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corner.nationalreview.com ^ | 01/17 07:17 PM | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/17/2008 4:47:16 PM PST by Checkers

A Fred staffer from one of the primary states he's lost already writes in to dispute my view that the Thompson campaign lacks an overriding theme and a memorable slogan. This is the view from his state:

"Here are some other things missing from the campaign:

1) a finance chair

2) a clear chain of command

3) top-down loyalty

4) a candidate who was willing to campaign for more than 4 hours at day

5) direct mail

6) a college student coordinator

7) a media strategy

Other than that, the campaign had everything."

In New Hampshire, I know of two town chairs for the Fred campaign who wound up voting for other candidates.

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1 posted on 01/17/2008 4:47:17 PM PST by Checkers
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To: WOSG; unspun

ping


2 posted on 01/17/2008 4:48:01 PM PST by Checkers (John McCain is Bob Dole minus the character, humor, class, record, loyalty, mental fitness..)
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To: Checkers
If the state in question is New Hampshire -- as it appears to be -- then it's not a surprise.

New Hampshire was never on Fred's radar. He spent no money there; nor did he organize there.

3 posted on 01/17/2008 4:50:44 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Checkers

Are people really influenced by direct mail and phone calls???


4 posted on 01/17/2008 4:52:40 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Checkers

Could be a good time to buy Thompson on Intrade. All sellers right now.


5 posted on 01/17/2008 4:52:53 PM PST by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: Checkers

Let’s hope he is a lot better organized in SC.


6 posted on 01/17/2008 4:53:09 PM PST by penowa
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To: okie01
In New Hampshire, I know of two town chairs for the Fred campaign who wound up voting for other candidates.

When they say no "top down loyalty" he means Fred abandoned his supporters in New Hampshire

7 posted on 01/17/2008 4:53:11 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: Soliton

That’s my understanding, too.


8 posted on 01/17/2008 4:56:19 PM PST by Checkers (John McCain is Bob Dole minus the character, humor, class, record, loyalty, mental fitness...)
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To: ejonesie22

ping


9 posted on 01/17/2008 4:57:29 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Checkers

I have not seen one commercial for Fred in florida.....we are already voting here.....this is a shame.


10 posted on 01/17/2008 4:57:41 PM PST by Fawn (FRED 2008)
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To: Checkers

Marc Steyn lives in New Hampshire. It sounds as if this is indeed someone from New Hampshire speaking.

I don’t know if there was miscommunication, or what. Fred couldn’t afford to campaign there, the way things were going, he had to focus on other states. Possibly there were other intentions earlier.

In any case, I don’t think anonymous comments by a disgruntled former supporter are that significant.


11 posted on 01/17/2008 4:58:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Soliton

Some supporters. Sounds like they needed someone to hold their soft little hands.


12 posted on 01/17/2008 4:59:29 PM PST by Jedidah (Thompson, the only common sense candidate in the race.)
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To: Checkers

This coming from a magazine that endorsed Romney. No surprise there.


13 posted on 01/17/2008 4:59:46 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: Always Right
Are people really influenced by direct mail and phone calls???

Well, considering that a large number of people have already been influenced into deciding who they are going to vote for based on what a daytime gossip TV show host said, I would have to say YES.

14 posted on 01/17/2008 5:00:27 PM PST by frankiep (Democrats base their ideology on the premise that you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.)
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To: Khepri

Do you believe Mark Steyn is lying?


15 posted on 01/17/2008 5:03:01 PM PST by Checkers (John McCain is Bob Dole minus the character, humor, class, record, loyalty, mental fitness...)
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To: Jedidah
Some supporters. Sounds like they needed someone to hold their soft little hands

Try to imagine volunteering to support a candidate, donating money, organizing supporters, and raising signatures to get him/her on the ballot, only to be left behind for strategic reasons. We did that to the Battlin' B**tards of Bataan in WWII.

16 posted on 01/17/2008 5:04:58 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: Soliton
Fred's supporters in New Hampshire doubtless felt abandoned by his strategic decision to concentrate on South Carolina.

Given limited means, though, it's hard to argue with the decision.

17 posted on 01/17/2008 5:05:08 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Checkers

They weren’t that badly organized here in Iowa. Way more than Huck was.


18 posted on 01/17/2008 5:05:11 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy.)
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To: Soliton; Checkers

You can find somebody saying that every time a campaign loses. They’re the sort that used to haunt government offices expecting a cushy job for making a couple of stump speeches back before Garfield was assassinated.


19 posted on 01/17/2008 5:12:20 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Checkers

DId I say he was lying?


