Posted on 01/17/2008 7:31:22 PM PST by excalibur21
A group of Muslims from the Islamic Society of Tulsa interrupted our service on September 11 at our church demanding a debate within 30 days,” Safa said in a press release. “They were furious because in a local newspaper I declared that Muslims could not be friends with Christians.
“I agreed to a debate and although I gave them a date in October, they were not able to keep their pledge. Now after four months we have reached an agreement for a date.
“The Islamic Society of Tulsa claims strongly that they are a peaceful organization, yet the person that they have invited, all the way from Canada, to debate me is Dr. Jamal Badawi, a member of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Fiqh Council.”
(Excerpt) Read more at tulsabeacon.com ...
They (ISNA) will either back out again or it will be the typical Islamic screaming match.
Can you imagine the violence that would ensue if Christians tried to interrupt a Muzzie mosque service?
The Muslims of Tulsa have already shown that they are on the side of evil.
Tulsa Pastor Reza Safa, is a converted Muslim. You sir are a brave soul. I’ll be praying for you. I would not hesitate to have a metal detector installed for the debate, and a police presence should be part of the welcoming committee.
Advice to Christian attendees: Take guns.
Isn’t Tulsa a hotbed of Islamic extremists? It seems like an odd place for that, but it’s probably because a lot of Arabs came to the U of Oklahoma to take courses in oil geology and the like.
I believe that guy who tried to blow up the football stadium with a homemade suicide bomb—and then the whole story was swept under the rug by the UO president and the FBI—attended a mosque in Tulsa and was radicalized there.
Oh, sorry, that was Norman. Duh.
3.28: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
4.144: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves
(Surah 5:51)“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.”
Wow. I'll join you in sending up prayers for such a brave man.
Scariest thing I've read all day. Tulsa? Holy Shiite, Houston, do we ever have a problem.
I hope the Homeland Security keystone cops have a few people there. I pray that some blogger, non PC, honest, American person also has infiltrated so they can correct the PC Islam is peace crap that will come out of the FBI stooges there. God Damn President Bush.... he and his Islam is Peace BS. The man had a chance to stand up in front of God and everybody and tell it like it is. Instead he chose the whored out route. F!!ck him for that.
To find the people that hate america in your neighborhood check IslamicFinder.
Pastor Safa better bring lots of bodyguards, kevlar and an IED sniffing dog with him. Better yet, call in a SWAT team.
I hope he will be packing.
“Can you imagine the violence that would ensue if Christians tried to interrupt a Muzzie mosque service?”
Perhaps they ought to. What does it matter if the Muslim response is a violent one? Let’s see how far they dare to push without the protection of the ACLU.
What is Islam based on?
Mohammed went into “trances” and fits (like epileptic fits) when he was given the “word of God” and would shout out what he was told. These would be written down by his followers. This is the makeup of the Koran.
When Mohammed was just walking and talking and acting like “normal”, his words and deeds were written down by his followers and this went into the Hadith. Now, acting “normal” for Mohammed was taking 12+ wives (including a 6 year old when he was 51), taking slaves (including sex slaves), executing infidels, conducting raids for treasure, etc.
Now, this is where it gets complicated.
A large part of the words he spoke in trances were “taken back” by Mohammed. He determined them to be the work of the devil (thus they are called the “Satanic Verses” and these are the same verses that Mr. Salman Rushdie got in trouble for writing about).
Now, how Mohammed determined which verses were from God and which were from Satan I do not know.
Also, there were literally dozens of widely different versions of the Hadith floating around right after Mohammends death and there are large amounts of Hadith that are disputed. Now, even Mohammed could not remember what he was told by God and forgot it (those are his words as written in the Hadith) so I do not know how the powers in charge decided which was the correct version.
Also according to the Hadith, Mohammed turned people into monkeys, you can determine a child’s sex depending on whether the male or female has an orgasm first (that advice came directly from the Angel Gabriel), dogs are evil and should be killed, that the devil lives in your nose at night (and how to get rid of him in the morning), chess is forbidden, muslims have one intestine while infidels have seven, don’t pray looking up or your eyes will be snatched away, that one wing of a fly is poison but the other is the cure, that drinking camel urine is good for you and I could go on.
