me.

Those people could be [professing] “Christians” even with their particular surname. Maybe their family observes Christmas at another time. Russians celebrate it in January. Maybe the family was gathering later in the day. Probably thousands of people around the country are drunk on Christmas day, even some who will tell you that they are Christians.

The zoo is open on December 25th, which is . . . just December 25th. That it was Christmas is irrelevant, unless it means, in this case, that there was a smaller security staff on duty.

Tigers are tigers. They were built to hunt prey, even on December 25th! The tiger was just doing what it was built to do, what walls and fences were built to prevent, and that for which rules were made for zoo visitors.

I think it’s just a little silly to talk about whether these people “DESERVED” what they got from the tiger. If someone didn’t notice the “DON’T WALK” signal and so was run over by an 18 wheeler and killed, we don’t say that that person “deserved” that. We say that that is what happens when a large vehicle going 50 mph hits a 180 pound human being, regardless of the moral intent of the smashee.

If those young men taunted a Siberian Tiger, and that tiger was able to scale the wall and get to them, it matters not what anyone thinks they deserve, they are subject to wrath of a wild animal. It’s really just a 2+2=4 situation. It doesn’t matter how you “feel” about number 2


59 posted on 01/16/2008 2:19:14 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Cobra64

LOL


60 posted on 01/16/2008 2:20:32 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I’m not sure. Here, we have volunteers and staff all over the place. I don’t know about cameras.


61 posted on 01/16/2008 2:27:05 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: calex59
Four: Do you really think that someone deserves to be chewed and killed by a tiger for merely teasing it somewhat?

Absolutely!

Question 6 :Do you really think the tiger just suddenly decided, with no provocation whatsoever, to break out of it's enclosure and kill someone?

62 posted on 01/16/2008 2:38:08 PM PST by Wil H
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To: repinwi
"...just watch out for your dog/cat as it just may turn on you because it's ancestors were born wild..."

Photobucket

Beware the barn cat!

63 posted on 01/16/2008 2:38:39 PM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: Right Cal Gal

I guess the brothers haven’t been that specific yet—the last I heard their lawyer claimed they were “only dancing and singing and laughing” in front of the tiger grotto.

Right.


64 posted on 01/16/2008 2:46:24 PM PST by olivia3boys
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To: CindyDawg
"...Why not save the scoffing until we know what happened?.."

Because then my entertainment would be lessened somewhat, and we can't have that.

As someone who suffers from cat attacks on a daily basis, I still have no sympathy for the young ruffians.

PhotobucketNote the tucked-back ears, denoting anger and hostility, and the profuse eye-boogers. Still haven't solved that problem.

65 posted on 01/16/2008 2:47:38 PM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: CindyDawg
Why not save the scoffing until we know what happened?

What scoffing, all you have here is a bunch of knuckle dragging animal rights wacko's with a bunch of, if, and, are maybes, mean while the taps that have been released make the zoo and 911 operators look and sound like a goon squad.

66 posted on 01/16/2008 2:54:40 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: olivia3boys

Of course! They were doing dinner theater for Tatiana!


67 posted on 01/16/2008 2:56:11 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: raptor29; repinwi
Yeah, and without instincts as a result? Gimme a break.

Check out repinwi's FR homepage. If those "cute little kitties" weighed 200 pounds, and were hungry, she'd be Purina'd.

The naivete of some people is incredible.

68 posted on 01/16/2008 3:22:44 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: repinwi

Let’s see..a SF judge JUST allowed a search...this happened WEEKS ago...plenty of time to destroy evidence.


69 posted on 01/16/2008 3:29:25 PM PST by Moby Grape
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To: calex59
Four: Do you really think that someone deserves to be chewed and killed by a tiger for merely teasing it somewhat?

Yes I do,in fact!

70 posted on 01/16/2008 3:30:56 PM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or useable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: raptor29

My mamma cat (Russian Blue) was born domestic and a better hunter when let outside you could not find (as the rat, squirrel, and bird population in my area could tell you).

She was the most gentle cat you could ever see (unless you were a bird, rat, or squirrel).

Cats come by this stuff naturally (at least most of them). My big 22 pound Maine Coon, on the other hand doesn’t get the hunter spirit.


71 posted on 01/16/2008 3:38:41 PM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or useable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Still got marks from the cute kitty I tried to tame 10 years ago.


72 posted on 01/16/2008 3:41:39 PM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or useable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

I see kitty likes to “play”


73 posted on 01/16/2008 3:42:41 PM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or useable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

I really believe if those “little tigers” started growing, we would be in big trouble:’)


74 posted on 01/16/2008 3:46:23 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: calex59

These fellows, as alleged in some cases and speculated in others, climbed the 6’ perimeter fence. This, as I understand it, is a chain link fence that surrounds a grassy area which in turn leads to the dirt wall which should have been 20’ per zoo standards but was only 12’. Below this wall is the tiger pit. The tiger roams around this area and is unprotected from drunken youths shooting at it with slingshots.