20 posted on 01/17/2008 5:12:33 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: Checkers
Do you believe Mark Steyn is lying?

Either Mark Steyn is lying or woefully ignorant.

Anybody willing to spend more than 5 minutes on the internet would not make a false claim like he does not campaign more than 4 hours a day.

Simply looking at his scheduled campaign events disproves that canard.
21 posted on 01/17/2008 5:13:06 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Fawn

Why do you single out Fred for that “honor”?...

Rudy is the *only* one running commercials...


22 posted on 01/17/2008 5:14:10 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: SoConPubbie; Checkers
May I? Steyn is almost certaiinly telling the truth, but he may be...

1. Quoting a guy who is lying.

2. Quoting a guy who is telling the truth, and is talking about Fred's limited visits to NH when he talks about four hours.

But one thing's clear: Fred isn't lazy. He's working hard. I still believe he can win or get 2nd in SC, because the polls in Michigan were off by nine points.

23 posted on 01/17/2008 5:17:04 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Khepri; Fawn
Is it just me or does it seem like every candidate is so cash-strapped they're doing things one state at a time? It looks to me like everybody is planning to be in until Super Duper Tuesday.

That's the real winnowing day. After that we'll probably be down to two.

24 posted on 01/17/2008 5:20:06 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: okie01
Given limited means, though, it's hard to argue with the decision.

It was his only option

25 posted on 01/17/2008 5:21:19 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: All

I remember seeing one of the NH voters say when interviewed that he would not vote for one of the candidates because their campaign had not called them as many times as the others.

That is truely pathetic and shows that at least that particular voter did not care about the issues, but how much attention a candidate gives them.

Looks like the same goes for the campaign workers.


26 posted on 01/17/2008 5:39:32 PM PST by aj7360
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To: Khepri

No.

That’s why I asked the question.


27 posted on 01/17/2008 5:41:02 PM PST by Checkers (John McCain is Bob Dole minus the character, humor, class, record, loyalty, mental fitness...)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Either Mark Steyn is lying or woefully ignorant.”

I think you’ll find most Freepers will disagree with your assessment.


28 posted on 01/17/2008 5:44:16 PM PST by Checkers (John McCain is Bob Dole minus the character, humor, class, record, loyalty, mental fitness...)
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To: SoConPubbie

Mark didn’t say that, the person who WROTE him said that. Unless you believe Mark is making up the e-mail, you should be faulting the Thompson campaign guy who sent the e-mail, not Mark.


29 posted on 01/17/2008 5:48:36 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Khepri
Rudy is the *only* one running commercials...

I'm seeing Rudy commercials here in Iowa, which seems really strange, since we already voted. Hardly saw any for him before the caucuses.

30 posted on 01/17/2008 5:49:53 PM PST by xjcsa (Thompson/Romney 2008)
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To: SE Mom

LOL

SBSDD...


31 posted on 01/17/2008 5:55:50 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Hillary isn’t cash strapped—— with over $50 million in her campaign account... she can afford to swing from coast to coast if she wants (and don’t be surprised if she starts blitzing hard to keep Obama in “his place”....


32 posted on 01/17/2008 5:59:02 PM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Jedidah

That was my thought. “Supporters”, by its very definition, means that you are “for” a candidate and willing to do what is necessary to help them win, whether they can/will campaign in your state or not. These folks seem to be “fair weather friends”, at the very best. There’s zero loyalty.

Their “soft little hands” must be almost as soft as their heads!


33 posted on 01/17/2008 5:59:37 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: TheBattman

I was only talking about just the GOP candidates, actually. Hillary and Obama being the only credible candidates on the Dem side means there’s a lot more money to go around over there.


34 posted on 01/17/2008 6:19:29 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I think you’re probably right about that...the money that is out there is being split so many ways all the campaigns are having issues...


35 posted on 01/17/2008 6:24:57 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: xjcsa

That’s *really* weird....what’s that all about?

When he says unconventional he means unconventional...lol


36 posted on 01/17/2008 6:26:52 PM PST by Khepri (Fred Thompson, he's a hundred miles away son - READY TO STRIKE!)
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To: Checkers

What “My guy” did in the past is irrelevant or a lie. What he says today is what counts. What “Your guy” did wrong is still relevant and cannot be forgiven. “My guy” is a ‘true’ conservative no matter what you say about how he governed or voted or whatever. “Your guy” is a fake conservative who is just saying what he needs to to win the election.


37 posted on 01/17/2008 6:27:11 PM PST by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: Soliton

Only to be “left behind?”

What are you talking about?