And that Mohammed himself didn’t even know if he was going to heaven. If even Mohammed doesn’t know, what chance does the average muslim have?
And for some non-PC info, Mohammed was described as a white man.
Now, if you can bear it, to compare to the Gospels of New Testament.
Jesus was born into a poor Jewish family in an area of the world under the occupation of the Roman Empire. He would grow up to be a carpenter for the majority of his life, living quietly and humbly in Nazareth. However, for the last three years of his life he would travel throughout Palestine teaching, healing, and challenging the conventional Jewish order. Jesus was killed for basically saying he was a King and Son of God (blasphemy) by the powers in charge (Roman and Jewish). The government wanted Jesus destroyed and wanted his growing movement destroyed (as it threatened their power). If, after 3 days, the followers of Jesus proclaimed he has risen from the dead, (just as he predicted), and is truly our Savior, the High Officials would have wanted to destroy such a “myth.” They could have easily done this by producing the dead body of Jesus and saying “Your Messiah is still dead and so is your movement” or producing many eye witnesses of the dead Jesus. But they couldn’t.
So fundamentally, without education, without an army, and without money, this Jesus of Nazareth would forever change the course of human history.
The letters that make up the core of the New Testament were written by the eye witnesses of the events of Jesus or by their associates. They were written in just one generation when many other eye witnesses were still alive. They were written without collusion from other Apostles. Even if any of the Apostles wanted to “add” to the “myth” of Jesus, they would have done so in a very disjointed and easily detectable fashion. Yet, the main Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) that describe the life of Jesus are amazingly in harmony with one another and the small differences are consistent with what we would see today if four people witnessed a major event and wrote about the event apart from each other. The Gospels can be traced back to their sources and are basically unchanged from their originals.
The Bible (especially the New Testament) is the most investigated historical document in the history of the world. It has been investigated by scientists, philosophers and archeologists using technology undreamed of when the Bible was written. It is been desperately tried to be “disproved” for over 2000 years, yet, the Bible still stands as the truth.
The stories of Jesus still make sense to us today. It may be because they are true, it may be because they are based in love or it may be because they were written to tell the people of the Word of God.
Regards,
2banana
PS - There are many topics that could be compared - The stories of a adulterous woman is found in both the Bible and Koran. They seem to sum up each religion.
Christianity
But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” (John 8:1-11)
Islam
There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Gamid and said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me.’ He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: ‘Allah’s messenger, why do you turn me away? ... By Allah I have become pregnant.’ He said ‘Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth.’ When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag, and said ‘Here is the child whom I have given birth to.’ He said ‘Go away and suckle him until you wean him.’ When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said ‘Allah’s Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food.’ He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. (Sahih Muslim 4206)
Jesus
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
“Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions. (Mark 12:28-34)
Mohammed
Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next in goodness? He replied, “To participate in Jihad in Allah’s Cause.” The questioner again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To perform Hajj Mubrur.”
“Believers! - wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous; and know that God is with those who fear him.” (Koran 9:124)
“The man had a chance to stand up in front of God and everybody and tell it like it is.”
Attendance to prayer breakfasts not a Christian make.
The ACLU will still have their back, but they’ll push the good people of Oklahoma too much at some point.
One of my relations married an Iranian in Houston, more than 20 years ago. As far as I can tell, he’s just a decent guy who wanted to get out of Iran.
They don’t need all that... just Psalm 83. Fast and pray beforehand... all set. Trust in the Lord and the power of his might. He has been prepared for this moment, ditch pride and let the holy spirit roll.
That’s good for the holy... as for me:
Feel free to pass the hat to send me a ticket... i’ll take care of it. I have no problem throwing folks a beating in the church before outside... because the Lord’s house will not be disrespected, he knows me, he made me. As for martyrdom, gotta go sometime; If it’s jail, I can work on the muslims inside... it’s all gravy, no down side for a Christian.
Time to call the crusade.
I’ll fix them, i’ll email this to Hagee and Donahue. (kidding).
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