They did find one of their shoes on this grass berm where they HADN’T SHOULDN’TA OUGHTA been. In fact, the dead guy died within the fence perimeters but I could be mistaken.

It is believed they were drunk and thought it would be a hoot to fling rocks or something via slingshot at the tiger in the pit below and unable to avoid their aerial assault.

Here’s the thing....they can’t prove anything unless they get access to their cars and cell phones. It has been reported that there was all manner of beer bottles in their car but I doubt they’ll find anything now unless officials have held on to their car. Otherwise one would think they’d clean it out. The cell phone info might be helpful.

Lookit, this trio was a bunch of hoodlums who tormented this beast and yeah, they broke the law, assuming climbing that fence is against the law. One of them died, score one for the tiger.

With the help of the fine Mark Geragos, attorney to Michael Jackson, they’ve shut up to the point where they won’t even tell their dead friend’s family what happened.

Why? First, they’re going to sue the bejeesus out of that zoo. Of course Mark Geragos can be on the case just from the purity of his heart depending on how naive you are.

As for the zoo, we’ve got a zoo director pulling in $300K a year, like everything else in San Francisco, people get paid big bucks for not doing their job. It was Christmas day, coverage was lax.

Do these boys really DESERVE to win millions of bucks?

THIS is why there’s all this movement to obtain this information.

Common sense would dictate that the zoo was badly run and that zoo director should be fired. Common sense would dictate that a bunch of drunken youths climb in a tiger compound and shoot rocks at a vulnerable tiger...they take a chance.

Common sense would dictate that these fine fellows do not deserve to get rich off of their stupidity.


75 posted on 01/16/2008 3:57:39 PM PST by Fishtalk (If you liked the above post, remember I've got a Blog you might like to visit.)
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To: org.whodat
"reduce the amount of the pay out"

Ditto. I can't figure any other reason, it's all about the money. Well, maybe a bit of an attempt at face saving but mostly about the money.

Or maybe they're wanting to charge them with felony tiger taunting.

76 posted on 01/16/2008 3:59:07 PM PST by Proud_texan (Stop global whining)
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To: Impeach the Boy

The cameras and car have been in police custody since the incident. They just couldn’t look at the contents until the warrant was issued. The brothers did plan to come in and pick them up but the police got a temporary order to allow them to keep them until the S.F. warrant hearing.


77 posted on 01/16/2008 4:03:44 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: CindyDawg

My guess is that the tormentors climbed the fence and were leaning over the moat wall to get a better shot at the tiger.
The tiger makes a quick leap and grabs one of the attackers. In effect using him as a rope.
Remember early on the cops said there was concrete under the cats rear claws.

“And what shoulder and what art
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand and what dread feet?”


78 posted on 01/16/2008 4:09:35 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (Life is Good!)
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To: repinwi

Too bad a good tiger had to die because of these three idiots.

Sorry - no compassion for morons.


79 posted on 01/16/2008 4:10:03 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Proud_texan
"Or maybe they're wanting to charge them with felony tiger taunting."

The taunting would have been a misdemeanor, but that led to a death, because it motivated and caused the tiger to do something she never did before, which was to exit the pit. The charge would be reckless homicide and carries a 2-6 year penalty in CA.

80 posted on 01/16/2008 4:10:42 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: John Jorsett

LOL!


81 posted on 01/16/2008 4:15:21 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: sticker
“What kind of person evades Christmas with the family and instead gets drunk and goes to the zoo?”

You obviously never met my daughter-in-law's family.

LOL.....this is why I love FR........

:}

82 posted on 01/16/2008 4:18:35 PM PST by AwesomePossum
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To: Right Cal Gal

Maybe this is where this scuttlebutt came from regarding a car full of beer bottles. I wondered how anyone would know this but if they have the car in custody...

This is a very intriguing case and I hope you’re right, that authorities held on to that car.

And don’t forget the dead tiger. What did that tiger do but defend itself?

The biggest sham of all would be for these drunken louts to win a bunch of money off of this thing.

I’d settle for a plea bargain that kept them out of jail but prohibited any lawsuits on benefit from their bad behavior.

As for the zoo...no camers were working? The wall was the wrong size? Nobody was on duty?

Someone needs to look closely at how that place was run.

Of course Mark Geragos is already working on it. Last week there was released, in England, a personal account by one of these fine boys about what it was like to be attacked by a tiger. Geragos has to make these boys seem like innocents if he’s to realize any return on his time.

Mark Geragos, the reason people despise lawyers.


83 posted on 01/16/2008 4:19:32 PM PST by Fishtalk (If you liked the above post, remember I've got a Blog you might like to visit.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I didn’t read that bit about the concerete but your “rope” theory has been widely speculated.