The New Hampshire primary took place as planned. Volunteering, donating, organizing, campaigning, etc. is what we do when we support a candidate. That candidate does not have to be standing by my side in order for me to work to get him elected. It’s a matter of principle, not personal pride.

I’ll work for Fred when things gear up for the primary in my state, and I don’t expect to get to see him or hear him.

In my book, those New Hampshire so-called “supporters” are political pansies.


38 posted on 01/17/2008 7:29:50 PM PST by Jedidah (Thompson, the only common sense candidate in the race.)
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To: Jedidah
I’ll work for Fred when things gear up for the primary in my state, and I don’t expect to get to see him or hear him.

If your not in SC you won't get the chance. Fred will be in the Bahamas by Monday

39 posted on 01/17/2008 7:59:47 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: Khepri
I think you’re probably right about that...the money that is out there is being split so many ways all the campaigns are having issues...

It's being split AND there isn't that much of it. When we get down to a couple of candidates, the money will flow.

40 posted on 01/17/2008 8:04:01 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: Soliton

lol


41 posted on 01/17/2008 8:09:37 PM PST by Checkers (John McCain is Bob Dole minus the character, humor, class, record, loyalty, mental fitness...)
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To: Soliton

If he’s lucky.

Can’t imagine why anyone would want that job.


42 posted on 01/17/2008 8:34:42 PM PST by Jedidah (Thompson, the only common sense candidate in the race.)
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To: Checkers
This is all getting a bit tiring. The only thing people can criticize Fred about is the way he runs his campaign? Let's see...he's a solid economic, social and national security conservative. He's been successful as a prosecutor, private practice attorney, and U.S. Senator, raising himself up from nothing. He's been endorsed by National Right To Life. He's never supported open borders like McCain, proven himself to be a nanny-stater like Mr. Haney, been back-and-forth on every issue under the sun like Mitt, or been an admitted social liberal like Guiliani.

But we should vote against him becuase we disagree with the way he ran his campaign? This is people parroting MSM talking points, plain and simple.

Good luck with that.

GO FRED!!

Hank

43 posted on 01/17/2008 8:36:10 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball ("Huckabee is the bastard child of Lou Dobbs and Pat Robertson." - Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Jedidah

You gotta think that Fred’s tired of all this stuff. Grab his pretty wife and head for a beach somewhere.


44 posted on 01/17/2008 8:37:45 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: Checkers

45 posted on 01/17/2008 8:48:49 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Soliton

I agree.

Fred is over.

It’s done.

Wonder where we go from here?

I can tell u one thing.....this forum is gonna be one big catfight with Fred gone


46 posted on 01/17/2008 9:15:50 PM PST by wardaddy (This election will seal America Nueva as our fate..........this is it......)
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To: wardaddy
I can tell u one thing.....this forum is gonna be one big catfight with Fred gone

The Fredheads have been loyal soldiers. Some, I suppose, will spend their time doing opposition research for the Democrats against the remaining candidates. Some will find new candidates to support, and some will lose interest in the primaries all together like I lost interest in the NFL playoffs when my Steelers lost. Fred might have had a better chance if his supporters had just been a little more considerate of others

47 posted on 01/17/2008 9:22:42 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: Soliton

Fred and his campaign blew what might have been a cakewalk

leading overall before he entered the race

then 2 poor debates and one skipped entirely

and a lackadaiscal media plunge

and too many “uhs”

I mean he is a great man for the job but this campaign has been a case study on defeat from the jaws of victory

the last debate was the only shining moment

now he’s 4th place where he once led bigtime and has campaigned hard

it’s over

if he had surged after the last debate he might have made it but not now in just 36 hours

and believe me....it will get ugly here...it’ll be like Schiavo and Rudigate again...

just wait


48 posted on 01/17/2008 9:28:01 PM PST by wardaddy (This election will seal America Nueva as our fate..........this is it......)
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To: wardaddy

I expected Fred to be articulate and likeable like Reagan. He comes off like the crypt keeper. He makes the same mistakes that the Clintons do; getting angry in public. Fred jumped down Hannity’s throat on Fox. People LOVE Hannity. In the end, I just don’t think people liked HIM regardless of his conservatism.


49 posted on 01/17/2008 9:35:33 PM PST by Soliton (Dr. Soliton suggests Ciallis for HDS. It 's no cure, but it will distract you for 36 hours.)
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To: Jedidah
I have not been called by one single candidate (since I have no regular phone, only a cell) but quite frankly would not want someone calling me. It makes me think we should take away the vote from women and those without an adequate IQ.
50 posted on 01/17/2008 9:46:44 PM PST by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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