84 posted on 01/16/2008 4:20:56 PM PST by Fishtalk (If you liked the above post, remember I've got a Blog you might like to visit.)
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To: repinwi

Never take a slingshot to a tiger fight..........


85 posted on 01/16/2008 4:29:39 PM PST by AwesomePossum
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To: Fishtalk

Heck, I despise Geragos and I’m a legal assistant!
I believe they found an empty vodka bottle in the car - I haven’t read anything about beer bottles, but then again who know. I believe the “slingshot” rumor was unfounded, however.

But I’m thinking the police aren’t going to tell all they know, which they aren’t obligated to do in an ongoing investigation. I certainly wouldn’t. I wouldn’t give these two time to make their stories match the facts they keep reading. I am especially suspicious since they have not provided any information about how the tiger got out.


86 posted on 01/16/2008 4:31:31 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: Right Cal Gal

Thanks...I feel better.


87 posted on 01/16/2008 4:51:55 PM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Proud_texan
Or maybe they're wanting to charge them with felony tiger taunting.

Yes, in the future anyone dumb enough to go to a zoo will wear a gag, and kids will not be allowed. No yelling, here tiger. Poor old tony! LOL

88 posted on 01/16/2008 7:20:43 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: repinwi

What does any of this have to do with the zoo not properely enclosing the tiger?


89 posted on 01/16/2008 7:28:19 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: metmom; TigersEye
I think a zoo is a place to go admire & observe animals. Not taunt them or roar, hiss or caw at them. I also think the zoo should have guards moving people out if it was closing time. There should have been cameras on all the animals, not just the tigers to prevent taunting or morons climbing walls etc. That is common sense to me. I do think these guys knew better to taunt animals & I think they did something to the tiger. What I dont know. I think both parties are at fault. After hearing more animals recently got out of cages I believe this zoo ought to shut down until it can be made safe for it’s animals & the visitors. I know if 3 idiots were taunting me & I were a tiger in a zoo & was taunted I would like to get out & make the score even if I could. IMO if you taunt an animal you should realize it may be able to get you. I also think idiots who do taunting need to be bounced from the zoo. This story stinks, & I wonder if the truth will ever come out.
90 posted on 01/16/2008 7:32:11 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: calex59
Four: Do you really think that someone deserves to be chewed and killed by a tiger for merely teasing it somewhat?

And yet, the guy's dead.

Cosmic justice is more profound than the man-made attempt.

91 posted on 01/16/2008 7:49:09 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: calex59
Sorry, but it's not up the 'gubmmint' officials to stop this kind of teasing, if that's what went on. We don't know yet, but if it is found that the dimwits were teasing a powerful, aggressive wild animal, they have nobody to blame but themselves, and they are responsible for the consequences.
92 posted on 01/16/2008 8:02:44 PM PST by ArmyTeach (always vigilant)
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To: John Jorsett

LOL


93 posted on 01/16/2008 8:03:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Crusty is as Crusty does.)
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To: AwesomePossum
Never take a slingshot to a tiger fight..........

Why do you want to tell lies like that? The cops said there was no slingshots.

94 posted on 01/16/2008 8:04:02 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: calex59
Why are you not calling the zoo officials assclowns for having a fence 4 feet lower than recommended for containing tigers?Because it's the job of the 'officials' to maintain reasonable security, not protect against every irresponsible juvy idiot out for a night of wilding. Actions have consequences. This is a axiomatic in a free, stable society.
95 posted on 01/16/2008 8:15:36 PM PST by ArmyTeach (always vigilant)
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To: repinwi

How long would it take for the kids to destroy by accident all their cell phones?

I read about people wanting their cell phones the day after this.
I would think their cell phones are either wiped and cleaned or gone IMO.

If they are going to do it, don’t advertise all over the press about it.


96 posted on 01/16/2008 8:17:27 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: repinwi

Now if the cell phones have remained in police custody and they have also access to recorded messages and text messages, that would be a whole other issue. :-)


97 posted on 01/16/2008 8:18:30 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Mark Geragos?


98 posted on 01/16/2008 8:19:46 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: calex59
Do you really think that someone deserves to be chewed and killed by a tiger for merely teasing it somewhat?

Think of it as evolution in action.

99 posted on 01/16/2008 8:20:44 PM PST by weaponeer
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To: calex59
Why are you not calling the zoo officials assclowns for having a fence 4 feet lower than reccomended for containing tigers?

I keep seeing references to the fence being a few feet, four feet too short.

I sit here thinking, the wild cat, strong tiger that she was, in a fit of rage, or hunger or whatever, crosses a moat, then climbs or runs up the fence, shinnies (?) up the fence, gets over and hunts the perps or prey down. So, this Tiger, this wild animal of the agile cat family can do all that, but if the fence was a mere 48 inches taller, it somehow would have guarenteed that she could not clear it?

I would not bet my life on that.

100 posted on 01/16/2008 8:26:46 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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